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Re: stringers

Frank Greene
 

Drawings for Southern 40 ton 1937 box cars (10000-, 260500-, 306000-) show one stringer each side of the center sill.



Tim O'Connor wrote:

The AAR 1940 Car Construction recommendation was two on each side
of the center sill. But prior to that I just don't know, and AFAIK
none of the 1937 AAR box car models has gotten it right (I mean, I
can't confirm if any of them is correct).

Tim O'Connor
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Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


sheet brass

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

It wasn't until recently that I was told that Russ Simpson had died. We bought out brass strips from him (1,000 at a time, therefore the delay). Does anyone know of another source? I'd hate to purchase a cutter for the last few months we'll be in business. - Al Westerfield


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

Andy Carlson
 

I have a good supply of Red Caboose '37 AAR roofs available for $1.75 each.
Contact me off-list if interested in particulars at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




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From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com>



"We dislike doing this but do to extremely poor individual parts sales it has
been decided to pull all parts from inventory. Sales are very slow, one of this,
one of that and almost no repeat for the same part, The cost to keep parts
available is 100s of times greater than the sales. Therefore, parts in N, HO & O
are no longer available. This does not effect undecorated kits."

Tom Madden


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Clark Propst:
Ken, Red Caboose does/did sell their roofs separately. So, order
some when you order the kit.
Not anymore. This from Red Caboose's home page (typos and all):

"We dislike doing this but do to extremely poor individual parts sales it has been decided to pull all parts from inventory. Sales are very slow, one of this, one of that and almost no repeat for the same part, The cost to keep parts available is 100s of times greater than the sales. Therefore, parts in N, HO & O are no longer available. This does not effect undecorated kits."

Tom Madden


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

Clark Propst
 

Ken, Red Caboose does/did sell their roofs separately. So, order some when you order the kit. I believe Detail West still makes a square corner 4/4 DE that should come close to fitting on the RC body.

Gentleman, Start your chainsaws ! It's time to whack and hack !!
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@...> wrote:

The series I want to replicate is the 8501-8750 cars with Dreadnaught ends and Standard Improved (raised panel?) roofs, purchased in 1934. These bodies were the ARA pattern, which I understand Red Caboose still does as an undec kit. I see this kit comes with a flat panel roof, so I want to get some replacement raised non-diagonal panel roofs. Are they made by somebody and can I get a couple?

Ken O'Brien


Re: stringers

Andy Carlson
 

Look at the Branchline shake-the-box (Yardmaster) '37 AAR boxcar-it has a single
stringer along each side of the center sill.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>

The AAR 1940 Car Construction recommendation was two on each side
of the center sill. But prior to that I just don't know, and AFAIK
none of the 1937 AAR box car models has gotten it right (I mean, I
can't confirm if any of them is correct).


Re: stringers

Tim O'Connor
 

Staffan if you ever find out please let us know! :-)

The AAR 1940 Car Construction recommendation was two on each side
of the center sill. But prior to that I just don't know, and AFAIK
none of the 1937 AAR box car models has gotten it right (I mean, I
can't confirm if any of them is correct).

Tim O'Connor

Would anyone know how many stringers were under the floor of IC box cars series 17000-18999 blt 1938? Two or four?

Staffan Ehnbom


Re: Raised panel roof replacement

Tim O'Connor
 

The LNE 8001-8500 series used the 1923 ARA side pattern. Red Caboose
did these correctly as unmodified cars. Later Red Caboose released
"patched" cars in black LNE billboard paint, but the patched RC body
uses the X29 side pattern so it is incorrect for LNE 8001-8500.

According to a Greg Bartek email of 11/12/2005 (RPM-Forum] not all of
the flat-roof cars received replacement roofs. But I haven't seen any
photos of flat-roof cars in the 1950's, yet.

Tim O'Connor

You are correct Tom. I have too many models in my head. Regardless the correct roof
is available with Speedwitch's kit. I am not sure if LNE used the X29 or "1923" style
of body but I am sure the Speedwitch kit has the correct part.

The MEC kit comes with a choice of roofs.

Bill Welch


Re: Reefer Storage

rwitt_2000
 

Bob,

I once observed a string of "bad order" boxcars on the B&O in storage at
Caseyville, Illinois in ~1962 that stretched for a mile or more without
any breaks. These, of course, were all steel-sheathed with wood linings
with lots of class M-26 ARA boxcars.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Bob Chaparro wrote:

I understand that on some railroads wood sheathed refrigerator cars
were parked in groups of five for extended storage . The groups were
separated by a space to inhibit the spread of fire in the string of
stored cars.

Would this also have been the case for steel sheathed cars with wood
interiors? Were other kinds of cars stored in this manner?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Reefer Storage

Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

I understand that on some railroads wood sheathed refrigerator cars were parked in groups of five for extended storage . The groups were separated by a space to inhibit the spread of fire in the string of stored cars.

Would this also have been the case for steel sheathed cars with wood interiors? Were other kinds of cars stored in this manner?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Well, Speedwitch offers them with their MEC re-roofed kits, but I don't know if Ted would sell them separately. You'll need new ends, too. Red Caboose doesn't offer the ARA body with dreadnaught ends, and the dreadnaught ends they do on the X29 body wouldn't be correct anyway. They're 3-3 inverse dreadnaughts, while the LNE cars used 4-4 dreadnaughts.

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@...> wrote:

Gentlemen, thank you for your inputs. The LNE series that Speedwitch does is the 8201-8500 panel end cars. The railroad put raised, diagonal panel roofs on these cars in the late 1940's. I have one of these very nice models. Can't wait to pitch in to this one.

The series I want to replicate is the 8501-8750 cars with Dreadnaught ends and Standard Improved (raised panel?) roofs, purchased in 1934. These bodies were the ARA pattern, which I understand Red Caboose still does as an undec kit. I see this kit comes with a flat panel roof, so I want to get some replacement raised non-diagonal panel roofs. Are they made by somebody and can I get a couple?

Ken O'Brien


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

Ken O'Brien
 

Gentlemen, thank you for your inputs. The LNE series that Speedwitch does is the 8201-8500 panel end cars. The railroad put raised, diagonal panel roofs on these cars in the late 1940's. I have one of these very nice models. Can't wait to pitch in to this one.

The series I want to replicate is the 8501-8750 cars with Dreadnaught ends and Standard Improved (raised panel?) roofs, purchased in 1934. These bodies were the ARA pattern, which I understand Red Caboose still does as an undec kit. I see this kit comes with a flat panel roof, so I want to get some replacement raised non-diagonal panel roofs. Are they made by somebody and can I get a couple?

Ken O'Brien


Re: stringers

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Staffan Ehnbom wrote:

Would anyone know how many stringers were under the floor of IC box
cars series 17000-18999 blt 1938? Two or four?
Staffan,
I don't know for sure without checking, but general arrangement and
brake arrangement drawings for these cars are at the Museum of
Transportation. They are AC&F drawing no. 6152497 and 6152498,
respectively. I can check on this the next time I visit the MOT, but I
don't know when that will be.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


stringers

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Would anyone know how many stringers were under the floor of IC box cars series 17000-18999 blt 1938? Two or four?

Staffan Ehnbom


Re: Sushine Kits for Sale

reporterllc
 

I forgot to mention: Please contact me off the list.


Sushine Kits for Sale

reporterllc
 

I have one Texas & Pacific 40' fixed end Gondola w/dreadnaught ends kit number 67.17

and one Milwaukee 1939-40 Ribbed Box Car "Hiawatha" w/wood board kit number #41.1

The kits retail for $36 and $38 respectively.

I am asking $65.00 total with free shipping in the continental U.S.

I WILL ACCEPT PAYPAL ONLY.

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: Raised panel roof replacement

Bill Welch
 

You are correct Tom. I have too many models in my head. Regardless the correct roof is available with Speedwitch's kit. I am not sure if LNE used the X29 or "1923" style of body but I am sure the Speedwitch kit has the correct part.

The MEC kit comes with a choice of roofs.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pullmanboss" <tcmadden@...> wrote:

Here's what Ted's web site says about the LNE re-roofed cars:

"The LNE started later [than the MEC], using the diagonal version exclusively (the LNE did buy NEW ARA cars in 1934 that used rectangular panel roofs and Dreadnaught ends, but those cars should not be confused with these more numerous, re-roofed cars.)"

So, the LNE flat-ended re-roofed ARA boxcars use the diagonal panel roof only. That's what's in my two Speedwitch kits of those cars.

Tom Madden


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@> wrote:

Dear Ken

I did the pattern Ted used in his modernized LNE car using the RC X29/1923 kit and I am mystified as to which LNE kit you are referring to from Speedwitch as I think he only offers the rebuilt version with the Murphy roof.

My pattern involved narrowing a styrene Murphy roof (Branchline, with permission) and using the roof furnished with the RC kit as a base to glue it to. I am leaving out details but as to what I did to the kit roof to prepare it as a base because I am too lazy to type them.

The same roof, plus a diagonal paneled which I also did can be come in two versions of a Maine Central re-roofing. I need to redo the pattern for the CNJ rebuild.

Does this help?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@> wrote:

I'd like to change the roof of some of my Lehigh & New England Red Caboose X-29 type cars. The last series of L&NE boxes were delivered with raised panel roofs. The original style flat roof leaked and since the LNE hauled bagged cement, better water-tight roofs were needed. I have a Speedwitch conversion kit for an older series LNE car and this started me thinking of this conversion.
The few car pictures I've seen aren't real definitive. I suppose they used a Murphy raised panel roof; these were used by other roads in that area. These roofs had the raised rectangular panels between the roof ribs.

Does anyone make a drop-in replacement roof? I'd like at least two. Thanks.

Ken O'Brien


Re: Raised panel roof replacement

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Here's what Ted's web site says about the LNE re-roofed cars:

"The LNE started later [than the MEC], using the diagonal version exclusively (the LNE did buy NEW ARA cars in 1934 that used rectangular panel roofs and Dreadnaught ends, but those cars should not be confused with these more numerous, re-roofed cars.)"

So, the LNE flat-ended re-roofed ARA boxcars use the diagonal panel roof only. That's what's in my two Speedwitch kits of those cars.

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Dear Ken

I did the pattern Ted used in his modernized LNE car using the RC X29/1923 kit and I am mystified as to which LNE kit you are referring to from Speedwitch as I think he only offers the rebuilt version with the Murphy roof.

My pattern involved narrowing a styrene Murphy roof (Branchline, with permission) and using the roof furnished with the RC kit as a base to glue it to. I am leaving out details but as to what I did to the kit roof to prepare it as a base because I am too lazy to type them.

The same roof, plus a diagonal paneled which I also did can be come in two versions of a Maine Central re-roofing. I need to redo the pattern for the CNJ rebuild.

Does this help?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@> wrote:

I'd like to change the roof of some of my Lehigh & New England Red Caboose X-29 type cars. The last series of L&NE boxes were delivered with raised panel roofs. The original style flat roof leaked and since the LNE hauled bagged cement, better water-tight roofs were needed. I have a Speedwitch conversion kit for an older series LNE car and this started me thinking of this conversion.
The few car pictures I've seen aren't real definitive. I suppose they used a Murphy raised panel roof; these were used by other roads in that area. These roofs had the raised rectangular panels between the roof ribs.

Does anyone make a drop-in replacement roof? I'd like at least two. Thanks.

Ken O'Brien


Re: Kingan in San Francisco

Douglas Harding
 

Thanks Garth, my information on Kingan is minimal, the plant locations I have come from documents shortly after WWII. I didn't
show anything west of Omaha. Kingan and Company opened in 1863 in Indianapolis. Kingan was purchased by HyGrade about 1962. I
think HyGrade closed down about 1981.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Raised panel roof replacement

boyds1949 <E27ca@...>
 

Quick Question. Do the LNE cars use the X-29 body or were they built to the ARA design? Two photos in "The Lehigh and New England Railroad" by Douglas Lilly (p 62 and 115)showing 8367 (flat end) and 8641 (dreadnaught end) both appear to show the ARA side panel placement.

The factory pained RC car I have uses the X-29 body but I think that is wrong.

John King

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Dear Ken

I did the pattern Ted used in his modernized LNE car using the RC X29/1923 kit and I am mystified as to which LNE kit you are referring to from Speedwitch as I think he only offers the rebuilt version with the Murphy roof.

My pattern involved narrowing a styrene Murphy roof (Branchline, with permission) and using the roof furnished with the RC kit as a base to glue it to. I am leaving out details but as to what I did to the kit roof to prepare it as a base because I am too lazy to type them.

The same roof, plus a diagonal paneled which I also did can be come in two versions of a Maine Central re-roofing. I need to redo the pattern for the CNJ rebuild.

Does this help?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@> wrote:

I'd like to change the roof of some of my Lehigh & New England Red Caboose X-29 type cars. The last series of L&NE boxes were delivered with raised panel roofs. The original style flat roof leaked and since the LNE hauled bagged cement, better water-tight roofs were needed. I have a Speedwitch conversion kit for an older series LNE car and this started me thinking of this conversion.
The few car pictures I've seen aren't real definitive. I suppose they used a Murphy raised panel roof; these were used by other roads in that area. These roofs had the raised rectangular panels between the roof ribs.

Does anyone make a drop-in replacement roof? I'd like at least two. Thanks.

Ken O'Brien

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