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Re: Milwaukee convention report

Bob Slavinski
 

Yes I did and I ordered 2 each of the PRR ones....they look really good...
Bob Slavinski



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From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 12:27:43 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Milwaukee convention report

 
Did anyone take a look at the new Tangent gons?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Brock
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Milwaukee convention report

More importantly...certainly more in scope [ hmmm. maybe I need to post the
definition of the word? ]...did anyone notice any new or proposed frt cars?
How about the Athearn SP MT-4 with shroud. Did they show it?

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner







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Re: Milwaukee convention report

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Did anyone take a look at the new Tangent gons?
Yes, I did, Elden, and they look remarkably like the previous ones <g>. But of course new numbers, and new paint schemes, DL&W plus some "far future" for STMFC, PC green.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Randy Williamson
 

Elden,

I ordered two Pennsy gondolas. They look good to me.

Randy Williamson
www.prrfreight.com

Quoting "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " :

Did anyone take a look at the new Tangent gons?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Brock
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Milwaukee convention report

More importantly...certainly more in scope [ hmmm. maybe I need to post the
definition of the word? ]...did anyone notice any new or proposed frt cars?
How about the Athearn SP MT-4 with shroud. Did they show it?

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Milwaukee convention report

David Sieber
 

Tim O'Connor wrote: "Tony, you mean the Proto 2000 Type 21 insulated car that's been available for several years? Or a new model?"
[and]
Anthony Thompson wrote: "There must at least be new paint schemes. They had identified it as "new model," but as I said could not explain what aspects were new. Perhaps some tooling is revised."

Gentlemen, I believe the definitive statement in Walthers' New Product Announcements re these cars is "New Roadnumbers" identifying them as a reissue. Of course, they're also "new" due to rebranding from "Proto 2000 Series" to Walthers "Platinum Line" as we'll likely see for future "new" reissues of P2K cars. Wanta' bet they'll also have "new" boxes/graphics for "Walthers Platinum Line" replacing any mention of P2K?

Regards, Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Tony, you mean the Proto 2000 Type 21 insulated car that's been available for several years? Or a new model?
There must at least be new paint schemes. They had identified it as "new model," but as I said could not explain what aspects were new. Perhaps some tooling is revised.
When Bill Wischer spends a bit of time in the Walthers booth, he can of course answer questions. But clearly the worker bees who've been sent to be warm bodies can't, and moreover must have been instructed to not even try.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Hercules Powder tankcar et al.

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Kurt;

Do you know anything about Hercules involvement in Pennsylvania Industrial
Chemical Co. (PICCO)? They were a big producer of resins, and I think
someone told me Hercules bought them. They had patents to stuff like
Piccolastic and such. PICCO received tank car loads of petroleum, at their
Clairton, PA plant, then processed to produce these resins, some of which
were used in the rubber industry. I have always wanted to know more details
about that operation as it pertains to freight car traffic, particularly.

Elden Gatwood

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kurt
Laughlin
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 8:52 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Hercules Powder tankcar et al.



I used to work for Hercules. They were formed around 1905 by the break-up of
DuPont's monopoly on explosives. They made gunpowder, blasting powder,
dynamite and other explosives. During WW II they operated several
explosive/ammunition plants for the Government. After the war they became
involved in the rocket industry and were still making them until they were
sold/spun-off/bought out by Alliant TechSystems post-1989. They also had
large industrial chemical and plastics businesses. I think now they just make
specialty chemicals.

. . . And further looking finds this article mentiong some business areas and
chemicals:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Hercules-Inc-Company-History
.html

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD

I had done some research on Hercules Powder and predecessors some time ago,
and had only been able to find out info that they made industrial solvents
and resins, most or all of which was shipped in either 103's or 104's. I am
unaware of any pressurized tanks they had painted, or products that would
have required same.

Some of the other cars are also painted as liquid chlorine cars, whioch was
also not shipped in big 105's, AFAIK.


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Did anyone take a look at the new Tangent gons?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Brock
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Milwaukee convention report



More importantly...certainly more in scope [ hmmm. maybe I need to post the
definition of the word? ]...did anyone notice any new or proposed frt cars?
How about the Athearn SP MT-4 with shroud. Did they show it?

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Hercules Powder tankcar et al.

Dean Payne
 

All this talk got me to wondering about the Proto 2000 8K Type 21 car that is lettered for Hercules Powder. I'll assume it's accurate, but for what timeframe is that P/L scheme good for?

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

I used to work for Hercules. They were formed around 1905 by the break-up
of DuPont's monopoly on explosives. They made gunpowder, blasting powder,
dynamite and other explosives. During WW II they operated several
explosive/ammunition plants for the Government. After the war they became
involved in the rocket industry and were still making them until they were
sold/spun-off/bought out by Alliant TechSystems post-1989. They also had
large industrial chemical and plastics businesses. I think now they just
make specialty chemicals.

. . . And further looking finds this article mentiong some business areas
and chemicals:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Hercules-Inc-Company-History.html

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD

I had done some research on Hercules Powder and predecessors some time ago,
and had only been able to find out info that they made industrial solvents
and resins, most or all of which was shipped in either 103's or 104's. I am
unaware of any pressurized tanks they had painted, or products that would
have required same.

Some of the other cars are also painted as liquid chlorine cars, whioch was
also not shipped in big 105's, AFAIK.


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Tim O'Connor
 

Hmmmm.... I can see some Adobe Photoshop magic in the future... ;-)

Tim O'Connor

Bill Schneider - Rapido's "Booth Babe".
Tom Madden


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony Thompson wrote

BTW, I meant to mention that Walthers was showing their 10,000 gallon
insulated tank car, which looks pretty nice.
Tony, you mean the Proto 2000 Type 21 insulated car that's been
available for several years? Or a new model?

As for the response to your question, in all the years I've seen
Walthers display booths, I've never been able to get an answer to
any question about any models.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Hercules Powder tankcar et al.

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

In Hamilton, Ontario, in January, 1991, I took a photo of UTLX 91624, shown as "BLT 5 71". But a stencil under the car number says "UTC 7 51". Capacity stencilled on the end of the tank is given as "10 987 GAL US". This car seems very similar to the Atlas HO ICC-105 tank car.

This car number shows as part of series 91000 to 93999 in the January, 1953 ORER.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

I had done some research on Hercules Powder and predecessors some time
ago,
and had only been able to find out info that they made industrial
solvents
and resins, most or all of which was shipped in either 103's or
104's. I am
unaware of any pressurized tanks they had painted, or products that
would
have required same.

Some of the other cars are also painted as liquid chlorine cars,
whioch was
also not shipped in big 105's, AFAIK.

The only one that seemed plausible, but I have no proof of this
application,
is the (Barrett?) anhydrous car, which product was shipped in big
pressurized
tanks.
Elden,
From the Bob's Photo collection is a photo of GATX 75794 leased to
Hercules Powder Company. taken in El Centro, California on Jan. 1,
1955. The car was built by General American 9-54 and has lettering
"Anhydrous Ammonia Only." It's an ICC-105A300W and appears to be 11,000
gal. capacity. The car is lettered in similar fashion to the UTLX model
94995 Atlas has on their web site except the Hercules graphic is below
the hand railing.

Regarding the Atlas new offerings, three models represent cars
11,000-gallon ICC-105A cars built by ACF in the early 1950s and might
be considered "reasonably close" depending on such details as the
number of steel sheets used to construct the jacket, brake arrangement
variations, incorrect type of running boards (should be Apex), etc.

BMX 10111, series 10101-10125, lot 3640, built 1952. I don't have a
photo from this series to compare to the model.
FOKX 986, series 986-995, lot 3915, built 6-52. There were 10
additional cars BAOX 976-985. Prototype cars had 7-section jackets vs.
6 on the model.
RTCX 5310, series 5301-5310, lot 3952, built 12-52. There were 50
additional cars in the lot, RTCX 5251-5300 lettered for Texas Natural
Gasoline Corp. Prototype cars had 6-section jackets like the model.
UTLX 94614 for lease to Anchorgas. I cannot confirm this car. They were
not built by AC&F.
UTLX 94995 for lease to Hercules Powder Co. I cannot confirm this car.
They were not built by AC&F.
SACX 1109, series 990-1119, lot 3764, built 6-52. Prototype cars were
10,500 gal. for chlorine, not 11,000 as represented by the model.
SPX 8816, series 8776-8825, lot 4062, built 4-53. Prototype cars were
10,500 gal. for chlorine, not 11,000 as represented by the model.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Re: SAL XM-1 Boxcar (B4)

Paul Lyons
 

Bill Darnaby said

I would not have imagined that the B4 would have a different arrangement than the B3 and B5.


I am sure Martin felt the same way when he was putting the kit together!

Paul Lyons


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

More importantly...certainly more in scope [ hmmm. maybe I need to post the definition of the word? ]...did anyone notice any new or proposed frt cars? How about the Athearn SP MT-4 with shroud. Did they show it?

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: SAL XM-1 Boxcar (B4)

william darnaby
 

Thanks Richard and to the rest of you who replied.  It was not the answer I was hoping for as I had already made up my mind that all I had to do is replace the four cross-bearers with two....a simple task with styrene.  I would not have imagined that the B4 would have a different arrangement than the B3 and B5.  In just playing with parts it looks as though I will have to lengthen or move the brake lever slot....maybe not such a bad deal after all.
 
Bill Darnaby

--- On Sat, 7/17/10, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com> wrote:


From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SAL XM-1 Boxcar (B4)
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 5:48 PM


On Jul 17, 2010, at 2:45 PM, wdarnaby@att.net wrote:

I am assembling a Sunshine SAL XM-1 box, kit 91.9 and it would seem 
that the UF is incorrect.  The SAL used a non-standard fish-belly 
UF which the model does have.  However, it is cast with a pair of 
cross-bearers, one under each door post, which prevents the brake 
cylinder from lining up with the lever slot in the UF.  In fact, if 
one were modeling the KC brake version it would be impossible to 
mount the combined cylinder and reservoir.  The photos in the 
instructions and those in RP Cyc #18 are muddy and dark in this 
area.  But if one squints closely as the photos it appears that 
there is only one cross-bearer centered centered under the door.   
This would make sense as there are some sill rivets under the door 
that would otherwise do nothing and this arrangement would allow 
mounting of the brake cylinder, especially the KC.  Anybody have 
better photos that show this or other evidence?
Bill, I'm sending you two detail shots of SAL B4s which clearly show 
two crossbearers aligned with the edges of the door opening.  They 
clearly show the locations of the AB valve and reservoir but not, 
unfortunately, the cylinder.  I'm also sending a detail shot of a B5 
which clearly shows a single crossbearer centered under the door 
openings.  It clearly shows the location of the AB reservoir though, 
again, not the cylinder.  So apparently the kit underframe is correct 
for the B4s with wood doors but not for the B5s with corrugated steel 
doors.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: Digest Number 6359

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Pierre--

I can hardly wait for the runway show! Might we suppose that Bill Schnieder is modelling a new vest or two?

I hear the keys to the Moderator Jail jingling, but at least I'll have lots of company. Can I take tools, adhesive, my cheaters, and a few kits with me, please, Mike? I want to get a car or two finished...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

After sharing Tony's observation with a friend, he offered this possible explanation,

Not gone at all. Everybody's just waiting for the new collection to be announced in Milan.

Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@> wrote:

Jim Dalberg wrote:
Re:Convention and Vests:
You all must have missed the vendor who had "blank" vests for sale.
Well, there was no evidence in the crowd of attendees that he
was selling any. Maybe they're only worn in private now <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Vests, girls, a new Rapido STMFC, FOTFC shirts, and other tangenital discussions--uh, oh!

I'm told that Bill Schnieder has been watching the discussions on STMFC that past day or two. He must be splitting his sides laughing at his suggested attire, and wondering about those vests and t-shirts!

Steve Lucas.

(Fully clothed, and staying that way, thanks. Now I'll try to go back to work on an SC&F tank car kit, if that's of interest to anyone...)

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...> wrote:

GUYZ,
 
           Do any of you want to see Bill "scantilly clad" at the next meet?
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, pullmanboss <tcmadden@...> wrote:


From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Milwaukee convention report
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 5:26 PM


 



Richard Hendrickson wrote:

In any case, trying to get more than "huh?" from the
booth reps is bound to be a waste of time, as they are sales guys who
typically know less than nothing about either prototype research or
model R&D. They're sort of the duller male equivalents of the sexy
female booth babes the aircraft and armor modeling companies have on
hand at conventions, who also are entirely ignorant but much more
decorative.
Bill Schneider - Rapido's "Booth Babe".

Tom Madden










Re: Digest Number 6359

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

After sharing Tony's observation with a friend, he offered this possible explanation,

Not gone at all. Everybody's just waiting for the new collection to be announced in Milan.

Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Jim Dalberg wrote:
Re:Convention and Vests:
You all must have missed the vendor who had "blank" vests for sale.
Well, there was no evidence in the crowd of attendees that he
was selling any. Maybe they're only worn in private now <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Hendrickson

They're sort of the duller male equivalents of the sexy
female booth babes the aircraft and armor modeling companies have on
hand at conventions . . .

----- Original Message -----

I've been to eighteen nationals and about half that number of regional IPMS or AMPS conventions and I recall *one* - *ONE* - woman who was at a booth in a purely eye candy role. This is easy to remember as I've seen about 25 women total in booths, mostly wives and girlfriends of the men.

You must have gone to the east meeting room rather than west after walking under the show banner.

KL


Re: Hercules Powder tankcar et al.

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I used to work for Hercules. They were formed around 1905 by the break-up of DuPont's monopoly on explosives. They made gunpowder, blasting powder, dynamite and other explosives. During WW II they operated several explosive/ammunition plants for the Government. After the war they became involved in the rocket industry and were still making them until they were sold/spun-off/bought out by Alliant TechSystems post-1989. They also had large industrial chemical and plastics businesses. I think now they just make specialty chemicals.

. . . And further looking finds this article mentiong some business areas and chemicals:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Hercules-Inc-Company-History.html

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD

I had done some research on Hercules Powder and predecessors some time ago,
and had only been able to find out info that they made industrial solvents
and resins, most or all of which was shipped in either 103's or 104's. I am
unaware of any pressurized tanks they had painted, or products that would
have required same.

Some of the other cars are also painted as liquid chlorine cars, whioch was
also not shipped in big 105's, AFAIK.


Re: Digest Number 6359

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jim Dalberg wrote:
Re:Convention and Vests:
You all must have missed the vendor who had "blank" vests for sale.
Well, there was no evidence in the crowd of attendees that he was selling any. Maybe they're only worn in private now <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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