Just checked the three photos of those cars I have in the computer and the sides are wider than the ends, but not just a 90 offset. Looks like they used a formed piece to connect the sides to the ends.
Clark Propst

Guys, I have a dozen extensively modified (with Stan's parts) IM PFE reefers. They are as close to the 49 blt Armour cars as I can get, just replaced all their roofs.
If Rapido is coming out with that car I would not be happy !
Now, if it were a GATC stock car...
The Armour reefers had brine tanks, don't know if they would stll have side drains without looking at my photos. I hope they don't. Cause then I'd have to add them....
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering Richard. Been up nortt.
You don't have to murder me. With both you and Bill saying I'll like it the suspense is killing me !

Clark Propst

On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:54 PM, rockroll50401 wrote:

Bill told me they were coming out with a freight car and we'd like
it. That's all I could get out of him about their product line.

They are coming out with a freight car, Clark, and you (especially)
will like it. But if I told you what it was, I'd have to kill you,
and that's probably a bad idea for both of us.

Richard Hendrickson

Thanks Allen

AFAIK, on west coast the slaughter houses tended not to be the big Midwest
packers but local businesses. What you'd find were distribution houses for
Swift, Cudhay, Mather, Kingan, etc.

On a slightly different angle, what about military bases? In Oakland CA.
the routine needs of the entire Pacific fleet was stocked in dozens of
warehouses, including a very large, multi-story, windowless, concrete
coldhouse. Would one have seen all sorts of meat reefers there, just one
(the house w/ the Navy contract), or cars owned by the Navy?

Same question for any large military base.

Dave Nelson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote:
The info on the Fowler models, unlike that provided on the Mini Box, does not list what stenciling schemes w ill be produced.  Does anyone have further info on this?  > I don't mind pre-ordering from my LHS, but want to be certain I have the appropriate stenciling scheme for my circa 1956 layout.

James:
The Dominion or Fowler car was a single sheath car and CPR after the 20s kept the same lettering scheme on their single sheath cars so apart from number changes they should all be the same. By 1956 there were still lots available for the grain rush and as service cars.
Allen Ferguson

We look forward to seeing all of you O scale modelers at the show

WE have dealers of every scale O On 3 ad On30.

Sincerely, Rich Yoder



cid:102452400@13072010-21CE

Once again our train show is fast approaching.

If your friends don’t get this please pass it along.

Saturday August 7th at the Strasburg PA Fire Company

Located at 203 West Franklin street in Strasburg PA 17579

We are having our mid summer Swap meet and train show.

Doors open to the general public at 9:00 AM







Sincerely,

Rich Yoder

7 Edgedale Court

Wyomissing PA 19610-1913

Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST

610-678-2834

<http://www.richyodermodels.com> www.richyodermodels.com



RYM-Plateest 1999





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In response to my original inquiry regarding True Line Trains' announced CP Mini Box, Bill Dixon provided a link with info:



http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/tltrains.html#XM40M


Bill Schneider pointed out that by scrolling up, info about a retooled Fowler boxcar was also mentioned. The info on the Fowler models, unlike that provided on the Mini Box, does not list what stenciling schemes w ill be produced.  Does anyone have further info on this?  I checked True Line's web site but didn't see anything.



I don't mind pre-ordering from my LHS, but want to be certain I have the appropriate stenciling scheme for my circa 1956 layout.



Thanks.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

--- Donald Ford wrote:

Peter
I read your post about CT and Paniesville and Fraiport Harbor and the Western
Reserve.
Let me add that area is also known as the "Fire Lands" because after the
revelution that area was granted to the people from CT that were burned out by
the British during the war. Just some bit of info I picked up alonge the way.

========================


Donald,

You are correct in part of your description of The Firelands, but the area encompassed only the western-most counties of the Western Reserve; those counties west of Lorain County.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maggieoh/western.html

The entire Western Reserve hosted a network of railroads during the steam era. PRR, NYC, B&O, NKP, ERIE, and W&LE owned large fleets of freight cars that served the industrial scene. It has been fascinating to discover details on a very small portion of this network that came together in Newburgh, Ohio just south of Cleveland.
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

Hopefully I'll meet Peter sometime soon as he seems to live about 40 miles north of me and we can trade freight car building ideas.

Eric


Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio

The corrugated card board should work great.  Here's an additional method that I
use.  I have a shirt cardboard, not corrugated, and have cut a matrix -- so many
rows, so many columns-- of slots just wide enough to accept the coupler shanks,
and with a section for whiskers.  I insert the couplers in the slots and then
airbrush the coupler bodies on the front of the cardboard with the desired
color.  Then flip the cardboard over and spray the shanks with lubricant.  I'm
careful to spray paint the bottom of the uncoupling arms with the body color and
then come back with a brush and grimy black paint and hand paint all of the arm
except the tip, which is left with the coupler body color to represent the
fitting at the bottom of the air line.  Since I batch process a number of
couplers this way I generally paint the front in patches, transitioning
the color from rust to black as I move from patch to patch so I end up with a
range of coupler colors for house cars, tankers, hoppers, .....  I don't worry
about segregating the patches, the over-spray from painting an adjacent patch is
more often enhancing then distracting.  This is a nice way to use up any small
quantities of paint left over from earlier projects-- only if the paint is still
fluid, you don't want to gunk up a coupler.  The final step before removing the
couplers from the cardboard is to go along with a puff bottle of dry lub and
puff a little into the interior of each coupler body, tapping the uncoupler arm
several times to spread the lub around.  When all are done, hold the cardboard
face-down over the trash can and tap it lightly so any excess lub falls out
there rather then on a model later on.

About the stamped metal centering springs on the regular couplers, maybe you
don't need to switch so many cars to whiskers.  I find the tension of the delay
spring arm (the arm with the little jink in it) is a little high for reliable
operation.  I bend that arm outward ever so slightly so that it barely touches
the rear retaining tab when at rest.  That minor adjustment seems to improve
uncoupling performance noticably and yet the return-to-center remains fine.

Happy rails-- Wayne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald" <radepierre@...> wrote:

I would be interested in an undec product offering of these
As undec versions are on in decline, those of us who desire
this should make TLT folks aware of our market interest.

TLT was not usually interested in doing undecs.
I did an interesting experiment. I bought unlettered CN & CP cabooses from them at dealer price. MRSP was $45. I then tried to resell, including a decal set (3 different schemes)for less than MSRP price.
- Trying to encourage people to use decals-.
This spring there were regular RTR cabooses at Calgary train show for less than I paid. Why would they buy from me? The market told me that 99.9% of the people would rather have a RTR car than a unique number. If you want to reletter your going to have to remove the old lettering.
I declined to do the same with boxcars.
Ya wanna buy a CN caboose with no paint or lettering to remove?
Allen Ferguson
Black Cat Publishing

I would be interested in an undec product offering of these
as I like to "roll my own" so-to-speak.

As undec versions are on in decline, those of us who desire
this should make TLT folks aware of our market interest.

Ron A. dePierre

Half the time, I do that. And you're right, I can manage to avoid getting paint stuck in the bearing most of the time, and a little exercising takes care of it if it happens. Most people probably realize it's not the knuckle spring that is critical.

I was thinking of canned spray paint such as Floquil or Scalecoat, which I prefer if it's a normal color that I need. Depends on the number of pairs of couplers, also. One may get hand painted. Four, as I was doing the other night, probably would get sprayed.

It's always interesting to see the diversity of practices here.

Ron Merrick

KISS. Pick up coupler by the shank in left hand, pick up brush in right hand, dip tip of brush into paint, and apply. Two nanoseconds. No masking is required, and by the time the spray booth would have been otherwise set up, etc. etc., or the worries about bending the whiskers would have been rationalized, the average modeler will have had all of his couplers already painted, and will have moved on to more interesting things (:-).

Now, this does require some skill and judgment to not gum up the works with thick paint, but in this community of pretty dedicated kit builders and operators, I presume that such manual efforts would not be scorned.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento

Mike,

Brilliant idea. Thanks

Gordon Spalty

Peter
I read your post about CT and Paniesville and Fraiport Harbor and the Western
Reserve.
Let me add that area is also known as the "Fire Lands" because after the
revelution that area was granted to the people from CT that were burned out by
the British during the war. Just some bit of info I picked up alonge the way.
Don Ford Kanab UT




________________________________
From: Peter Ness <prness@roadrunner.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 8:31:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: SHPX 13141

 

Hi Chuck,

OK, now I'm getting a creepy feeling. I grew up in MA in a town served
by the New Haven which I model. Now I live in OH two towns away from
Painesville and Fairport Harbor - and commute to work through
Painesville 5 days a week.

I know historically this part of OH was "the Western Reserve" since it
was part of CT for a while, but the Naugatuck Chemical connection is
just plain eerie (not Erie, which is about 50 miles East).

Thanks for the information!

Regards,

Peter Ness

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Peter,
The Naugatuck Chemical Company also had a large plant in Painesville,
Ohio on the Fairport, Painesville and Eastern (FP&E). In the 50's all

I

recall were black tank cars with no logo.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division

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Several months ago, I embarked on an effort to find a plausible prototype to ship phenol. In Volume 3 of the Railroad Prototpe Cyclopedia are builder's photos of Dow Chemical tank cars built by AC&F in 1936. With the help of Richard Hendrickson, Ed Hawkins, the St. Louis Mercantile Library, and the St. Louis Museum of Transportation (facilitated by Mr. Hawkins), I am in the process of modifying an Intermountain Type 27 10,000 gallon kit to represent DOWX C-10341 in its as-built paint scheme -- aluminum and black as illustrated by the photos of the contemporary lots in the RP Cyc.

Jerry Glow has been gracious (and patient!) enough to produce decals for this attractive paint scheme. The artwork for the set can be seen on Mr. Glow's website at:

http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

Subtle modifications to the Intermountain kit include backdating the running board supports to represent pressed steel and relocation/upgrade of the brake hardware. More visible modifications involve re-orientation of the dome to reposition the safety valves to one side and addition of housings for a siphon valve, air inlet valve, and a common "kidney-shaped" housing for an outlet and a pressure relief valve. The duplex heating coil system can be represented by Archer offset rivets at four points on each side where the brackets were located inside the tank. I plan to use Precision Scale steam packing glands and 0.028" wire to represent the four 2" steam pipe inlets/outlets and flanges on the A-end of the tank.

Another detail of which I was unaware -- until Mr. Hawkins brought it to my attantion -- was a set of "mudguards". These were sheet metal sections attached to the underframe over the wheels.

I wish to thank all of those who have helped me along with this rather personal project.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ

I weight my cars in line with the NMRA RP.

Track and wheels have certainly improve since the RP was established, but as
the RP exists, I see no good reason to mess with it and I find the weight
helps to keep a static car still when coupling another car to it.

(I use Kadee couplers and IM wheels).

At NMRA weight I don't find my cars don't need the 'good bump" Bill referred
to.

Cheers

Dave North

TLT is doing the CP mini-box, and is estimating mid-2011 release. It will be all new tooling.


Bill Schneider

Bob, Wilsons and Cudahy had multiple plants and branch houses around country. So their cars could be seen just about anywhere.
Rath had only one plant, the one in Waterloo, but it was the largest slaughter operation "under one roof" in the world, with
ability to load 124 cars in one day. So I suspect that Rath cars were see in multiple locations, also.

Remember the large packing houses worked very hard to develop and promote a brand name so housewives would ask for that brand at
their super market or butcher. They would market product across the country. In the 50's the population base (ie customers) was
still the north east, there were hungry folks everywhere. And while LA, San Francisco and Portland OR had slaughter operations,
most meat was still coming out of the mid-west, ie Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City, Sioux City, etc.

You might want to check the local newspaper (ask the library) for your time period to see what the grocery store ads list for name
brand meats, ie hams, bacon, etc. That will tell you what reefers came to town.

By the way I am now living much closer to Iowa City.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org