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Re: Milwaukee convention report

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tony,

Could it be they just left their vests at home because they thought it was too hot in Milwaukee?

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

Anthony Thompson wrote:

An amazing observation was made at the Milwaukee NMRA convention last week. Only a single individual wearing the traditional "vest" with a patch collection was spotted. Either the fun poked at vesties has caused them to retire those garments, or maybe the older crowd which favored them has passed on. But the days when masses of NMRA members were synonymous with vest wearing appear to have passed.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Milwaukee convention report

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

An amazing observation was made at the Milwaukee NMRA convention last week. Only a single individual wearing the traditional "vest" with a patch collection was spotted. Either the fun poked at vesties has caused them to retire those garments, or maybe the older crowd which favored them has passed on. But the days when masses of NMRA members were synonymous with vest wearing appear to have passed.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Hercules Powder tankcar et al.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Some of the other cars are also painted as liquid chlorine cars, whioch was also not shipped in big 105's, AFAIK.
The only one that seemed plausible, but I have no proof of this application, is the (Barrett?) anhydrous car, which product was shipped in big pressurized tanks.
You're right, Elden, as tank cars are just like covered hoppers: they are sized to conform to the density of their intended cargo, for any particular truck capacity (50 tons, 70 tons, etc.). But chlorine was usually shipped in 10,500 gallon cars, only 5 percent smaller than the 11,000-gallon LPG cars, and hardly a glaring difference. Anhydrous ammonia was shipped in several large sizes of tank cars, including 11,000 gallons.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Adventures in modeling EJ&E boxcar models

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Bill!

The EJ&E seems to have had several schemes following the initial (1) orange
lettering on green car body "map" scheme, that they may have applied to the
USRA rebuilds, but were certainly featured on 10' IH and 10'6" IH cars, that
include:

(2) Orange over green "map plus "around" logo" Billboard scheme;

(3) Orange over green ""logo" Billboard scheme;

(4) Modified orange over green "logo" Billboard scheme;

(5) All green with orange lettering Billboard scheme;

(6) All orange with green lettering Billboard scheme.

I do not know all the nuances, but am nonetheless amazed no one (resin or
plastic manufacturer) has taken up the call on these well-within-steam-era
(1952+) box cars....

Elden Gatwood

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Except for their lack of opacity they were fine. My memory is the offending
decals were the orange ones that went over the green areas. The green decals
that went over the orange areas may have been okay. The model is packed away
and I do not remember if it was the map scheme or not. The top half of the
sides was orange and the lower portion was dark green.

Bill Welch

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Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Bill;

Exactly what scheme did you do your box car in, and how accurate did
you find the Walthers decals? Acceptable?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood


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Subject: [STMFC] Adventures in modeling EJ&E boxcar models



Influenced as I remember by an article in one of the two books of
compilations of their freight cars articles that RMJ published about
1990 (or was that MR'ing), that discussed the postwar steel cars with
improved Dreadnaught ends and 10' IH, I lowered the height of a C&BT
six-inches by sawing the roof off and reattaching it, reinforcing the
carbody with styrene before I started cutting. Much to my surprize I
was able to keep everything straight and even. After discarding
everything else except the underframe and maybe the trucks, and adding
finer body details (using some of the C&BT detail part to plug the
holes in the body) and AB brakes, I painted it in the green & orange scheme
planning to use the correct Walthers decals.

This was where the model became a challenge. The decals were not
opaque enough! I put in a quick order directly to Walthers for two or
three more sets, which just happened to be in stock. Then I carefully
applied at least two more layers of decals to achieve the proper look.
I explained in a note to Walthers what I was doing and the person
responding to my order said they had had to do the same on another model.

A decade and half later, I had to do the same with some Microscale
decals to create two Clinchfield F-5's and two GP-7's. These are grey
with yellow trim and stenciling. If you are not familiar with the CRR
diesels, their paint scheme included parallel yellow horizontal
stripes which on F-units follow the riveted batten strips. All I can say is
thank goodness for "Opti-Visor.
The success with the boxcar gave me confidence that it would work with
the diesels.

Bill Welch


Re: Adventures in modeling EJ&E boxcar models

Bill Welch
 

Except for their lack of opacity they were fine. My memory is the offending decals were the orange ones that went over the green areas. The green decals that went over the orange areas may have been okay. The model is packed away and I do not remember if it was the map scheme or not. The top half of the sides was orange and the lower portion was dark green.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Bill;

Exactly what scheme did you do your box car in, and how accurate did you find
the Walthers decals? Acceptable?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood


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lnbill
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:18 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Adventures in modeling EJ&E boxcar models



Influenced as I remember by an article in one of the two books of
compilations of their freight cars articles that RMJ published about 1990 (or
was that MR'ing), that discussed the postwar steel cars with improved
Dreadnaught ends and 10' IH, I lowered the height of a C&BT six-inches by
sawing the roof off and reattaching it, reinforcing the carbody with styrene
before I started cutting. Much to my surprize I was able to keep everything
straight and even. After discarding everything else except the underframe and
maybe the trucks, and adding finer body details (using some of the C&BT
detail part to plug the holes in the body) and AB brakes, I painted it in the
green & orange scheme planning to use the correct Walthers decals.

This was where the model became a challenge. The decals were not opaque
enough! I put in a quick order directly to Walthers for two or three more
sets, which just happened to be in stock. Then I carefully applied at least
two more layers of decals to achieve the proper look. I explained in a note
to Walthers what I was doing and the person responding to my order said they
had had to do the same on another model.

A decade and half later, I had to do the same with some Microscale decals to
create two Clinchfield F-5's and two GP-7's. These are grey with yellow trim
and stenciling. If you are not familiar with the CRR diesels, their paint
scheme included parallel yellow horizontal stripes which on F-units follow
the riveted batten strips. All I can say is thank goodness for "Opti-Visor.
The success with the boxcar gave me confidence that it would work with the
diesels.

Bill Welch


Re: Erie 97322 and ACTX 549

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks to all who responded to my questions. All were answered and more. This is great group.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Hercules Powder tankcar et al.

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

I had done some research on Hercules Powder and predecessors some time
ago,
and had only been able to find out info that they made industrial
solvents
and resins, most or all of which was shipped in either 103's or
104's. I am
unaware of any pressurized tanks they had painted, or products that
would
have required same.

Some of the other cars are also painted as liquid chlorine cars,
whioch was
also not shipped in big 105's, AFAIK.

The only one that seemed plausible, but I have no proof of this
application,
is the (Barrett?) anhydrous car, which product was shipped in big
pressurized
tanks.
Elden,
From the Bob's Photo collection is a photo of GATX 75794 leased to
Hercules Powder Company. taken in El Centro, California on Jan. 1,
1955. The car was built by General American 9-54 and has lettering
"Anhydrous Ammonia Only." It's an ICC-105A300W and appears to be 11,000
gal. capacity. The car is lettered in similar fashion to the UTLX model
94995 Atlas has on their web site except the Hercules graphic is below
the hand railing.

Regarding the Atlas new offerings, three models represent cars
11,000-gallon ICC-105A cars built by ACF in the early 1950s and might
be considered "reasonably close" depending on such details as the
number of steel sheets used to construct the jacket, brake arrangement
variations, incorrect type of running boards (should be Apex), etc.

BMX 10111, series 10101-10125, lot 3640, built 1952. I don't have a
photo from this series to compare to the model.
FOKX 986, series 986-995, lot 3915, built 6-52. There were 10
additional cars BAOX 976-985. Prototype cars had 7-section jackets vs.
6 on the model.
RTCX 5310, series 5301-5310, lot 3952, built 12-52. There were 50
additional cars in the lot, RTCX 5251-5300 lettered for Texas Natural
Gasoline Corp. Prototype cars had 6-section jackets like the model.
UTLX 94614 for lease to Anchorgas. I cannot confirm this car. They were
not built by AC&F.
UTLX 94995 for lease to Hercules Powder Co. I cannot confirm this car.
They were not built by AC&F.
SACX 1109, series 990-1119, lot 3764, built 6-52. Prototype cars were
10,500 gal. for chlorine, not 11,000 as represented by the model.
SPX 8816, series 8776-8825, lot 4062, built 4-53. Prototype cars were
10,500 gal. for chlorine, not 11,000 as represented by the model.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Hercules Powder tankcar et al.

ken_olson54022 <kwolson@...>
 

Hercules bought out an outfit called the Papermaker's Chemical Company (or something similiar) sometime in the 30's, so some chemicals used in paper making, such as caustic soda and bleaches, might also be possibilities.

Ken Olson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

I had done some research on Hercules Powder and predecessors some time ago,
and had only been able to find out info that they made industrial solvents
and resins, most or all of which was shipped in either 103's or 104's. I am
unaware of any pressurized tanks they had painted, or products that would
have required same.

Some of the other cars are also painted as liquid chlorine cars, whioch was
also not shipped in big 105's, AFAIK.

The only one that seemed plausible, but I have no proof of this application,
is the (Barrett?) anhydrous car, which product was shipped in big pressurized
tanks.

Elden Gatwood

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richtownsend@...
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:03 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Hercules Powder tankcar et al.




Seeing Mr. Glow's decals for an orange tankcar, and the Atlas scheme for
Hercules Powder got me off my duff to ask a question about a tankcar I
recently bought. It is lettered for Hercules Powder but has an orange tank
(bottom sheet black). It's an older model of an older tankcar with the safety
valve coming off the side of the dome. Did Hercules have an orange scheme
like this? Or did I just buy a model that will look nice in the display case?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon



Re: More questions on GN Boxcar underframe painting and finishing

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

All;

I am still having trouble visualizing the circumstance under which one would
use raw or treated wood on a box car floor that would not have then been
painted by overspray or on purpose. OK, individual boards are sometimes
replaced when caved in or such, but an entire floor? Can anyone think of a
situation?

The reason being; there are detailed instructions in my collection of
instruction and correspondence, on how to install a floor, and they include
no pre-painting of the entire car before the floor goes in, but
pre-application of car cement or other between wood parts and frame, prior to
painting, in much of the RR directions I have, followed by painting of the
car, both in rebuilds and as-new. I am confused as to the circumstances...

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

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O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:51 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: More questions on GN Boxcar underframe painting and
finishing




Hey, it's a new car! :-)

I made the floor using a Sunshine mini-kit which he only made for a short
time. It consisted of pre-sized pieces of scribed Evergreen (painted) to
finish off the interiors of box cars. I laminated two pieces (I think it was
.020) to make the bottom of the floor and the interior floor, and the car is
modeled with one open door (with a torn grain door) and an intact grain door
(kraft paper) as well as an interior.

Of course the whole underframe is bogus because this is an Athearn 40' box
car. Nowadays if I want to do the floorboards, I paint the underbody a wood
color, then mask, and paint the steel parts. That's how Jack Spencer does
his. Then you weather it and wonder why you bothered in the first place! :-)

If you're modeling a box car only a year or less old, it makes sense to model
the natural wood color because they didn't get too filthy the first year. But
masking is painfully slow with all those stringers getting in the way.

Tim O'Connor

Nice work on the wood, but the underside is wayyyyyyy too clean. Those plain
bearings threw off a lot of gunk.
Steve Lucas.
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/images/modeling/models/oconnor/dssa17
065floor.jpg


Re: Adventures in modeling EJ&E boxcar models

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

Exactly what scheme did you do your box car in, and how accurate did you find
the Walthers decals? Acceptable?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood

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lnbill
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:18 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Adventures in modeling EJ&E boxcar models



Influenced as I remember by an article in one of the two books of
compilations of their freight cars articles that RMJ published about 1990 (or
was that MR'ing), that discussed the postwar steel cars with improved
Dreadnaught ends and 10' IH, I lowered the height of a C&BT six-inches by
sawing the roof off and reattaching it, reinforcing the carbody with styrene
before I started cutting. Much to my surprize I was able to keep everything
straight and even. After discarding everything else except the underframe and
maybe the trucks, and adding finer body details (using some of the C&BT
detail part to plug the holes in the body) and AB brakes, I painted it in the
green & orange scheme planning to use the correct Walthers decals.

This was where the model became a challenge. The decals were not opaque
enough! I put in a quick order directly to Walthers for two or three more
sets, which just happened to be in stock. Then I carefully applied at least
two more layers of decals to achieve the proper look. I explained in a note
to Walthers what I was doing and the person responding to my order said they
had had to do the same on another model.

A decade and half later, I had to do the same with some Microscale decals to
create two Clinchfield F-5's and two GP-7's. These are grey with yellow trim
and stenciling. If you are not familiar with the CRR diesels, their paint
scheme included parallel yellow horizontal stripes which on F-units follow
the riveted batten strips. All I can say is thank goodness for "Opti-Visor.
The success with the boxcar gave me confidence that it would work with the
diesels.

Bill Welch


Re: Hercules Powder tankcar et al.

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I had done some research on Hercules Powder and predecessors some time ago,
and had only been able to find out info that they made industrial solvents
and resins, most or all of which was shipped in either 103's or 104's. I am
unaware of any pressurized tanks they had painted, or products that would
have required same.

Some of the other cars are also painted as liquid chlorine cars, whioch was
also not shipped in big 105's, AFAIK.

The only one that seemed plausible, but I have no proof of this application,
is the (Barrett?) anhydrous car, which product was shipped in big pressurized
tanks.

Elden Gatwood

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richtownsend@netscape.net
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:03 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Hercules Powder tankcar et al.




Seeing Mr. Glow's decals for an orange tankcar, and the Atlas scheme for
Hercules Powder got me off my duff to ask a question about a tankcar I
recently bought. It is lettered for Hercules Powder but has an orange tank
(bottom sheet black). It's an older model of an older tankcar with the safety
valve coming off the side of the dome. Did Hercules have an orange scheme
like this? Or did I just buy a model that will look nice in the display case?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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Re: Erie 97322 and ACTX 549

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Richard

According to http://www.nakina.net/other/report/report.html
ACTX was assigned to Acar Manufacturing Corp. from 8/1920 to 7/1923

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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Subject: [STMFC] Erie 97322 and ACTX 549



In 1921 the Colorado & Southern "converted" Erie 97322 to C&S boxcar No. 14690, most likely after a wreck and paying the scrap value. This was a car with a wrong-way door. Can anyone direct me to a photo of an Erie car from the same series?

Also in 1921 the C&S converted "ACTX 549" to a water car. My oldest ORER is from 1952, and it shows no ACTX reporting marks at all. I'm guessing it might be a transposition for ATCX, but I am wonder if any can tell whether there was an ACTX reporting mark in 1921. Also, any information on this tank car?

Thanks.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Erie 97322 and ACTX 549

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Now that I've noted the pre-1921 requirement, I've attached a diagram of the
correct car. It'll go to Richard, and I'll post it to the files section,
which I think will avoid the requirement for the long-suffering moderator(s)
to approve the image, scanned from a 1913 diagram book in my collection.



The file is called: ERIE pre-1921 97000 Series Box Car



SGL



http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie-frt-8-11.gif

Diagram sheet for series 97250-97399 includes the car you're seeking.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie97261b.jpg

Shows you a photo.

SGL

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Subject: [STMFC] Erie 97322 and ACTX 549

In 1921 the Colorado & Southern "converted" Erie 97322 to C&S boxcar No.
14690, most likely after a wreck and paying the scrap value. This was a car
with a wrong-way door. Can anyone direct me to a photo of an Erie car from
the same series?

Also in 1921 the C&S converted "ACTX 549" to a water car. My oldest ORER is
from 1952, and it shows no ACTX reporting marks at all. I'm guessing it
might be a transposition for ATCX, but I am wonder if any can tell whether
there was an ACTX reporting mark in 1921. Also, any information on this tank
car?

Thanks.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon



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Re: Accurail steel reefers

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Brian & Group,

Thanks for your comments and suggestions. I think I will wait and see what is proposed for future delivery.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 18, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Microscale has a BREX set that you might be able to cobble together for this
car. However, I imagine both cars will get as built schemes in the future.
Dennis is on the list so he may choose to comment.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail steel reefers

Bill & Group,

Thanks for your response. Post 1960 is indeed "in the future" for my 1953
modeling. Do you -- or anyone in the group -- know of decals available that
could letter this car in an earlier or even "as-built" paint scheme?

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:41 PM, lnbill wrote:

The paint scheme is a post 1960 version. Note the gothic stenciling, which
began circa 1960.

The site wrongly calls this car a Great Northern car. Not so! It is a
Western Fruit Car. Unlike the CB&Q, which leased its refrigerator cars to
BRE, while WFE was owned by the GN, WFE owned their cars.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, William Keene <wakeene@...> wrote:

Bill and Group,

Is the paint scheme shown on the Accurail website for the WFEX car
accurate for an "as-built" original paint scheme or even a mid-1953 scheme?
Assuming a change in re-weight dates, of course.

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA
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Re: Erie 97322 and ACTX 549

Schuyler Larrabee
 

You and Tim are both correct. I apologize for missing the date.



SGL



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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Erie 97322 and ACTX 549





Schuyler, these were built after 1921.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@yahoo.com <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Erie 97322 and ACTX 549

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie-frt-8-11.gif

Diagram sheet for series 97250-97399 includes the car you're seeking.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie97261b.jpg

Shows you a photo.

SGL










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Adventures in modeling EJ&E boxcar models

Bill Welch
 

Influenced as I remember by an article in one of the two books of compilations of their freight cars articles that RMJ published about 1990 (or was that MR'ing), that discussed the postwar steel cars with improved Dreadnaught ends and 10' IH, I lowered the height of a C&BT six-inches by sawing the roof off and reattaching it, reinforcing the carbody with styrene before I started cutting. Much to my surprize I was able to keep everything straight and even. After discarding everything else except the underframe and maybe the trucks, and adding finer body details (using some of the C&BT detail part to plug the holes in the body) and AB brakes, I painted it in the green & orange scheme planning to use the correct Walthers decals.

This was where the model became a challenge. The decals were not opaque enough! I put in a quick order directly to Walthers for two or three more sets, which just happened to be in stock. Then I carefully applied at least two more layers of decals to achieve the proper look. I explained in a note to Walthers what I was doing and the person responding to my order said they had had to do the same on another model.

A decade and half later, I had to do the same with some Microscale decals to create two Clinchfield F-5's and two GP-7's. These are grey with yellow trim and stenciling. If you are not familiar with the CRR diesels, their paint scheme included parallel yellow horizontal stripes which on F-units follow the riveted batten strips. All I can say is thank goodness for "Opti-Visor. The success with the boxcar gave me confidence that it would work with the diesels.

Bill Welch


Re: Accurail steel reefers

Brian Carlson
 

Microscale has a BREX set that you might be able to cobble together for this
car. However, I imagine both cars will get as built schemes in the future.
Dennis is on the list so he may choose to comment.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
William Keene
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 8:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail steel reefers

Bill & Group,

Thanks for your response. Post 1960 is indeed "in the future" for my 1953
modeling. Do you -- or anyone in the group -- know of decals available that
could letter this car in an earlier or even "as-built" paint scheme?

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:41 PM, lnbill wrote:

The paint scheme is a post 1960 version. Note the gothic stenciling, which
began circa 1960.

The site wrongly calls this car a Great Northern car. Not so! It is a
Western Fruit Car. Unlike the CB&Q, which leased its refrigerator cars to
BRE, while WFE was owned by the GN, WFE owned their cars.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, William Keene <wakeene@...> wrote:

Bill and Group,

Is the paint scheme shown on the Accurail website for the WFEX car
accurate for an "as-built" original paint scheme or even a mid-1953 scheme?
Assuming a change in re-weight dates, of course.

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA






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Re: Tichy P&LE Rebuilt Boxcar

Pieter Roos
 

That was an excellent article, but I think narrowing the roof was an error. I suspect the sides needed to be off-set out further from the original ends. Can anyone comment on whether the Murphy roof would have been made in different widths?

Pieter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

Tony, there's a Clark Propst article in Prototype Railroad Modeling Vol. 1
about kitbashing an EJ&E rebuilt USRA boxcar. It uses IM cut down sides and
narrowed roof with Tichy ends and Accurail fishbelly underframe. Another one
of my partially completed projects.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Anthony Thompson <
thompson@...> wrote:



The discussion of this model prompts me to ask how close the
Tichy kit is to the EJ&E cars of the same ancestry. The photos I have
do not show enough details to be certain, but certainly the overall
look is similar. And Jerry Glow has done decals for that car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...<thompson%40signaturepress.com>
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Re: Accurail steel reefers

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Bill & Group,

Thanks for your response. Post 1960 is indeed "in the future" for my 1953 modeling. Do you -- or anyone in the group -- know of decals available that could letter this car in an earlier or even "as-built" paint scheme?

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:41 PM, lnbill wrote:

The paint scheme is a post 1960 version. Note the gothic stenciling, which began circa 1960.

The site wrongly calls this car a Great Northern car. Not so! It is a Western Fruit Car. Unlike the CB&Q, which leased its refrigerator cars to BRE, while WFE was owned by the GN, WFE owned their cars.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, William Keene <wakeene@...> wrote:

Bill and Group,

Is the paint scheme shown on the Accurail website for the WFEX car accurate for an "as-built" original paint scheme or even a mid-1953 scheme? Assuming a change in re-weight dates, of course.

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: Accurail steel reefers

Bill Welch
 

The paint scheme is a post 1960 version. Note the gothic stenciling, which began circa 1960.

The site wrongly calls this car a Great Northern car. Not so! It is a Western Fruit Car. Unlike the CB&Q, which leased its refrigerator cars to BRE, while WFE was owned by the GN, WFE owned their cars.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, William Keene <wakeene@...> wrote:

Bill and Group,

Is the paint scheme shown on the Accurail website for the WFEX car accurate for an "as-built" original paint scheme or even a mid-1953 scheme? Assuming a change in re-weight dates, of course.

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

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