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Re: National Perishable Freight Committee

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have posted in the Member's Only section of the Santa Fe Society website a pdf copy of SFRD Circular No. 2-J, Rules and Regulations Governing the Handling of Perishable Freight, December 15, 1941. The first few pages are ATSF specific. The vast majority of the publication is Circular 20-B of the National Perishable Freight Committee and applies to virtually all railroads. It totals 135 pages and is all about ice reefers, this is prior to mechanical reefers.

Since some of you are not ATSF society members, I am also posting it temporarily at www.ssandifer.com/SFRD2-J.pdf. If you want it, download it - 7MB of it. I don't plan on leaving it on my website as it takes up too much space. If the STMFC site would like to host it, you have my permission to capture it and post it.
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Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: National Perishable Freight Committee





Chuck,

I don't think that many know about these circulars. I won one from 1948 on Ebay cheap--I was the only bidder. Full name for it was "Circular No. 20-C, Code of Rules for Handling Perishable Freight". 21 pages of fine print, covering everything one would want to know about what reefers could carry and how to protect their loads.

Mine spent quite awhile in the convenient magazine rack in the bathroom. Just lots of neat info!

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnnrr" <lnnrr@...> wrote:
>
> There have been frequent and long discussions here on the subjects
> of refrigerated freight, their cars, companies, routes, and destinations. I can't recall the mention of the National Perishable
> Freight Committee


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

Bob, you're probably right. I have 3 Sunshine models, But I guess another one of two could be worked in...
Clark Propst
Clark,
There is always room for more freight cars. How did the TLT CP minibox look to you? And did Al W. have any idea when that CB&Q boxcar was going to be available?

I post to the Proto layout group as well, so welcome back from your recent fishing trip. Catch any big ones? I am originally from ND, so I have grown up walleye fishing on Lake Sakakawea. By the time I get back up there in a couple of years, the population should have rebounded. Just in time...

Bob.


Re: Meat Reefer usage

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Dave interesting question about Military Supply Depots. No doubt they would have received large quantities of meat, and I would
guess arrival at the supply depots in regular meat reefers from whom ever had the military contract.
Dave and Doug,
In the article on the General American 37' meat reefers in RPC Vol. 14, there are Col. Chet McCoid photos of Oscar Mayer and Emge Packing reefers at Ft. Bragg, NC.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Meat Reefer usage

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Doug Harding wrote:
In California, of the major meat packers: Armour was in LA and San Francisco. Cudahy had a slaughter house in LA and a branch
house in San Francisco, Hormel had a slaughter house in LA and branch house in San Francisco. Swift had slaughter operations at LA and San Francisco, Wilson had a slaughter house in LA. Plus, as you say, there were smaller or more localized meat packers as
well.
Doug, thanks for the summary. I remember something in all the PFE material I read, on the subject of whether PFE would accommodate the packers' request that they have more meat cars available for times of car shortage (PFE declined since traffic would have ALWAYS moved in packer cars except in the most dire conditions). It stated that some packaged and prepared meats (I'm assuming ham, sausage, etc.) came from the "main packing plants," while most cut meat and hanging meat was supplied to customers from the branch houses. Is that consistent with what you know about the meat business in, say, 1950?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

Clark Propst
 

Bob, you're probably right. I have 3 Sunshine models, But I guess another one of two could be worked in...
Clark Propst

(Group),
I think the car is the General American 37' wooden meat reefer. We have already determined on this list the truck is a Barber S-1, which most of these cars had; in one of the newsletters on the Rapido website, there is another hint in the form of a drawing of an Equipco 3160 brakewheel, which these cars were equipped with; and the shape and positioning of the bolster tab, sill step, and bunker drain all match photos of these cars. RP Cyc Vol. 14 has a good article on these cars if anyone wants to see for themselves.

If I am right, this is an excellent choice for Rapido. There are lots of accurate schemes that can be applied to these cars, as well as dozens more for the "close enough" crowd. And they ran from the late 30s into the 60s, at least.

If I am wrong, I guess we will still get a beautiful model of a freight car, so either way we cannot lose!

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Meat Reefer usage

Douglas Harding
 

Dave interesting question about Military Supply Depots. No doubt they would have received large quantities of meat, and I would
guess arrival at the supply depots in regular meat reefers from whom ever had the military contract.

In California, of the major meat packers: Armour was in LA and San Francisco. Cudahy had a slaughter house in LA and a branch
house in San Francisco, Hormel had a slaughter house in LA and branch house in San Francisco. Swift had slaughter operations at LA
and San Francisco, Wilson had a slaughter house in LA. Plus, as you say, there were smaller or more localized meat packers as
well.

Mather was not a meat packer, they built and leased meat reefers and stockcars.

Do you have evidence of Kingan having a branch house in California? I am always looking to add to my list.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

Sorry for the delay in answering Richard. Been up nortt.
You don't have to murder me. With both you and Bill saying I'll like it the suspense is killing me !

Clark Propst
Clark (and Group),
I think the car is the General American 37' wooden meat reefer. We have already determined on this list the truck is a Barber S-1, which most of these cars had; in one of the newsletters on the Rapido website, there is another hint in the form of a drawing of an Equipco 3160 brakewheel, which these cars were equipped with; and the shape and positioning of the bolster tab, sill step, and bunker drain all match photos of these cars. RP Cyc Vol. 14 has a good article on these cars if anyone wants to see for themselves.

If I am right, this is an excellent choice for Rapido. There are lots of accurate schemes that can be applied to these cars, as well as dozens more for the "close enough" crowd. And they ran from the late 30s into the 60s, at least.

If I am wrong, I guess we will still get a beautiful model of a freight car, so either way we cannot lose!

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Milwaukee convention report

Clark Propst
 

Friday afternoon when we were getting to the escalators to the show room a couple guys were getting off that were unmistakably closet vesties. Maybe it was the pins on their hats?

Thought the show was more like "Trainfest". Not near as large as the shows of the late last century when we had three conventions round here in a row.

F&C didn't have the car I wanted to buy (C&O DD box) Westerfield had a display model of a neat CB&Q SS box, but no models for sale. Sunshine and Speedwitch were no shows. The only car I bought for myself was a ATSF IM WE RTR car that was discounted because of a paint blemish. We did stock up on the special Athearn "Airslide" run 'Lombard Hobbies' had done with CGW lettering.

'True Scale' had a nice looking 'mini-box displayed.

Clark Propst


Re: Tichy P&LE Rebuilt Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

Just checked the three photos of those cars I have in the computer and the sides are wider than the ends, but not just a 90 offset. Looks like they used a formed piece to connect the sides to the ends.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@...> wrote:

I think narrowing the roof was an error. I suspect the sides needed to be off-set out further from the original ends. Can anyone comment on whether the Murphy roof would have been made in different widths?

Pieter


Re: Rapido's new freight car

Clark Propst
 

Guys, I have a dozen extensively modified (with Stan's parts) IM PFE reefers. They are as close to the 49 blt Armour cars as I can get, just replaced all their roofs.
If Rapido is coming out with that car I would not be happy !
Now, if it were a GATC stock car...
The Armour reefers had brine tanks, don't know if they would stll have side drains without looking at my photos. I hope they don't. Cause then I'd have to add them....
Clark Propst


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

Clark Propst
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering Richard. Been up nortt.
You don't have to murder me. With both you and Bill saying I'll like it the suspense is killing me !

Clark Propst



On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:54 PM, rockroll50401 wrote:

Bill told me they were coming out with a freight car and we'd like
it. That's all I could get out of him about their product line.
They are coming out with a freight car, Clark, and you (especially)
will like it. But if I told you what it was, I'd have to kill you,
and that's probably a bad idea for both of us.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: True Line Trains Fowler Box Car

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Thanks Allen

----- Original Message -----
From: "ajfergusonca" <ajferguson@hydro.mb.ca>
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Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:14:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: True Line Trains Fowler Box Car

 






--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com , "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote:
The info on the Fowler models, unlike that provided on the Mini Box, does not list what stenciling schemes w ill be produced.  Does anyone have further info on this?  > I don't mind pre-ordering from my LHS, but want to be certain I have the appropriate stenciling scheme for my circa 1956 layout.

James:
The Dominion or Fowler car was a single sheath car and CPR after the 20s kept the same lettering scheme on their single sheath cars so apart from number changes they should all be the same. By 1956 there were still lots available for the grain rush and as service cars.
Allen Ferguson




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Re: Meat Reefer usage

Dave Nelson
 

AFAIK, on west coast the slaughter houses tended not to be the big Midwest
packers but local businesses. What you'd find were distribution houses for
Swift, Cudhay, Mather, Kingan, etc.

On a slightly different angle, what about military bases? In Oakland CA.
the routine needs of the entire Pacific fleet was stocked in dozens of
warehouses, including a very large, multi-story, windowless, concrete
coldhouse. Would one have seen all sorts of meat reefers there, just one
(the house w/ the Navy contract), or cars owned by the Navy?

Same question for any large military base.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Douglas Harding

In the 50's the population base (ie customers) was
still the north east, there were hungry folks everywhere. And while LA, San
Francisco and Portland OR had slaughter operations,
most meat was still coming out of the mid-west, ie Chicago, Omaha, Kansas
City, Sioux City, etc.


Re: True Line Trains Fowler Box Car

ajfergusonca <ajferguson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote:
The info on the Fowler models, unlike that provided on the Mini Box, does not list what stenciling schemes w ill be produced.  Does anyone have further info on this?  > I don't mind pre-ordering from my LHS, but want to be certain I have the appropriate stenciling scheme for my circa 1956 layout.

James:
The Dominion or Fowler car was a single sheath car and CPR after the 20s kept the same lettering scheme on their single sheath cars so apart from number changes they should all be the same. By 1956 there were still lots available for the grain rush and as service cars.
Allen Ferguson


Scale 2 rail Strasburg swap meet and train show

Rich Yoder
 

We look forward to seeing all of you O scale modelers at the show

WE have dealers of every scale O On 3 ad On30.

Sincerely, Rich Yoder



cid:102452400@13072010-21CE

Once again our train show is fast approaching.

If your friends don’t get this please pass it along.

Saturday August 7th at the Strasburg PA Fire Company

Located at 203 West Franklin street in Strasburg PA 17579

We are having our mid summer Swap meet and train show.

Doors open to the general public at 9:00 AM







Sincerely,

Rich Yoder

7 Edgedale Court

Wyomissing PA 19610-1913

Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST

610-678-2834

<http://www.richyodermodels.com> www.richyodermodels.com



RYM-Plateest 1999





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True Line Trains Fowler Box Car

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

In response to my original inquiry regarding True Line Trains' announced CP Mini Box, Bill Dixon provided a link with info:



http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/tltrains.html#XM40M


Bill Schneider pointed out that by scrolling up, info about a retooled Fowler boxcar was also mentioned. The info on the Fowler models, unlike that provided on the Mini Box, does not list what stenciling schemes w ill be produced.  Does anyone have further info on this?  I checked True Line's web site but didn't see anything.



I don't mind pre-ordering from my LHS, but want to be certain I have the appropriate stenciling scheme for my circa 1956 layout.



Thanks.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "W.R.Dixon" <WRDixon@telus.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:49:12 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CP Mini Box

 




James F. Brewer wrote:

According to the MR email newsletter, Hobby Craft announced the CP mini box at Milwaukee; anyone have any more information about when this model will be available? Did anyone attending the train show see the pre-production sample on display?
What little is known is at:

Bill Dixon


Re: SHPX 13141

Eric Hansmann
 

--- Donald Ford wrote:

Peter
I read your post about CT and Paniesville and Fraiport Harbor and the Western
Reserve.
Let me add that area is also known as the "Fire Lands" because after the
revelution that area was granted to the people from CT that were burned out by
the British during the war. Just some bit of info I picked up alonge the way.
========================


Donald,

You are correct in part of your description of The Firelands, but the area encompassed only the western-most counties of the Western Reserve; those counties west of Lorain County.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maggieoh/western.html

The entire Western Reserve hosted a network of railroads during the steam era. PRR, NYC, B&O, NKP, ERIE, and W&LE owned large fleets of freight cars that served the industrial scene. It has been fascinating to discover details on a very small portion of this network that came together in Newburgh, Ohio just south of Cleveland.
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

Hopefully I'll meet Peter sometime soon as he seems to live about 40 miles north of me and we can trade freight car building ideas.

Eric


Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio


Ref painting whisker couplers

Wayne Orion <goodheart05@...>
 

The corrugated card board should work great.  Here's an additional method that I
use.  I have a shirt cardboard, not corrugated, and have cut a matrix -- so many
rows, so many columns-- of slots just wide enough to accept the coupler shanks,
and with a section for whiskers.  I insert the couplers in the slots and then
airbrush the coupler bodies on the front of the cardboard with the desired
color.  Then flip the cardboard over and spray the shanks with lubricant.  I'm
careful to spray paint the bottom of the uncoupling arms with the body color and
then come back with a brush and grimy black paint and hand paint all of the arm
except the tip, which is left with the coupler body color to represent the
fitting at the bottom of the air line.  Since I batch process a number of
couplers this way I generally paint the front in patches, transitioning
the color from rust to black as I move from patch to patch so I end up with a
range of coupler colors for house cars, tankers, hoppers, .....  I don't worry
about segregating the patches, the over-spray from painting an adjacent patch is
more often enhancing then distracting.  This is a nice way to use up any small
quantities of paint left over from earlier projects-- only if the paint is still
fluid, you don't want to gunk up a coupler.  The final step before removing the
couplers from the cardboard is to go along with a puff bottle of dry lub and
puff a little into the interior of each coupler body, tapping the uncoupler arm
several times to spread the lub around.  When all are done, hold the cardboard
face-down over the trash can and tap it lightly so any excess lub falls out
there rather then on a model later on.

About the stamped metal centering springs on the regular couplers, maybe you
don't need to switch so many cars to whiskers.  I find the tension of the delay
spring arm (the arm with the little jink in it) is a little high for reliable
operation.  I bend that arm outward ever so slightly so that it barely touches
the rear retaining tab when at rest.  That minor adjustment seems to improve
uncoupling performance noticably and yet the return-to-center remains fine.

Happy rails-- Wayne


Re: CP Mini Box

ajfergusonca <ajferguson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald" <radepierre@...> wrote:

I would be interested in an undec product offering of these
As undec versions are on in decline, those of us who desire
this should make TLT folks aware of our market interest.
TLT was not usually interested in doing undecs.
I did an interesting experiment. I bought unlettered CN & CP cabooses from them at dealer price. MRSP was $45. I then tried to resell, including a decal set (3 different schemes)for less than MSRP price.
- Trying to encourage people to use decals-.
This spring there were regular RTR cabooses at Calgary train show for less than I paid. Why would they buy from me? The market told me that 99.9% of the people would rather have a RTR car than a unique number. If you want to reletter your going to have to remove the old lettering.
I declined to do the same with boxcars.
Ya wanna buy a CN caboose with no paint or lettering to remove?
Allen Ferguson
Black Cat Publishing


Re: CP Mini Box

gn999gn
 

I would be interested in an undec product offering of these
as I like to "roll my own" so-to-speak.

As undec versions are on in decline, those of us who desire
this should make TLT folks aware of our market interest.

Ron A. dePierre

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, bschneider424@... wrote:



TLT is doing the CP mini-box, and is estimating mid-2011 release. It will be all new tooling.


Bill Schneider


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From: "Eric" <eric@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 7:45:11 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CP Mini Box

 




Bill Dixon wrote:

What little is known is at:
http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/tltrains.html#XM40M
======================

True Line Trains listings of future "36' Dominion Box Car (Fowler)" retooled models are on the same page if you scroll up from the Mini Box details.

Eric

Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/





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