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Re: SHPX 13141

Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...>
 

Peter
I read your post about CT and Paniesville and Fraiport Harbor and the Western
Reserve.
Let me add that area is also known as the "Fire Lands" because after the
revelution that area was granted to the people from CT that were burned out by
the British during the war. Just some bit of info I picked up alonge the way.
Don Ford Kanab UT




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From: Peter Ness <prness@roadrunner.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 8:31:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: SHPX 13141

 

Hi Chuck,

OK, now I'm getting a creepy feeling. I grew up in MA in a town served
by the New Haven which I model. Now I live in OH two towns away from
Painesville and Fairport Harbor - and commute to work through
Painesville 5 days a week.

I know historically this part of OH was "the Western Reserve" since it
was part of CT for a while, but the Naugatuck Chemical connection is
just plain eerie (not Erie, which is about 50 miles East).

Thanks for the information!

Regards,

Peter Ness

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Peter,
The Naugatuck Chemical Company also had a large plant in Painesville,
Ohio on the Fairport, Painesville and Eastern (FP&E). In the 50's all
I
recall were black tank cars with no logo.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division






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DOWX Type 27 Tank Car modeling

octoraro1948 <octoraro1@...>
 

Several months ago, I embarked on an effort to find a plausible prototype to ship phenol. In Volume 3 of the Railroad Prototpe Cyclopedia are builder's photos of Dow Chemical tank cars built by AC&F in 1936. With the help of Richard Hendrickson, Ed Hawkins, the St. Louis Mercantile Library, and the St. Louis Museum of Transportation (facilitated by Mr. Hawkins), I am in the process of modifying an Intermountain Type 27 10,000 gallon kit to represent DOWX C-10341 in its as-built paint scheme -- aluminum and black as illustrated by the photos of the contemporary lots in the RP Cyc.

Jerry Glow has been gracious (and patient!) enough to produce decals for this attractive paint scheme. The artwork for the set can be seen on Mr. Glow's website at:

http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

Subtle modifications to the Intermountain kit include backdating the running board supports to represent pressed steel and relocation/upgrade of the brake hardware. More visible modifications involve re-orientation of the dome to reposition the safety valves to one side and addition of housings for a siphon valve, air inlet valve, and a common "kidney-shaped" housing for an outlet and a pressure relief valve. The duplex heating coil system can be represented by Archer offset rivets at four points on each side where the brackets were located inside the tank. I plan to use Precision Scale steam packing glands and 0.028" wire to represent the four 2" steam pipe inlets/outlets and flanges on the A-end of the tank.

Another detail of which I was unaware -- until Mr. Hawkins brought it to my attantion -- was a set of "mudguards". These were sheet metal sections attached to the underframe over the wheels.

I wish to thank all of those who have helped me along with this rather personal project.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Re: model car weight

David North <davenorth@...>
 

I weight my cars in line with the NMRA RP.

Track and wheels have certainly improve since the RP was established, but as
the RP exists, I see no good reason to mess with it and I find the weight
helps to keep a static car still when coupling another car to it.

(I use Kadee couplers and IM wheels).

At NMRA weight I don't find my cars don't need the 'good bump" Bill referred
to.

Cheers

Dave North


Re: CP Mini Box

Bill Schneider
 

TLT is doing the CP mini-box, and is estimating mid-2011 release. It will be all new tooling.


Bill Schneider

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <eric@hansmanns.org>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 7:45:11 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CP Mini Box

 




Bill Dixon wrote:

What little is known is at:
http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/tltrains.html#XM40M
======================

True Line Trains listings of future "36' Dominion Box Car (Fowler)" retooled models are on the same page if you scroll up from the Mini Box details.

Eric

Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/




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Re: Meat Reefer usage

Douglas Harding
 

Bob, Wilsons and Cudahy had multiple plants and branch houses around country. So their cars could be seen just about anywhere.
Rath had only one plant, the one in Waterloo, but it was the largest slaughter operation "under one roof" in the world, with
ability to load 124 cars in one day. So I suspect that Rath cars were see in multiple locations, also.

Remember the large packing houses worked very hard to develop and promote a brand name so housewives would ask for that brand at
their super market or butcher. They would market product across the country. In the 50's the population base (ie customers) was
still the north east, there were hungry folks everywhere. And while LA, San Francisco and Portland OR had slaughter operations,
most meat was still coming out of the mid-west, ie Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City, Sioux City, etc.

You might want to check the local newspaper (ask the library) for your time period to see what the grocery store ads list for name
brand meats, ie hams, bacon, etc. That will tell you what reefers came to town.

By the way I am now living much closer to Iowa City.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Painting whisker couplers

Mike Fortney
 

One can paint dozens of Kadee couplers at a time by inserting the ends into the corrugations on a straight edge of a piece of corrugated cardboard. This offers a good friction fit but not enough to harm the whiskers (not a concern with std. 58s). With the cardboard as the built-in handle, this method is too easy.

Mike Fortney

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a neat solution to painting whisker couplers?

For regular Kadees I fold a piece of masking tape over the shank, which effectively keeps paint off the nice slick bearing surfaces and allows me to position the set of taped couplers so as to get minimum paint on maximum surface.

I've found more and more use for whisker couplers, especially in retrofitting ones that didn't spring so well, and I have needed to paint some to go onto pre-painted cars. I'm really reluctant to wrap masking tape over the spring for fear that it'll take the spring with it, and I don't want to paint the things shank and all.

Comments? Remember that in 1960 it was perfectly permissible to paint couplers, especially the top and sides of the head, and it shows in photos. That's why I'm posting here, because others in this group might need to do so also.

Ron Merrick


Re: CP Mini Box

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill Dixon wrote:

What little is known is at:
http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/tltrains.html#XM40M
======================


True Line Trains listings of future "36' Dominion Box Car (Fowler)" retooled models are on the same page if you scroll up from the Mini Box details.

Eric


Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/


Re: CP Mini Box

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Bill,



Thanks for the link and info.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "W.R.Dixon" <WRDixon@telus.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:49:12 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CP Mini Box

 




James F. Brewer wrote:

According to the MR email newsletter, Hobby Craft announced the CP mini box at Milwaukee; anyone have any more information about when this model will be available? Did anyone attending the train show see the pre-production sample on display?
What little is known is at:
http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/tltrains.html#XM40M

Bill Dixon



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Re: Painting whisker couplers

jerryglow2
 

I don't think I ever masked or tried to protect the shanks when airbrushing them. Any slight overspray can be burnished off. If you want to mask, how about a soda straw or piece of shrink tubing (not shrunk of course) slipped over the shank?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a neat solution to painting whisker couplers?

For regular Kadees I fold a piece of masking tape over the shank, which effectively keeps paint off the nice slick bearing surfaces and allows me to position the set of taped couplers so as to get minimum paint on maximum surface.

I've found more and more use for whisker couplers, especially in retrofitting ones that didn't spring so well, and I have needed to paint some to go onto pre-painted cars. I'm really reluctant to wrap masking tape over the spring for fear that it'll take the spring with it, and I don't want to paint the things shank and all.

Comments? Remember that in 1960 it was perfectly permissible to paint couplers, especially the top and sides of the head, and it shows in photos. That's why I'm posting here, because others in this group might need to do so also.

Ron Merrick


Re: SHPX 13141

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 22, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Peter Ness wrote:

Thanks very much for the additional information. I have some photos of
SHPX cars from the late '40's and early '50's in which "SHPX" and the
road number are in a "railroad roman" font. In the photo of SHPX 13141
the fonts are more like a Futura type (i.e., no serif, tails or
whatever). Was there a time period in which SHPX changed their font
style or could it have been up to the lessee or during inspection,
repainting or repair that they style may have changed? Can I tell
anything about what year(s) the car was in this service by the
lettering
style?
Peter,
I looked through a lot of SHPX tank car photos, both builder's and in
service from the late-1920s to the mid-1950s, and the overwhelming
majority had reporting marks and car number stencils in sans-serif
style lettering. As you state, there were some SHPX tank cars that used
serif-style reporting marks and car number stencils (i.e., Railroad
Roman). I found this on cars leased to Sparton Oils (1927-1928),
Southern Alkali (late-1940s to 1952), and Wyandotte Chemicals
(late-1940s to 1952). However, there were at least two examples of SHPX
cars leased to Wyandotte Chemicals had sans-serif lettering, so they
all weren't always consistent. There may have been a few others having
serif-style stencils, but this is what I found doing a relatively quick
search.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: CP Mini Box

W.R.Dixon
 

James F. Brewer wrote:
According to the MR email newsletter, Hobby Craft announced the CP mini box at Milwaukee; anyone have any more information about when this model will be available? Did anyone attending the train show see the pre-production sample on display?
What little is known is at:
http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/tltrains.html#XM40M

Bill Dixon


CP Mini Box

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

According to the MR email newsletter, Hobby Craft announced the CP mini box at Milwaukee; anyone have any more information about when this model will be available?  Did anyone attending the train show see the pre-production sample on display?



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD


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Re: SHPX 13141

Peter Ness
 

Hi Ed,

Thanks very much for the additional information. I have some photos of
SHPX cars from the late '40's and early '50's in which "SHPX" and the
road number are in a "railroad roman" font. In the photo of SHPX 13141
the fonts are more like a Futura type (i.e., no serif, tails or
whatever). Was there a time period in which SHPX changed their font
style or could it have been up to the lessee or during inspection,
repainting or repair that they style may have changed? Can I tell
anything about what year(s) the car was in this service by the lettering
style?

Many thanks,

Peter Ness


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
Peter,
SHPX 13141 was one of 53 10,000-gallon insulated ICC 103 Type 27 tank
cars built by AC&F as part of lot no. 2141A. They were used for
asphalt
and assigned to series 13123-13175. All of the cars had heater pipes.
A
builder's photo of 13125, built 11-40, was plainly lettered for
Shippers' Car Line without any lessee stencils. No doubt that through
the years different lessees used the cars and some with sporty
lettering.

There were 17 additional cars built to the same specs (but without
heater pipes) in lot 2141, numbered 13116-13122 and 13176-13175. SHPX
13119 was the only car having a full dome platform with hand rails.
These latter 17 cars were for latex and were leased to a number of
companies in small groups painted/lettered a variety of ways for
Revertex Corp. of America, Heveatex Corp., Charles T. Wilson Co.
(liquid latex), General Latex and Chemical Corp., Wecoline Products,
and 9 cars simply lettered for Shippers' Car Line.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: SHPX 13141

Peter Ness
 

Hi Chuck,

OK, now I'm getting a creepy feeling. I grew up in MA in a town served
by the New Haven which I model. Now I live in OH two towns away from
Painesville and Fairport Harbor - and commute to work through
Painesville 5 days a week.

I know historically this part of OH was "the Western Reserve" since it
was part of CT for a while, but the Naugatuck Chemical connection is
just plain eerie (not Erie, which is about 50 miles East).

Thanks for the information!

Regards,

Peter Ness


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Peter,
The Naugatuck Chemical Company also had a large plant in Painesville,
Ohio on the Fairport, Painesville and Eastern (FP&E). In the 50's all
I
recall were black tank cars with no logo.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division


Re: model car weight

Eric Hansmann
 

Pierre,

I have been adding weight to cars at 75% of the NMRA recommendations. Newer truck sideframes and wheelsets are much better than the materials used when the NMRA recommendations were first implemented. My rolling stock has had many scale miles operating on a club layout with other rolling stock weighted to NMRA recommendations and some weighted a bit more. No problems.

Eric



Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

With the growing use of semi-scale wheel sets and their improved rolling characteristics, has anyone done any research or have an opinion on the suggested weight of model freight cars?
I thought I had heard one opinion that the the NMRA RP for car weight are somewhat heavy for today's better rolling models.
Thanks,
Pierre Oliver


Re: Painting whisker couplers

Tim O'Connor
 

Ron

I throw the couplers into an old Athearn kit box, and airbrush
them 50 at a time with thin dirty rusty overspray. Usually no two
are exactly alike. Once I've installed the couplers I dab on some
Neo-Lube on the springs and trip pins.

Tim O'Connor

At 7/22/2010 08:05 PM Thursday, you wrote:
Does anyone have a neat solution to painting whisker couplers?

For regular Kadees I fold a piece of masking tape over the shank, which effectively keeps paint off the nice slick bearing surfaces and allows me to position the set of taped couplers so as to get minimum paint on maximum surface.

I've found more and more use for whisker couplers, especially in retrofitting ones that didn't spring so well, and I have needed to paint some to go onto pre-painted cars. I'm really reluctant to wrap masking tape over the spring for fear that it'll take the spring with it, and I don't want to paint the things shank and all.

Comments? Remember that in 1960 it was perfectly permissible to paint couplers, especially the top and sides of the head, and it shows in photos. That's why I'm posting here, because others in this group might need to do so also.

Ron Merrick


Re: SHPX 13141

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 22, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Peter Ness wrote:

First off, forgive me if this car is beyond the scope of the group. I
don't think it is, but perhaps the lessee may be. If so, apologies in
advance.

This car appears to be either a 10000 gallon or insulated 8000 gallon
car. The car is of interest to me for several reasons;
<snip>

Peter,
SHPX 13141 was one of 53 10,000-gallon insulated ICC 103 Type 27 tank
cars built by AC&F as part of lot no. 2141A. They were used for asphalt
and assigned to series 13123-13175. All of the cars had heater pipes. A
builder's photo of 13125, built 11-40, was plainly lettered for
Shippers' Car Line without any lessee stencils. No doubt that through
the years different lessees used the cars and some with sporty
lettering.

There were 17 additional cars built to the same specs (but without
heater pipes) in lot 2141, numbered 13116-13122 and 13176-13175. SHPX
13119 was the only car having a full dome platform with hand rails.
These latter 17 cars were for latex and were leased to a number of
companies in small groups painted/lettered a variety of ways for
Revertex Corp. of America, Heveatex Corp., Charles T. Wilson Co.
(liquid latex), General Latex and Chemical Corp., Wecoline Products,
and 9 cars simply lettered for Shippers' Car Line.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Painting whisker couplers

mopacfirst
 

Does anyone have a neat solution to painting whisker couplers?

For regular Kadees I fold a piece of masking tape over the shank, which effectively keeps paint off the nice slick bearing surfaces and allows me to position the set of taped couplers so as to get minimum paint on maximum surface.

I've found more and more use for whisker couplers, especially in retrofitting ones that didn't spring so well, and I have needed to paint some to go onto pre-painted cars. I'm really reluctant to wrap masking tape over the spring for fear that it'll take the spring with it, and I don't want to paint the things shank and all.

Comments? Remember that in 1960 it was perfectly permissible to paint couplers, especially the top and sides of the head, and it shows in photos. That's why I'm posting here, because others in this group might need to do so also.

Ron Merrick


Meat Reefer usage

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

Group,
I have read the various articles on meat reefers published over the years, primarily by Martin Lofton and Richard Hendrickson, but I still have a few questions about their traffic patterns, and am trying to ascertain whether some of the roadnames are appropriate for my location and era.

I recently obtained the 1952 Sanborn Maps for Minot, ND, which was an important division point on the GN mainline. There was at the time a Swift and Co. branch house, as well as an Armour Co. creamery in town, so I am supposing that Swift and Armour reefers are appropriate. But I am wondering if the grocery wholesalers in Minot would have received packaged meats from Wilson's, Cudahy, Rath, etc., or were these reefers not seen in the Great Plains states? I know that brands used to be much more regional in the steam era. Does anyone know of a listing of the various states that these companies did business in?

Thanks for any assistance.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


SHPX 13141

Peter Ness
 

First off, forgive me if this car is beyond the scope of the group. I
don't think it is, but perhaps the lessee may be. If so, apologies in
advance.

This car appears to be either a 10000 gallon or insulated 8000 gallon
car. The car is of interest to me for several reasons;

The photo of the car is from beyond the time of this group by about 6
years and the roadnumber lettering seems fairly "modern" to my eye (but
I am darned sure the car itself qualifies!) and it has (to me) an
interesting logo on the tank side; The logo is circular and perhaps 2/3
the diameter of the tank dome. It has a white outer trim ring with a
red band inside that, containing lettering (illegible in photo). Inside
of this red circular band with white lettering is a white circle that
contains what resembles a yacht pennant. The pennant is blue and
contains a white shape that may be an elongated diamond on the middle,
with possible more detail in this white shape. This interests me
because by the time the photo was taken it seems most leased tank cars
were becoming bland without much lessee identification, and if present
more likely to be lettering and not a flashy, colorful logo!

It's also interesting to me because the tank car immediately behind SHPX
13141 has the same logo, so there were at least two cars so painted!

Even more (to me), I've been told by a trusted source that this "may"
(operative word) have been leased by US Rubber, which was affilated wtih
Naugatuck Chemical, which was located on the New Haven Railroad, which I
model!

In the best of all worlds, someone could confirm for me that SHPX 13141
fits within the era of this group, who leased it with the fancy logo
which is also within the era of this group, be able to identify the car
type and number series and wonder of wonders, perhaps share (or point me
to) a photo that clearly shows the logo. I guess all that would be left
after that would be if someone could educate me to what model would be
correct (if there is one) and who makes the decals (Ha! might as well
ask for the moon, right?)

Thanks in advance,

Peter Ness

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