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Re: roofs and ends [Was: Grand Truck Western Box Cars]

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 29, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

I wrote:
....Yes, Staffan, IIRC the diagonal panel roof was introduced early
in 1949,
Richard Hendrickson responded:
Actually, 1948
Like Ed Hawkins, I'm not aware of any cars built in 1948 with
the IDE. Do you know of some, Richard?
Yes, some cars were built for the NYC with diagonal panel roofs very
late in 1948, with deliveries continuing into 1949.

I also stated that the improved Dreadnaught end came in 1944. Richard
commented:
AFAIK, the last box cars with prewar style Dreadnaught ends were
built for the Detroit & Mackinac in 1947.
That may well be the LAST of the older ends, but I think we
were addressing the FIRST of the newer ends. The Standard Railway
Equipment Co. drawing for that end is dated in mid-1944, which was the
basis for my statement. Ed Hawkins may well be right that no new cars
received the end until 1945.
That's correct to the best of my knowledge. I was merely pointing
out that not all railroads embraced new design features as soon as
they were introduced.

Richard Hendrickson


microscale #175

EdS <eshoben@...>
 

Jim-

www.crstrains.com/ho_scale/microscale_decals_ho_scale_page_03.html

with whom I have no affiliation has them listed for US$5. I have no idea what the shipping cost would be to BC. Hope this helps. Regards, Ed


Re: MicroScale -HELP-

Brian Carlson
 

I learned years ago, that all the local shops around here say "this or that
decal is out of stock" which translates to 'it is not worth my time to order
it for you since after shipping I make no money on decal orders because
there are so few of you model railroaders decaling your own stuff."



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@yahoo.com


roofs and ends [Was: Grand Truck Western Box Cars]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I wrote:
....Yes, Staffan, IIRC the diagonal panel roof was introduced early in 1949,
Richard Hendrickson responded:
Actually, 1948
Like Ed Hawkins, I'm not aware of any cars built in 1948 with the IDE. Do you know of some, Richard?

I also stated that the improved Dreadnaught end came in 1944. Richard commented:
AFAIK, the last box cars with prewar style Dreadnaught ends were built for the Detroit & Mackinac in 1947.
That may well be the LAST of the older ends, but I think we were addressing the FIRST of the newer ends. The Standard Railway Equipment Co. drawing for that end is dated in mid-1944, which was the basis for my statement. Ed Hawkins may well be right that no new cars received the end until 1945.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Gentlemen, Thank you all for the inputs and re-directing me on the ends. Looks like the Red Caboose 7003 body will do the correct sides for the 8501-8750 series. I also see that Detail Associates makes a pretty close 4/5 Dreadnaught end for me. Hope its close to the correct height.
Ken, you'll need 4/4 dreadnaught ends for the LNE cars.

Tom Madden, remembering when the Alpha cement plant yards was full of 'em.


Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

....Yes, Staffan, IIRC the diagonal panel roof was introduced early
in 1949,
Actually, 1948

the improved Dreadnaught end in 1944 (though not universal in
construction until about 1946). Someone may have exact dates.
AFAIK, the last box cars with prewar style Dreadnaught ends were
built for the Detroit & Mackinac in 1947.

....I'm not
sure when the W-corner post end first was used,
Union Pacific R-50-24s in 1939

but the AAR modified
the 1937 box car in 1940 to include this end. So a sharp-cornered
Dreadnaught end with a DP roof would certainly seem to indicate
rebuilding.
Yes. The IC cars built ca. 1939 had 5-5 square cornered ends and
rectangular panel Murphy roofs, so a car with a diagonal panel roof
would have to have been retrofitted with it after 1948.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: sheet brass

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I think K&S will do custom cuts in quantity. Check their website.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Al and Patricia Westerfield
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:56 AM
Subject: [STMFC] sheet brass



It wasn't until recently that I was told that Russ Simpson had died. We bought out brass strips from him (1,000 at a time, therefore the delay). Does anyone know of another source? I'd hate to purchase a cutter for the last few months we'll be in business. - Al Westerfield


Tahoe Model Works HO Trucks

Andy Carlson
 

I have all nine of Tahoe Model Works trucks available (with semi-scale
wheelsets), fresh stock. I also have all nine trucks available with no
wheelsets. I beat the price increase, so no change in past prices. Contact me
off-list, please if interested. I accept PayPal and checks. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>


Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 29, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Staffan Ehnbom wrote:

I think I got stuck on the '37 date thinking that to be a 10'0 inside
height car. I guess the 10'6 inside height indicates it is a modified
'37 built in the very late thirties or early forties. But the 5/5
early dreadnaught ends and diagonal panel roof seems to be a bit of an
unusual combination too. I have a hunch improved dreadnaught ends came
a bit earlier than the diagonal roof panels. In this case perhaps the
car received new roof panels at rebuilding?
Staffan,
The earliest use of a diagonal panel roof I've found documented by
photo or other technical data is March 1948, which happens to be on 40'
box cars for your beloved Great Northern Railway (GN
10900-11374/2525-2549). A photo of GN 11304 and the GN diagram for this
series confirms the diagonal panel roof. The first occurrence I've
found of an Improved Dreadnaught End was some three years earlier on
NYC 175000-175499 (Lot 737-B) built in Feb. 1945.

I will appreciate knowing if anyone has evidence of earlier uses of
diagonal panel roofs and/or Improved Dreadnaught Ends.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: MicroScale -HELP-

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

Just order them direct. Simply go to the Microscale site, go to NdeM
and click on 87-175 and you will see that you can purchase the set for
$6.50 and there are 71 sets in stock.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Jim Peters <mikado2206@hotmail.com> 07/29/10 4:31 PM >>>
Gentlemen,



I need a little HELP . . . I model the NdeM and I've searched all the
local hobby shops for MicroScale #87-175 with no luck. I'm told they
are no longer printed (a point I've not verified). Next time your at
your local hobby shop would you mind taking a quick look through the
decals and see if they have a set. If so would you notify me OFF LIST
with their email address. I would sincerely appreciate it.



Many thanks,



Jim Peters

Coquitlam, BC

CANADA






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Re: sheet brass

proto48er
 

Al -

I have a couple of Di-Acro shears tuned up to cut thin brass shimstock (half hard). What thickness and what dimensions do you need? Have a 12" shear and a 36" shear (a second 36" shear is down for modification of the holddown to cut thin angle and Z stock), but the 12" one cuts best. All three have freshly sharpened blades. I also have a 6" roller and an 18" roller to flatten out rolled shimstock, if that is what you use for material.

I am an "O" scale guy, so have no idea what kind of brass stuff goes in your kits??

Let me know the details - looks like it will be good exercise!!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

It wasn't until recently that I was told that Russ Simpson had died. We bought out brass strips from him (1,000 at a time, therefore the delay). Does anyone know of another source? I'd hate to purchase a cutter for the last few months we'll be in business. - Al Westerfield



Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Staffan Ehnbom wrote:
I think I got stuck on the '37 date thinking that to be a 10'0 inside height car. I guess the 10'6 inside height indicates it is a modified '37 built in the very late thirties or early forties. But the 5/5 early dreadnaught ends and diagonal panel roof seems to be a bit of an unusual combination too. I have a hunch improved dreadnaught ends came a bit earlier than the diagonal roof panels. In this case perhaps the car received new roof panels at rebuilding?
Yes, Staffan, IIRC the diagonal panel roof was introduced early in 1949, the improved Dreadnaught end in 1944 (though not universal in construction until about 1946). Someone may have exact dates. I'm not sure when the W-corner post end first was used, but the AAR modified the 1937 box car in 1940 to include this end. So a sharp-cornered Dreadnaught end with a DP roof would certainly seem to indicate rebuilding.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

I think I got stuck on the '37 date thinking that to be a 10'0 inside height car. I guess the 10'6 inside height indicates it is a modified '37 built in the very late thirties or early forties. But the 5/5 early dreadnaught ends and diagonal panel roof seems to be a bit of an unusual combination too. I have a hunch improved dreadnaught ends came a bit earlier than the diagonal roof panels. In this case perhaps the car received new roof panels at rebuilding?

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Cc: bbfcl@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars



Staffan

Catching up on old emails.... Andy is partly correct -- these cars
were rebuilt from modified 1937 AAR box cars with 5/5 ends and 10'6"
inside height. I have a later photo that shows the ends and roof and
a new number series in the Good Track paint scheme.

Tim O'Connor

==================================================================

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170492085140

Are you sure? It seems to have diagonal panel roof and a 10'6 interior
height, seems aq little more recent than '37.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

The 40' plug door car has early Dreadnaught ends. Obviously rebuilt from a
single door 10 panel '37 AAR boxcar.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: MicroScale -HELP-

Jim Hayes
 

Jim, Microscale shows 71 in stock. I'd say order direct but they have a $20
minimum.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Jim Peters <mikado2206@hotmail.com> wrote:




Gentlemen,

I need a little HELP . . . I model the NdeM and I've searched all the local
hobby shops for MicroScale #87-175 with no luck. I'm told they are no longer
printed (a point I've not verified). Next time your at your local hobby shop
would you mind taking a quick look through the decals and see if they have a
set. If so would you notify me OFF LIST with their email address. I would
sincerely appreciate it.

Many thanks,

Jim Peters

Coquitlam, BC

CANADA


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MicroScale -HELP-

jim peters
 

Gentlemen,



I need a little HELP . . . I model the NdeM and I've searched all the local hobby shops for MicroScale #87-175 with no luck. I'm told they are no longer printed (a point I've not verified). Next time your at your local hobby shop would you mind taking a quick look through the decals and see if they have a set. If so would you notify me OFF LIST with their email address. I would sincerely appreciate it.



Many thanks,



Jim Peters

Coquitlam, BC

CANADA


Re: sheet brass

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
It wasn't until recently that I was told that Russ Simpson had died. We bought out brass strips from him (1,000 at a time, therefore the delay). Does anyone know of another source? I'd hate to purchase a cutter for the last few months we'll be in business.
I bought lots of No. 5 turnouts from Russ, along with his very nice wye turnouts. Hopefully I have a sufficient stock that I can finish the layout now under construction. But Al raises a good point: has anyone heard of a purchaser for Russ's business? It was a good line and we can hope that it won't vanish.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


PRR G24

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Good day,
I'm currently building a Sunshine #92.4 PRR G24 gon for Auto frame loading.
The kit includes castings for the supporting frame for the load. However there is no good photo showing the proper assembly of the frame rack.
Can someone point me to a good photo of this frame?
Thanks,
Pierre Oliver


Re: Raised panel roof replacements

Ken O'Brien
 

Gentlemen, Thank you all for the inputs and re-directing me on the ends. Looks like the Red Caboose 7003 body will do the correct sides for the 8501-8750 series. I also see that Detail Associates makes a pretty close 4/5 Dreadnaught end for me. Hope its close to the correct height.

Ken

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

Ken, Red Caboose does/did sell their roofs separately. So, order some when you order the kit. I believe Detail West still makes a square corner 4/4 DE that should come close to fitting on the RC body.

Gentleman, Start your chainsaws ! It's time to whack and hack !!
Clark Propst


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@> wrote:

The series I want to replicate is the 8501-8750 cars with Dreadnaught ends and Standard Improved (raised panel?) roofs, purchased in 1934. These bodies were the ARA pattern, which I understand Red Caboose still does as an undec kit. I see this kit comes with a flat panel roof, so I want to get some replacement raised non-diagonal panel roofs. Are they made by somebody and can I get a couple?

Ken O'Brien


Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Staffan

Catching up on old emails.... Andy is partly correct -- these cars
were rebuilt from modified 1937 AAR box cars with 5/5 ends and 10'6"
inside height. I have a later photo that shows the ends and roof and
a new number series in the Good Track paint scheme.

Tim O'Connor

==================================================================

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170492085140

Are you sure? It seems to have diagonal panel roof and a 10'6 interior
height, seems aq little more recent than '37.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Grand Truck Western (GTW) Box Cars

The 40' plug door car has early Dreadnaught ends. Obviously rebuilt from a
single door 10 panel '37 AAR boxcar.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: L&NE 8001-8500 (was Raised panel roof replacement)

Tim O'Connor
 

Oops!! Sorry.

My bad John -- I just double checked my LNE #8208 (RC 7014-1) and
indeed it does have the 1928 X29 rivet pattern! This is also the
rivet pattern Red Caboose redid with a patched side, so as far as
I know the patched RC sides are only correct for some PRR cars and
all the factory painted L&NE cars are wrong.

It's hard to keep track of all these rivet patterns since RC did
such a bang up job of random mixing and matching after going to
the trouble of making three different, and correct, body styles
(1923 ARA/M-26, 1924 X29/M-26b, 1928 X29).

Tim O'Connor

Thanks. I will keep my eyes open for the correct ones when visiting
hobby shops. They apparently have done the red cars both ways. The kit
I have is RC-7014-4 and, unfortunately, it is done on the X-29 body with
no patch panels. My plan was to buy one of the Speedwitch kits for the
decals, use a flat roof from another kit and paint it in the red color.

John King


--- Tim O'Connor wrote:

The LNE 8001-8500 series used the 1923 ARA side pattern. Red Caboose
did these correctly as unmodified cars. Later Red Caboose released
"patched" cars in black LNE billboard paint, but the patched RC body
uses the X29 side pattern so it is incorrect for LNE 8001-8500.

According to a Greg Bartek email of 11/12/2005 (RPM-Forum] not all of
the flat-roof cars received replacement roofs. But I haven't seen any
photos of flat-roof cars in the 1950's, yet.

Tim O'Connor


You are correct Tom. I have too many models in my head. Regardless the correct roof
is available with Speedwitch's kit. I am not sure if LNE used the X29 or "1923" style
of body but I am sure the Speedwitch kit has the correct part.

The MEC kit comes with a choice of roofs.

Bill Welch

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