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Question on an unusual MK&T Reefer

Gene <mopac1@...>
 

What can you MK&T experts tell about this unusual ice reefer? It
appears to be a ice storage car with a contraption to ice or re-ice
other ice reefers without an icing dock?

http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-MKT-KATY-RAILROAD-REFRIGERATOR-CAR-X111-PHOTO-/2\;
70621834900?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
<http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-MKT-KATY-RAILROAD-REFRIGERATOR-CAR-X111-PHOTO-/\;
270621834900?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0>


Gene Semon


Re: MOW paint

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:44 PM, roblmclear wrote:

I am putting together some ATSF maintenance of way equipment in N
scale and for my time period (1947-1949) the cars need to painted
gray, including converted boxcars. Now in the ATSF painting and
lettering guide by Richard Hendrickson it lists the gray as
"Battleship gray, a light gray" In my previous modelling
experience doing warships Battleship gray was a fairly dark colour
almost as dark, if not a bit darker than CSX gray.

My question is was the colour like the CSX gray or was it closer to
something lighter say like SP Lettering Gray. I quote these
colours because about the only paints I can get regularly here in
Aussie are Floquil. I also don't want to start another colour
flame, I know that colour is subjective due to many factors I am
just trying to get close to the original.
Rob, I have a number of color photos of Santa Fe MW equipment, and
the color was definitely a light gray – as was U. S. Navy
"battleship gray" in the period you model. SP Lettering Gray would
be a good choice. For that matter, Floquil gray primer is about the
right color. Keep in mind that MW cars were seldom repainted, so
they weathered and faded a lot. Also, model railroad layout lighting
is never as bright as direct sunlight, so lighter is generally better
on models.

Richard Hendrickson



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August DVD Special Offer

Scott <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

I hope you're enjoying your weekend! Just a reminder...

There's a little over two weeks left to take advantage of my August DVD Special Offer. Buy any two DVD's and get the third one free. Just indicate in the comments box which DVD you want for free, and I'll send it along. Or you can call me direct to place your order. My number is (508) 528-9457.

Don't miss out on a great chance to start, add to, or complete your Scotty Mason DVD collection! I'll be shooting two new DVD's in late September that will be ready to ship by November 1.

Order yours now!

Thanks as always,

Scott
www.scottymason.com


Pinning Parts In Place: one more time

Bill Welch
 

I was looking at photos today of some single sheathed cars and was reminded of another situation where using brass wire to pin a part in place works very well. Many SS cars had a strap that bridged the diagonal & vertical braces to the right of the door permitting it to be opened without being caught by the bracing. Although I have used styrene to replicate this strapping, brass is much better. I trim some brass sheeting to form the strapping. Then I drill a #79 hole in each end, determining the ends after I have formed the brass over the braces. I leave enough strapping to have a little handle on one end. Laying the strapping on the model, I mark where one hole will be drilled into the car side. The pins are made from .012 wire. I pound one end to flatten it and then use one of the pins to hold it on the car side. The pin can be bent on the inside to hold everything in place. Then I position the strapping so I can mark where the second hole will go. Drill and insert the another pin and ACC on the back of the side. Very sturdy and looks very sharp.

I have used this technique on tank cars to secure dome platform brackets make from brass strapping also.

Bill Welch


Western Maryland decals to do Greenville GV-2 LO?

Bill Welch
 

Does anyone know if anyone offers decals that would work for the WM GV-2 covered hoppers. These were clones of the PS-2 and are pictured on pages 19 & 25 of RP CYC # 3. They featured speed lettering with stripes and an "R" stenciled on a yellow disk designationg it roller bearing trucks. They were built 6-55.

Bill Welch


MOW paint

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

Hi to all

I don't know if this is an appropriate question on this group but if not I expect the moderator will take the necessary action. Oh no not to the jail house!!

I am putting together some ATSF maintenance of way equipment in N scale and for my time period (1947-1949) the cars need to painted gray, including converted boxcars. Now in the ATSF painting and lettering guide by Richard Hendrickson it lists the gray as "Battleship gray, a light gray" In my previous modelling experience doing warships Battleship gray was a fairly dark colour almost as dark, if not a bit darker than CSX gray.

My question is was the colour like the CSX gray or was it closer to something lighter say like SP Lettering Gray. I quote these colours because about the only paints I can get regularly here in Aussie are Floquil. I also don't want to start another colour flame, I know that colour is subjective due to many factors I am just trying to get close to the original.

If you are on more than one list like me I apologise for the cross postings.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.


Re: 10,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car Walthers new release...

dakkinder
 

Thanks jeff
That was helpfull.
Doug Kinder

--- In STMFC@..., "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

See Richard Hendrickson's msg of May 5th.

Past messages from STMFC may [should] be searched for answers by going to

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/

There's a box for searching past messages, and a search for "Walthers Tank Cars" will reveal Richard's message.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

P.S. Thank you for following-up w/ your full name, it is much appreciated.


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of dakkinder
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:45 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] 10,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car Walthers new release...



Is this a rehash of there type 21 riveted cars or an entirely new tooling?



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Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions

Ray Breyer
 

Not all XM32 rebuilds had Hutchins ends. There's a photo in
Carstens' "The Dixie Line" on page 52 of NC&StL #20000 in 1942
showing a two-panel Murphy end that has a tall, blank extension
above the Murphy ribs.
Tim O'Connor
The NC&StL's 1955 car diagram book says that the XM-32s came with both Hutchins and Murphy ends, but doesn't specify where in the number range the different types of ends fell. When in doubt, go with what APPEARS to be the most common, which is the Hutchins ends. All of the surviving cars (including the three in Santa Clara, Cuba) have these ends, and all but a VERY few photos of these cars show Hutchins ends.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions

Tim O'Connor
 

In 1947 the first new box cars delivered with yellow stripes
were NC&StL 19000-19499. (Builder photo of 19399 on page 14 of
the Carstens book). Whether other cars were painted earlier
with stripes, I don't know for sure.

Tim O'Connor

FRANK PEACOCK wrote:
... When did the N&C begin to use the large horizontal stripes on box cars? The earliest that I can document is Sept. 1946. I have a feeling that in my era not many of these would be around, which is okay since I like the other "To and From Dixieland" Stencils better. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

In his 1932 ARA box car book, Ted Culotta says 1947. I'd have to say
your 1946 evidence is at least in the right ballpark.

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions

Tim O'Connor
 

Not all XM32 rebuilds had Hutchins ends. There's a photo in Carstens'
"The Dixie Line" on page 52 of NC&StL #20000 in 1942 showing a two-panel
Murphy end that has a tall, blank extension above the Murphy ribs.

Tim O'Connor

At 8/13/2010 02:35 PM Friday, you wrote:
Dear Frank

I had not picked up the variations for the Hutchins ends. As for the yellow stripes on their boxcars, I do not know when these began to appear. None of the 3 books I have on the NC&StL talk anything about their freight cars nor did the FCJ monograph put a date to this scheme. My bet is that your research makes you are the authority on this, at least I am nominating you as such!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., FRANK PEACOCK <frank3112@...> wrote:

Bill, I too am glad Martin is doing the NC&StL XM-32 as it was the largest class on the railroad in 1947. I wonder which Hutchins end he is doing? I did a quick check of one that I saw in 1987 in Illinois and it had two section Hutchins ends, not the four section end shown on p.23 of Freight Cars Journal No. 63. This same publication has as you know some good stenciling diagrams in it including the "To and From Dixieland" (Brush Stroke) and the same in the much finer, earlier script lettering. A question for you and the group: When did the N&C begin to use the large horizontal stripes on box cars? The earliest that I can document is Sept. 1946. I have a feeling that in my era not many of these would be around, which is okay since I like the other "To and From Dixieland" Stencils better. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)


Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions

Frank Greene
 

FRANK PEACOCK wrote:
... When did the N&C begin to use the large horizontal stripes on box cars? The earliest that I can document is Sept. 1946. I have a feeling that in my era not many of these would be around, which is okay since I like the other "To and From Dixieland" Stencils better. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

In his 1932 ARA box car book, Ted Culotta says 1947. I'd have to say your 1946 evidence is at least in the right ballpark.

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: 10,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car Walthers new release...

Aley, Jeff A
 

See Richard Hendrickson's msg of May 5th.

Past messages from STMFC may [should] be searched for answers by going to

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/

There's a box for searching past messages, and a search for "Walthers Tank Cars" will reveal Richard's message.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

P.S. Thank you for following-up w/ your full name, it is much appreciated.


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of dakkinder
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:45 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] 10,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car Walthers new release...



Is this a rehash of there type 21 riveted cars or an entirely new tooling?


Re: 10,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car Walthers new release...

dakkinder
 

--- In STMFC@..., "dakkinder" <dakkinder@...> wrote:

Is this a rehash of there type 21 riveted cars or an entirely new tooling?
Sorry forgot to sign Doug kinder :)


10,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car Walthers new release...

dakkinder
 

Is this a rehash of there type 21 riveted cars or an entirely new tooling?


Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions

Bill Welch
 

Dear Frank

I had not picked up the variations for the Hutchins ends. As for the yellow stripes on their boxcars, I do not know when these began to appear. None of the 3 books I have on the NC&StL talk anything about their freight cars nor did the FCJ monograph put a date to this scheme. My bet is that your research makes you are the authority on this, at least I am nominating you as such!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., FRANK PEACOCK <frank3112@...> wrote:


Bill, I too am glad Martin is doing the NC&StL XM-32 as it was the largest class on the railroad in 1947. I wonder which Hutchins end he is doing? I did a quick check of one that I saw in 1987 in Illinois and it had two section Hutchins ends, not the four section end shown on p.23 of Freight Cars Journal No. 63. This same publication has as you know some good stenciling diagrams in it including the "To and From Dixieland" (Brush Stroke) and the same in the much finer, earlier script lettering. A question for you and the group: When did the N&C begin to use the large horizontal stripes on box cars? The earliest that I can document is Sept. 1946. I have a feeling that in my era not many of these would be around, which is okay since I like the other "To and From Dixieland" Stencils better. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

To: STMFC@...
From: fgexbill@...
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:36:41 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions




























As a ya'll road modeler I am thrilled to finally see the little NC&StL rebuild. Martin has had the components of this car in the works for well over a decade. They had Murphy ends in addition to the reversed Hutchins ends. In addition to the "stripe" scheme there was at least what I would call the "script" scheme with Dixieland in what looks like a fountain pen stroke which Martin is doing also.



Bill Welch

Clearwater, FL



--- In STMFC@..., Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@> wrote:

Today I received a flyer from Sunshine titled Naperville Introductions. The
new introductions are
NC&St.L XM-32 36' steel rebuilt boxcar
Circumferential rivet tanks
GN 2501 series plywood express boxcars
GM&O 35200 40' DD autocar
CRI&P covered hopper for silica sand, Mini-Kit
ATSF Bx-41,42,45,46,49 ARA rebuilds
D&RGW 15' door 10'8" IH auto/grain box
Fruehauf ribbed trailers
NKP, LV, ATSF piggyback flat Mini-Kits
Photos of some are included. There's also a 2nd flyer which is identical to
the ATSF convention flyer with the header changed.
The Naperville Introductions flyer can be viewed on my website on the Meets
page.
Question: Does anyone know what circumferential rivet tankcar will be sold?
Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com
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Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions

FRANK PEACOCK
 

Bill, I too am glad Martin is doing the NC&StL XM-32 as it was the largest class on the railroad in 1947. I wonder which Hutchins end he is doing? I did a quick check of one that I saw in 1987 in Illinois and it had two section Hutchins ends, not the four section end shown on p.23 of Freight Cars Journal No. 63. This same publication has as you know some good stenciling diagrams in it including the "To and From Dixieland" (Brush Stroke) and the same in the much finer, earlier script lettering. A question for you and the group: When did the N&C begin to use the large horizontal stripes on box cars? The earliest that I can document is Sept. 1946. I have a feeling that in my era not many of these would be around, which is okay since I like the other "To and From Dixieland" Stencils better. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

To: STMFC@...
From: fgexbill@...
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:36:41 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions




























As a ya'll road modeler I am thrilled to finally see the little NC&StL rebuild. Martin has had the components of this car in the works for well over a decade. They had Murphy ends in addition to the reversed Hutchins ends. In addition to the "stripe" scheme there was at least what I would call the "script" scheme with Dixieland in what looks like a fountain pen stroke which Martin is doing also.



Bill Welch

Clearwater, FL

--- In STMFC@..., Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

Today I received a flyer from Sunshine titled Naperville Introductions. The
new introductions are
NC&St.L XM-32 36' steel rebuilt boxcar
Circumferential rivet tanks
GN 2501 series plywood express boxcars
GM&O 35200 40' DD autocar
CRI&P covered hopper for silica sand, Mini-Kit
ATSF Bx-41,42,45,46,49 ARA rebuilds
D&RGW 15' door 10'8" IH auto/grain box
Fruehauf ribbed trailers
NKP, LV, ATSF piggyback flat Mini-Kits
Photos of some are included. There's also a 2nd flyer which is identical to
the ATSF convention flyer with the header changed.
The Naperville Introductions flyer can be viewed on my website on the Meets
page.
Question: Does anyone know what circumferential rivet tankcar will be sold?
Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com
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Re: Sunshine's current kits

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

I've sold a few Sunshine kits on eBay that I shouldn't purchased in the
first place and there was a lot of interest by over-seas modelers...Martin
doesn't sell over the Internet nor does he accept credit cards or checks
from outside the US. So, many modelers are stuck...


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


<Wow. $123.50. Yet I'm not surprised. There are people out there willing
<to
<pay a lot to get a Sunshine kit now rather than in 6 months, or they are
<unaware that they're still available.
<
<Jim


Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions

Jim Hayes
 

Sorry Roland but I don't have the flyers yet. I posted everything I
received. I won't have the flyers until I journey to the Naperville RPM meet
in October. Expect to see them on my website on the 27th or 28th of October.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:02 AM, <roland.levin@...> wrote:



Jim

Will you scan the flyer and post it to your website? I'm interested in more
information about the D&RGW car.

Roland Levin
Stockholm, Sweden
http://hem.bredband.net/drgw

Från: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>] För Jim Hayes
Skickat: den 13 augusti 2010 01:00
Till: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Ämne: [STMFC] Sunshine Naperville Introductions


Today I received a flyer from Sunshine titled Naperville Introductions. The
new introductions are

NC&St.L XM-32 36' steel rebuilt boxcar
Circumferential rivet tanks
GN 2501 series plywood express boxcars
GM&O 35200 40' DD autocar
CRI&P covered hopper for silica sand, Mini-Kit
ATSF Bx-41,42,45,46,49 ARA rebuilds
D&RGW 15' door 10'8" IH auto/grain box
Fruehauf ribbed trailers
NKP, LV, ATSF piggyback flat Mini-Kits

Photos of some are included. There's also a 2nd flyer which is identical to
the ATSF convention flyer with the header changed.
The Naperville Introductions flyer can be viewed on my website on the Meets
page.

Question: Does anyone know what circumferential rivet tankcar will be sold?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

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Re: Sunshine Naperville Introductions

Roland Levin
 

Jim

Will you scan the flyer and post it to your website? I'm interested in more information about the D&RGW car.

Roland Levin
Stockholm, Sweden
http://hem.bredband.net/drgw

Från: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] För Jim Hayes
Skickat: den 13 augusti 2010 01:00
Till: STMFC@...
Ämne: [STMFC] Sunshine Naperville Introductions



Today I received a flyer from Sunshine titled Naperville Introductions. The
new introductions are

NC&St.L XM-32 36' steel rebuilt boxcar
Circumferential rivet tanks
GN 2501 series plywood express boxcars
GM&O 35200 40' DD autocar
CRI&P covered hopper for silica sand, Mini-Kit
ATSF Bx-41,42,45,46,49 ARA rebuilds
D&RGW 15' door 10'8" IH auto/grain box
Fruehauf ribbed trailers
NKP, LV, ATSF piggyback flat Mini-Kits

Photos of some are included. There's also a 2nd flyer which is identical to
the ATSF convention flyer with the header changed.
The Naperville Introductions flyer can be viewed on my website on the Meets
page.

Question: Does anyone know what circumferential rivet tankcar will be sold?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

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Re: Sunshine's current kits

Jim Hayes
 

Wow. $123.50. Yet I'm not surprised. There are people out there willing to
pay a lot to get a Sunshine kit now rather than in 6 months, or they are
unaware that they're still available.

Jim


On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:29 PM, robertb@... <
robertb@...> wrote:



Thanks Jim. That's good advice. I was curious about the availability after
I saw one of the vinegar tank cars on ebay:-

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sunshine-Models-Standard-Brands-Vinegar-Tankcar-/1604621
37927?pt=Model_RR_Trains

The bidders seemed to be very keen on paying $123 for a $45 kit, so I
wondered if it perhaps was no longer available. I know delivery of kits by
Martin does take a while, but to pay 2.7 times the price just to get it
now!

I'll now go ahead and order the kits I want and be happy to wait for when
Martin is able (in his schedule) to ship them, as well as getting two for
that kind of money.

Regards,

Robert Bogie


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Hayes jimhayes97225@... <jimhayes97225%40gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:27:41 -0700
To: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine's current kits


Robert, The July 2009 price list together with the November 2009 New
Products sheet is the most up-to-date information available. I'm hoping to
see an updated list at Naperville in October. Sunshine is slow to
discontinue kits. I'd feel safe ordering the vinegar tank and anything else
that's listed on the 2009 price list. I can't guarantee any of this though.
Sunshine doesn't notify me when a kit is discontinued. I have to gather
that
information by noticing what is no longer on the price list and it's
difficult to see what's not there. Sunshine normally discontinues a kit
only
when they run out of instructions, decals or detail parts, or if the molds
are worn out and Martin figures it's not worth it to make new ones.

Jim

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:00 PM, robertb@...<robertb%40smartchat.net.au><
robertb@... <robertb%40smartchat.net.au>> wrote:



Jim,

The list of kits available on your site is as at 2009. Do you know if it
is
still accurate? I was contemplating ordering the Vinegar tank car, plus
some other NYC kits.

Regards,

Robert Bogie
Melbourne, Australia

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Hayes jimhayes97225@... <jimhayes97225%40gmail.com><jimhayes97225%
40gmail.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:59:52 -0700
To: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <STMFC%
40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine Naperville Introductions

Today I received a flyer from Sunshine titled Naperville Introductions.
The
new introductions are

NC&St.L XM-32 36' steel rebuilt boxcar
Circumferential rivet tanks
GN 2501 series plywood express boxcars
GM&O 35200 40' DD autocar
CRI&P covered hopper for silica sand, Mini-Kit
ATSF Bx-41,42,45,46,49 ARA rebuilds
D&RGW 15' door 10'8" IH auto/grain box
Fruehauf ribbed trailers
NKP, LV, ATSF piggyback flat Mini-Kits

Photos of some are included. There's also a 2nd flyer which is identical
to
the ATSF convention flyer with the header changed.
The Naperville Introductions flyer can be viewed on my website on the
Meets
page.

Question: Does anyone know what circumferential rivet tankcar will be
sold?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com



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