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Cotton Seed Oil Tank Cars

Charles Etheredge
 

Guys,
What kind of tank cars would have been used to transport cotton seed oil from the local cotton compress during the steam era?
I am currently modeling cotton compresses in two different Texas towns and need some type of cars to haul the oil to the soap manufacturers, potato chip manufacturers, and whereever else the oil would be used. I assume they would be leased tank cars with perhaps the companies' name stenciled on the side.
Secondly, are there any models that would fit or could be kitbashed to be close to prototypical?
Thanks in advance for any information.

Charles Etheredge
Austin, Texas


Re: Reefers On The San Pedro, LA &Salt Lake RR/ LA & Salt Lake RR

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
Did the San Pedro, Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad/ Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad have its own refrigerator cars or did it have an operating agreement with the Pacific Fruit Express Company?
Did the company have agreements for refrigerator cars, icing service, etc. with other railroads?
Since the SP,LA&SL was owned 50 percent by UP, it is natural that PFE supplied refrigerator cars--once PFE came into existence in December, 1906. The SP,LA&SL was completed early in 1905, and from then until Harriman started buying reefers (ordered in late 1905) I would assume the existing Armour car contract in force on UP likewise would have been in force on the SP,LA&SL, but only for probably a year to a year and a half.
Eventually, of course, UP obtained Senator Clark's 50 percent also, and the line became a pure UP property.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Reefers On The San Pedro, LA &Salt Lake RR/ LA & Salt Lake RR

Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Did the San Pedro, Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad/ Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad have its own refrigerator cars or did it have an operating agreement with the Pacific Fruit Express Company?

Did the company have agreements for refrigerator cars, icing service, etc. with other railroads?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, Ca


Re: rebuilt P&LE/PMcY gondolas with extended sides

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Eric" <eric@...> wrote:
I believe a similar car is featured in Kline & Culotta's "Postwar Freight Car Fleet" on page 187. The caption reads, "P&LE Lot 326-G 45239 (4500-46999) built as a wood-sided gondola by Standard Steel Car Co. in March 1916. NYC Lines installed 10,500 similar gondolas between 1911 and 1916. Sidestake spacers were used to increase the inside width when the wood sides were replaced with steel.
That's the good photo I'm refering to. You can see the spacers.

The car you point to below looks different to me. I have a couple of good photos of similar cars. See the P&LE gon book.


http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-346078.jpg


Central Vermont Railway switch lists and wheel reports

robertm <robertmoeller47@...>
 

Trying to model freight trains on the Central Vermont Railway 1947-1957,
where can I find switch lists and wheel reports to help determine what
cars ran?
Bob Moeller


Southern Freight Association Perishable Tariff and Protective Tariff

Bill Welch
 

I am trying to locate a copy of the "Southern Freight Association Perishable Tariff and Protective Tariff" to aid my research and writing the history of the FGW/WFE/BRE companies with a view to scanning it. If anyone on this list can assist with this publication, please contact me offline at fgexbill@...

Any assistance will be appreciated!

Bill Welch


Re: Youngstown doors w/ Union Duplex hardware (was T&P 1937 AAR boxcars)

Tim O'Connor
 

The last phone number I have for Joe was 417-881-3384. I think he is
(was) friends with John Sanders, who might know the answer. Joe's parts
were cast by both Martin Lofton and Al Westerfield, so either of them
might know as well.

I tried trying to replicate the Union Duplex door hardware myself -
kinda made a mess, but a nice thick coat of paint and weathering and
now you can hardly tell. :-)

Tim O'Connor

Simple enough to do, but I'd need permission. Anyone know if Joe is still
with us? Last I heard he was getting out of the hobby and had health problems.
Tom Madden


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

I have all three of the different special run 1937 T&P IMWX models that Ed Hawkins did long ago. The paint alone is why I bought them. It is really accurate when compared to the photos. However, the one thing Ed did not do with these kits is to have IMWX re-tool the doors with the correct Union Duplex hardware. Back to the Joe Pennington resin replacement doors we were talking about a month or so ago! Hint, hint.

Paul Lyons
Simple enough to do, but I'd need permission. Anyone know if Joe is still with us? Last I heard he was getting out of the hobby and had health problems.

Tom Madden


Re: mysterious roof

thomas christensen
 

See Fallen Flags GBW page - WRX9412
Tom Christensen

--- On Mon, 8/9/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: mysterious roof
To: MFCL@...
Cc: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 4:48 PM


 



cc'ing the STMFC --

Thanks Dave. Offlist someone suggested it could be a "Climax Radial Roof".
I've looked this up, and that is what it appears to be. The Pullman "PS-0"
roof was quite different and lacked the prominent seam caps.

In any case it is quite an old roof for 1974, yet it looks like it is in
excellent condition.

As for ownership, I'm pretty sure the W&LE reporting marks would have
disappeared by such a late date. So now the mystery has become, whose
car is it anyway?

Tim O'Connor

-- original question --

"If you look in the lower right hand corner of this 1974 photo, you'll
see a box or refrigerator car roof -- I have never seen a roof like this
before. Any ideas? The first letter of the reporting mark is W -- but the
second letter is anyone's guess. The roof was built before 1966, that's
the only other clue."

http://cgi.ebay.com/HERCULES-TANK-CAR-UTLX-65158-ORIGINAL-SLIDE-/150474976452

Tim,

I was waiting for one of our more learned colleagues to respond, but I suspect
you may have posted on the wrong list(s). It looks like a 1920s-'30s Radial
Flexible Steel Roof; if it's the Pullman radial roof used on their 1938 "PS-0"
boxcars, the reporting marks could be W&LE. That's my best guess from the
small bit of roof and smaller bit of car end visible in that photo; anyone have
a better idea?

Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: mysterious roof

Tim O'Connor
 

cc'ing the STMFC --

Thanks Dave. Offlist someone suggested it could be a "Climax Radial Roof".
I've looked this up, and that is what it appears to be. The Pullman "PS-0"
roof was quite different and lacked the prominent seam caps.

In any case it is quite an old roof for 1974, yet it looks like it is in
excellent condition.

As for ownership, I'm pretty sure the W&LE reporting marks would have
disappeared by such a late date. So now the mystery has become, whose
car is it anyway?

Tim O'Connor


-- original question --

"If you look in the lower right hand corner of this 1974 photo, you'll
see a box or refrigerator car roof -- I have never seen a roof like this
before. Any ideas? The first letter of the reporting mark is W -- but the
second letter is anyone's guess. The roof was built before 1966, that's
the only other clue."

http://cgi.ebay.com/HERCULES-TANK-CAR-UTLX-65158-ORIGINAL-SLIDE-/150474976452

Tim,

I was waiting for one of our more learned colleagues to respond, but I suspect
you may have posted on the wrong list(s). It looks like a 1920s-'30s Radial
Flexible Steel Roof; if it's the Pullman radial roof used on their 1938 "PS-0"
boxcars, the reporting marks could be W&LE. That's my best guess from the
small bit of roof and smaller bit of car end visible in that photo; anyone have
a better idea?

Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Paul Lyons
 

Tom,

I have all three of the different special run 1937 T&P IMWX models that Ed Hawkins did long ago. The paint alone is why I bought them. It is really accurate when compared to the photos. However, the one thing Ed did not do with these kits is to have IMWX re-tool the doors with the correct Union Duplex hardware. Back to the Joe Pennington resin replacement doors we were talking about a month or so ago! Hint, hint.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 3:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars




Nate, Intermountain's ends are W or round corner with no separate square corner ones available. You want the Red Caboose square corner one. Ed Hawkins had a run made back when Jerry Porter still owned IMWX before selling the dies to RC.

Jerry Glow
I remember visiting Jerry Porter when he was setting that job up. He was agonizing over the lettering - the numbers in particular - and showed me prototype photos with significant variation in the number "fonts". It was almost as if the number stencils were cut free-hand. I'm sure there were templates and design guidelines but, as with many things railroad, the worker with the hammer or paintbrush in his hand often had more to do with how a piece of equipment looked than the draftsman who prepared the drawings back at headquarters.

Tom Madden







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Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Paul Lyons
 

Joe,

Let's put this statement in context! Extending and making "deeper" side sills is only required for modeling the mid 50's re-builds! The IMWX/RC square corner model is CORRECT for the "as delivered" car.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Jacques <bowie1793@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] T&P 1937 AAR boxcars






In addition to the square corner ends previously mentioned, the side sill needs to be extended to the right of the door, to the next cross member, with strip styrene. See RPCYC 3 page 45.

Joe Jacques

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Nathan <obermeyern@...> wrote:

From: Nathan <obermeyern@...>
Subject: [STMFC] T&P 1937 AAR boxcars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 2:44 PM



I recently picked up an Intermountain 1937 AAR boxcar kit and I want to build it for a T&P 40000 series model. The MPHS Eagle article states that the cars had square corner posts. Does the Intermountain car have this type of corner posts or do I need to look elsewhere for the correct ends of the boxcar? The ends supplied has the correct 4/5 Dreadnaught end I just don't know if has a square corner post. If it doesn't have the correct corner post, is there a Branchline or a Red Caboose part that will work for it? Thank you,

Nate

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Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

bowie1793
 

In addition to the square corner ends previously mentioned, the side sill needs to be extended to the right of the door, to the next cross member, with strip styrene. See RPCYC 3 page 45.
 
Joe Jacques

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Nathan <obermeyern@...> wrote:


From: Nathan <obermeyern@...>
Subject: [STMFC] T&P 1937 AAR boxcars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 2:44 PM


 



I recently picked up an Intermountain 1937 AAR boxcar kit and I want to build it for a T&P 40000 series model. The MPHS Eagle article states that the cars had square corner posts. Does the Intermountain car have this type of corner posts or do I need to look elsewhere for the correct ends of the boxcar? The ends supplied has the correct 4/5 Dreadnaught end I just don't know if has a square corner post. If it doesn't have the correct corner post, is there a Branchline or a Red Caboose part that will work for it? Thank you,

Nate











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Re: rebuilt P&LE/PMcY gondolas with extended sides

Eric Hansmann
 

Ed,

I believe a similar car is featured in Kline & Culotta's "Postwar Freight Car Fleet" on page 187. The caption reads, "P&LE Lot 326-G 45239 (4500-46999) built as a wood-sided gondola by Standard Steel Car Co. in March 1916. NYC Lines installed 10,500 similar gondolas between 1911 and 1916. Sidestake spacers were used to increase the inside width when the wood sides were replaced with steel. (Image taken at) PRR yards at North St., Harrisburg, August 17, 1947."

Just from a cursory review of the NYC freight car roster detail on Terry Link's Canada Southern pages, it seems that Lot #'s 325-G, 326-G, 331-G, 332-G, 333-G, 334-G, 335-G, and 336-G were built to a similar design and total 7000 cars. Here's a builders image of a Lot 334-G gondola:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-346078.jpg

This gondola design is on my wish list for resin or plastic production.

Eric



Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926.
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

Can anyone point me to some good photos of P&LE gondolas built as composite gons around WWI and rebuilt with extended steel sides?

If I'm not mistaken these cars were 46-48 ft. long and have some kind of spacers so that the width of the cars increased.

I have the P&LE gon book. As I recall one of the few photos of these cars is one in MOW service from John LaRue.

Ed


Re: 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

Bryan Busséy
 

Actually the link did not have the full URL when clicked. If you do a
copy/paste, it works. The seller has a number of the 1946 CBC available
for sale. I also checked the website listed (www.vintageliterature.ca)
, and they have it for sale as well for the same price.

__
bb

On 8/8/2010 11:16 PM, larrywolohon@... wrote:



This maybe old news, but I just tried to use the link to go to E-bay &
a message came up that this item is no longer listed. For what, based
on what I have read here maybe some copyright infringement or
something like this legalese.

Larry W.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...
<mailto:shile%40mindspring.com>>
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>,
PassengerCarList@...
<mailto:PassengerCarList%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 2:59:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD



Was browsing for something else and bumped into this. I don't recall it
being discussed before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-Car-Builders-Cyclopedia-Railroad-History-DVD-/25066

2689316?pt=Model_RR_Trains

I don't know anything more about the seller, etc.

Steve Hile

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Net Railway Operating Revenues Comparison of the W&Le to other roads

Brian Carlson
 

I have a file containing the comparisons of the W&LE operating revenue to
other Eastern and mid western and well and western RR' in the 1940-1941
timeframe, the file also has some 1942 and 43 data but very limited. The
file is obviously an accounting department file with original ledger sheets
written in pencil and typed carbon letters and additional information. It
doesn't contain commodity information which is what I was looking for. I
figure it may interest someone on the list. I looking for $6 to cover
mailing it. Contact me off list if interested.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

Larry Wolohon
 

This maybe old news, but I just tried to use the link to go to E-bay & a message came up that this item is no longer listed. For what, based on what I have read here maybe some copyright infringement or something like this legalese.



Larry W.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...>
To: STMFC@..., PassengerCarList@...
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 2:59:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

 




Was browsing for something else and bumped into this. I don't recall it
being discussed before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-Car-Builders-Cyclopedia-Railroad-History-DVD-/25066
2689316?pt=Model_RR_Trains

I don't know anything more about the seller, etc.

Steve Hile


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

rwitt_2000
 

Tom Madden wrote:
I remember visiting Jerry Porter when he was setting that job up. He
was agonizing over the lettering - the numbers in particular - and
showed me prototype photos with significant variation in the number
"fonts". It was almost as if the number stencils were cut free-hand. I'm
sure there were templates and design guidelines but, as with many things
railroad, the worker with the hammer or paintbrush in his hand often had
more to do with how a piece of equipment looked than the draftsman who
prepared the drawings back at headquarters.

Here are two photos of stencils applied to a C&NW boxcar and workmen
spraying paint through the openings.

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d23688/

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d23687/

Bob Witt


FW: STMFC problems

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Gang,
Can any of you relate to this "email" problem?
Please read below.
Sincerely,
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST
610-678-2834
www.richyodermodels.com

est 1999

-----Original Message-----
From: mike brock [mailto:brockm@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:45 PM
To: Richard Yoder
Subject: Re: STMFC problems

Hi, Rich,

Well...thank goodness for small favors. I only receive one message.

Interestingly, however, I do get 2 from a couple of people. No telling what
is generating them.

Mike


Hi Mike,
For what it's worth I don't know if this is a server problem

on your end but - I receive all emails from the (STMFC) 5 times. This stared

happening about two weeks ago and I thought you should know about it.
I belong to many yahoo chat groups and have never encountered this problem
with any other group.
Sincerely,
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST
610-678-2834
www.richyodermodels.com

est 1999


Re: 1946 Car Builders Cyc on DVD

Tim O'Connor
 

A fellow named Bob Smith was selling CBC's in PDF format at Naperville
back in 1999. He did NOT have permission from Simmons-Boardman, and he
stopped selling them after someone warned him that he might be sued.

I managed to get the 1940 and 1957 versions from him -- but even though
they are in PDF format, they are really only image files -- you cannot
search for text matches!

What does the seller of this 1946 DVD say about text searches?

Tim O'Connor

Very interesting. I thought Simmons-Boardman kept a tight leash on their copyrighted material. This is in the fine print at the bottom of the listing page:

"Use our scanned images for research or school projects,..."

Is this seeming restriction sufficient to keep it within the Fair Use realm? Sure is a lot of steam era material there, and at a way lower cost than a printed '46 Cyc.

Tom Madden

--- Steve Hile wrote:

Was browsing for something else and bumped into this. I don't recall it
being discussed before.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1946-Car-Builders-Cyclopedia-Railroad-History-DVD-/250662689316

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