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Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Paul Lyons
 

Tom,

I have all three of the different special run 1937 T&P IMWX models that Ed Hawkins did long ago. The paint alone is why I bought them. It is really accurate when compared to the photos. However, the one thing Ed did not do with these kits is to have IMWX re-tool the doors with the correct Union Duplex hardware. Back to the Joe Pennington resin replacement doors we were talking about a month or so ago! Hint, hint.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 3:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars




Nate, Intermountain's ends are W or round corner with no separate square corner ones available. You want the Red Caboose square corner one. Ed Hawkins had a run made back when Jerry Porter still owned IMWX before selling the dies to RC.

Jerry Glow
I remember visiting Jerry Porter when he was setting that job up. He was agonizing over the lettering - the numbers in particular - and showed me prototype photos with significant variation in the number "fonts". It was almost as if the number stencils were cut free-hand. I'm sure there were templates and design guidelines but, as with many things railroad, the worker with the hammer or paintbrush in his hand often had more to do with how a piece of equipment looked than the draftsman who prepared the drawings back at headquarters.

Tom Madden







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Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Paul Lyons
 

Joe,

Let's put this statement in context! Extending and making "deeper" side sills is only required for modeling the mid 50's re-builds! The IMWX/RC square corner model is CORRECT for the "as delivered" car.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Jacques <bowie1793@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] T&P 1937 AAR boxcars






In addition to the square corner ends previously mentioned, the side sill needs to be extended to the right of the door, to the next cross member, with strip styrene. See RPCYC 3 page 45.

Joe Jacques

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Nathan <obermeyern@...> wrote:

From: Nathan <obermeyern@...>
Subject: [STMFC] T&P 1937 AAR boxcars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 2:44 PM



I recently picked up an Intermountain 1937 AAR boxcar kit and I want to build it for a T&P 40000 series model. The MPHS Eagle article states that the cars had square corner posts. Does the Intermountain car have this type of corner posts or do I need to look elsewhere for the correct ends of the boxcar? The ends supplied has the correct 4/5 Dreadnaught end I just don't know if has a square corner post. If it doesn't have the correct corner post, is there a Branchline or a Red Caboose part that will work for it? Thank you,

Nate

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Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

bowie1793
 

In addition to the square corner ends previously mentioned, the side sill needs to be extended to the right of the door, to the next cross member, with strip styrene. See RPCYC 3 page 45.
 
Joe Jacques

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Nathan <obermeyern@...> wrote:


From: Nathan <obermeyern@...>
Subject: [STMFC] T&P 1937 AAR boxcars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 2:44 PM


 



I recently picked up an Intermountain 1937 AAR boxcar kit and I want to build it for a T&P 40000 series model. The MPHS Eagle article states that the cars had square corner posts. Does the Intermountain car have this type of corner posts or do I need to look elsewhere for the correct ends of the boxcar? The ends supplied has the correct 4/5 Dreadnaught end I just don't know if has a square corner post. If it doesn't have the correct corner post, is there a Branchline or a Red Caboose part that will work for it? Thank you,

Nate











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Re: rebuilt P&LE/PMcY gondolas with extended sides

Eric Hansmann
 

Ed,

I believe a similar car is featured in Kline & Culotta's "Postwar Freight Car Fleet" on page 187. The caption reads, "P&LE Lot 326-G 45239 (4500-46999) built as a wood-sided gondola by Standard Steel Car Co. in March 1916. NYC Lines installed 10,500 similar gondolas between 1911 and 1916. Sidestake spacers were used to increase the inside width when the wood sides were replaced with steel. (Image taken at) PRR yards at North St., Harrisburg, August 17, 1947."

Just from a cursory review of the NYC freight car roster detail on Terry Link's Canada Southern pages, it seems that Lot #'s 325-G, 326-G, 331-G, 332-G, 333-G, 334-G, 335-G, and 336-G were built to a similar design and total 7000 cars. Here's a builders image of a Lot 334-G gondola:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-346078.jpg

This gondola design is on my wish list for resin or plastic production.

Eric



Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926.
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

Can anyone point me to some good photos of P&LE gondolas built as composite gons around WWI and rebuilt with extended steel sides?

If I'm not mistaken these cars were 46-48 ft. long and have some kind of spacers so that the width of the cars increased.

I have the P&LE gon book. As I recall one of the few photos of these cars is one in MOW service from John LaRue.

Ed


Re: 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

Bryan Busséy
 

Actually the link did not have the full URL when clicked. If you do a
copy/paste, it works. The seller has a number of the 1946 CBC available
for sale. I also checked the website listed (www.vintageliterature.ca)
, and they have it for sale as well for the same price.

__
bb

On 8/8/2010 11:16 PM, larrywolohon@... wrote:



This maybe old news, but I just tried to use the link to go to E-bay &
a message came up that this item is no longer listed. For what, based
on what I have read here maybe some copyright infringement or
something like this legalese.

Larry W.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...
<mailto:shile%40mindspring.com>>
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>,
PassengerCarList@...
<mailto:PassengerCarList%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 2:59:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD



Was browsing for something else and bumped into this. I don't recall it
being discussed before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-Car-Builders-Cyclopedia-Railroad-History-DVD-/25066

2689316?pt=Model_RR_Trains

I don't know anything more about the seller, etc.

Steve Hile

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Net Railway Operating Revenues Comparison of the W&Le to other roads

Brian Carlson
 

I have a file containing the comparisons of the W&LE operating revenue to
other Eastern and mid western and well and western RR' in the 1940-1941
timeframe, the file also has some 1942 and 43 data but very limited. The
file is obviously an accounting department file with original ledger sheets
written in pencil and typed carbon letters and additional information. It
doesn't contain commodity information which is what I was looking for. I
figure it may interest someone on the list. I looking for $6 to cover
mailing it. Contact me off list if interested.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

Larry Wolohon
 

This maybe old news, but I just tried to use the link to go to E-bay & a message came up that this item is no longer listed. For what, based on what I have read here maybe some copyright infringement or something like this legalese.



Larry W.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...>
To: STMFC@..., PassengerCarList@...
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 2:59:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

 




Was browsing for something else and bumped into this. I don't recall it
being discussed before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-Car-Builders-Cyclopedia-Railroad-History-DVD-/25066
2689316?pt=Model_RR_Trains

I don't know anything more about the seller, etc.

Steve Hile


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

rwitt_2000
 

Tom Madden wrote:
I remember visiting Jerry Porter when he was setting that job up. He
was agonizing over the lettering - the numbers in particular - and
showed me prototype photos with significant variation in the number
"fonts". It was almost as if the number stencils were cut free-hand. I'm
sure there were templates and design guidelines but, as with many things
railroad, the worker with the hammer or paintbrush in his hand often had
more to do with how a piece of equipment looked than the draftsman who
prepared the drawings back at headquarters.

Here are two photos of stencils applied to a C&NW boxcar and workmen
spraying paint through the openings.

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d23688/

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d23687/

Bob Witt


FW: STMFC problems

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Gang,
Can any of you relate to this "email" problem?
Please read below.
Sincerely,
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST
610-678-2834
www.richyodermodels.com

est 1999

-----Original Message-----
From: mike brock [mailto:brockm@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:45 PM
To: Richard Yoder
Subject: Re: STMFC problems

Hi, Rich,

Well...thank goodness for small favors. I only receive one message.

Interestingly, however, I do get 2 from a couple of people. No telling what
is generating them.

Mike


Hi Mike,
For what it's worth I don't know if this is a server problem

on your end but - I receive all emails from the (STMFC) 5 times. This stared

happening about two weeks ago and I thought you should know about it.
I belong to many yahoo chat groups and have never encountered this problem
with any other group.
Sincerely,
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST
610-678-2834
www.richyodermodels.com

est 1999


Re: 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

Tim O'Connor
 

A fellow named Bob Smith was selling CBC's in PDF format at Naperville
back in 1999. He did NOT have permission from Simmons-Boardman, and he
stopped selling them after someone warned him that he might be sued.

I managed to get the 1940 and 1957 versions from him -- but even though
they are in PDF format, they are really only image files -- you cannot
search for text matches!

What does the seller of this 1946 DVD say about text searches?

Tim O'Connor

Very interesting. I thought Simmons-Boardman kept a tight leash on their copyrighted material. This is in the fine print at the bottom of the listing page:

"Use our scanned images for research or school projects,..."

Is this seeming restriction sufficient to keep it within the Fair Use realm? Sure is a lot of steam era material there, and at a way lower cost than a printed '46 Cyc.

Tom Madden

--- Steve Hile wrote:

Was browsing for something else and bumped into this. I don't recall it
being discussed before.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-Car-Builders-Cyclopedia-Railroad-History-DVD-/250662689316


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Nate

Ed Hawkins had IMWX produce at least three different lettering variations
of these cars, and all of them were excellent. They also came with special
instructions for mounting the brake gear, because T&P mounted the reservoir
tranversely.

Tim O'Connor

Nate, Intermountain's ends are W or round corner with no separate square corner ones available. You want the Red Caboose square corner one. Ed Hawkins had a run made back when Jerry Porter still owned IMWX before selling the dies to RC.

Jerry Glow
I remember visiting Jerry Porter when he was setting that job up. He was agonizing over the lettering - the numbers in particular - and showed me prototype photos with significant variation in the number "fonts". It was almost as if the number stencils were cut free-hand. I'm sure there were templates and design guidelines but, as with many things railroad, the worker with the hammer or paintbrush in his hand often had more to do with how a piece of equipment looked than the draftsman who prepared the drawings back at headquarters.

Tom Madden


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Andy Carlson
 

If anyone needs a source for a Red Caboose #8001 square corner '37 AAR boxcar,
please be advised that I currently have 8 undecs in my inventory. If interested,
please contact me off-list at <midcentury@...>. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

George Hollwedel
 

Unless it is N Scale where Intermountain makes both styles.

George Hollwedel

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...> wrote:

From: jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 4:49 PM
Nate, Intermountain's ends are W or
round corner with no separate square corner ones available.
You want the Red Caboose square corner one. Ed Hawkins had a
run made back when Jerry Porter still owned IMWX before
selling the dies to RC.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@...,
"Nathan" <obermeyern@...> wrote:

I recently picked up an Intermountain 1937 AAR boxcar
kit and I want to build it for a T&P 40000 series
model.  The MPHS Eagle article states that the cars had
square corner posts.  Does the Intermountain car have
this type of corner posts or do I need to look elsewhere for
the correct ends of the boxcar?  The ends supplied has
the correct 4/5 Dreadnaught end I just don't know if has a
square corner post.  If it doesn't have the correct
corner post, is there a Branchline or a Red Caboose part
that will work for it?  Thank you,

Nate



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Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Nate, Intermountain's ends are W or round corner with no separate square corner ones available. You want the Red Caboose square corner one. Ed Hawkins had a run made back when Jerry Porter still owned IMWX before selling the dies to RC.

Jerry Glow
I remember visiting Jerry Porter when he was setting that job up. He was agonizing over the lettering - the numbers in particular - and showed me prototype photos with significant variation in the number "fonts". It was almost as if the number stencils were cut free-hand. I'm sure there were templates and design guidelines but, as with many things railroad, the worker with the hammer or paintbrush in his hand often had more to do with how a piece of equipment looked than the draftsman who prepared the drawings back at headquarters.

Tom Madden


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

jerryglow2
 

Nate, Intermountain's ends are W or round corner with no separate square corner ones available. You want the Red Caboose square corner one. Ed Hawkins had a run made back when Jerry Porter still owned IMWX before selling the dies to RC.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Nathan" <obermeyern@...> wrote:

I recently picked up an Intermountain 1937 AAR boxcar kit and I want to build it for a T&P 40000 series model. The MPHS Eagle article states that the cars had square corner posts. Does the Intermountain car have this type of corner posts or do I need to look elsewhere for the correct ends of the boxcar? The ends supplied has the correct 4/5 Dreadnaught end I just don't know if has a square corner post. If it doesn't have the correct corner post, is there a Branchline or a Red Caboose part that will work for it? Thank you,

Nate


T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Nathan Obermeyer
 

I recently picked up an Intermountain 1937 AAR boxcar kit and I want to build it for a T&P 40000 series model. The MPHS Eagle article states that the cars had square corner posts. Does the Intermountain car have this type of corner posts or do I need to look elsewhere for the correct ends of the boxcar? The ends supplied has the correct 4/5 Dreadnaught end I just don't know if has a square corner post. If it doesn't have the correct corner post, is there a Branchline or a Red Caboose part that will work for it? Thank you,

Nate


Re: 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Very interesting. I thought Simmons-Boardman kept a tight leash on their copyrighted material. This is in the fine print at the bottom of the listing page:

"Use our scanned images for research or school projects,..."

Is this seeming restriction sufficient to keep it within the Fair Use realm? Sure is a lot of steam era material there, and at a way lower cost than a printed '46 Cyc.

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...> wrote:

Was browsing for something else and bumped into this. I don't recall it
being discussed before.



http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-Car-Builders-Cyclopedia-Railroad-History-DVD-/25066
2689316?pt=Model_RR_Trains



I don't know anything more about the seller, etc.



Steve Hile



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1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Was browsing for something else and bumped into this. I don't recall it
being discussed before.



http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-Car-Builders-Cyclopedia-Railroad-History-DVD-/25066
2689316?pt=Model_RR_Trains



I don't know anything more about the seller, etc.



Steve Hile


ADMIN: Re: free stuff

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Ed Mines writes:


Would any of you gents like some free kits? It would mostly be blue box
specials but maybe you'd be lucky and get an Ambroid ACF covered hopper or an E&BT square hatch covered hopper.

Worst case is you'd have to toss 'em.
Bob Slavinski replies that he is interested and George Frey also replies the same.

OK, guys, I have said it at least 50 times, DO NOT send messages about items to sell OR give away UNLESS you tell repliers to respond OFF GROUP!!. Such transgressions will land you in jail...as it just did. I have also announced countless times that such replies ON GROUP will land you in jail. As it just did.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: free stuff

George Frey <orangetrainman33@...>
 

id love some free kits

send them to G&#92;
George Frey
1800 W. Culver ave #328
Orange, California
92868-4217
thank you
 George Frey
Proud member of
1/87 Military Models Yahoo
Group                                                   




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From: ed_mines <ed_mines@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 11:55:09 AM
Subject: [STMFC] free stuff

 
Would any of you gents like some free kits? It would mostly be blue box
specials but maybe you'd be lucky and get an Ambroid ACF covered hopper or an
E&BT square hatch covered hopper.

Worst case is you'd have to toss 'em.

Ed Mines







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