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Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Gene Green asked:
"Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999 (renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?"

1936, and the cars received Climax radial roofs in the process. See Cullotta & Kline's The Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p 30-31 for more information plus a photo.


"Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to model this car?"

The rebuilds retained the original truss, so 4032 is out. If you want to go with Tichy 4028, you'll need to sand down the wood sheathing details between the truss members (which would be a chore), and replace the kit roof with a Climax radial roof. Another possible starting point is Westerfield 3365, the modernized N&W USRA SS boxcar with radial roof, but you'd have to check to see how close the N&W roof is to a Climax radial roof. It would be closer to fill in the scribed sheathing of the Westerfield kit than to sand down the details on the Tichy kit.


"My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?"

Al Westerfield still sells his decals for the Erie USRA SS boxcars (kit #3314) separately. They're intended for the cars before their rebuilding in 1936, so you might have to come up with bits and pieces to letter your model accurately for your modeling period.


Ben Hom


ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999 (renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?

Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to model this car?

My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?

Gene Green


Re: the five CGW three-bay welded hoppers

Thomas Baker
 

Does someone one the list have a clear photo of one of the CGW welded hoppers which, if memory serves, were constructed in the Thirties? The dimensional data for the five all-welded hoppers differ from that of the riveted hoppers in the 67000-series. I believe the numbers for the welded hoppers were as follows: 67999, 67997, 67995, 67993, 67991. A photo showing the lettering clearly would be a great help.

Tom


Re: new scam

Bryan Busséy
 

Al,

I've been receiving them for a while. Usually if the inquiry is
grammatically deficient (given that English is spoken in New Zealand), I
simply ignore them.

__
bb

On 8/15/2010 4:59 PM, Al and Patricia Westerfield wrote:

There appears to be a new scam hitting small businesses. We got an
inquiry supposedly from New Zealand about whether we accept credit
cards for orders. Not unusual. When I replied yes and order came back
for over $1,000 of only three different and unrelated kits except they
were new. There were misspellings in the text both times. Being
suspicious I told the person that we would start on the order after
receiving money through PayPal, thereby insuring both of us against
bad faith. No reply.

However, the other day we received another inquiry about buying
coffins from us. We explained that we make a model of a coffin pickle
car. A reply came back asking to purchase some of those......... - Al




new scam

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

There appears to be a new scam hitting small businesses. We got an inquiry supposedly from New Zealand about whether we accept credit cards for orders. Not unusual. When I replied yes and order came back for over $1,000 of only three different and unrelated kits except they were new. There were misspellings in the text both times. Being suspicious I told the person that we would start on the order after receiving money through PayPal, thereby insuring both of us against bad faith. No reply.

However, the other day we received another inquiry about buying coffins from us. We explained that we make a model of a coffin pickle car. A reply came back asking to purchase some of those......... - Al


Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Olsen wrote:
Atlas is releasing new paint schemes for their 11,000 Gallon LPG Tank Car. Here is the write-up about the cars that appeared in the Model Railroad Hobbyist Newsletter for August 2010:

Atlas said the Columbia Southern and Solvay schemes are prototypically correct for smaller tank cars of similar design.
Just how prototypical are these paint schemes for this model and if correct, then when were they used? Are these tank cars the same as those LPG tank cars released earlier or are these cars new tooling?
Tom, what part of the Atlas statement confused you? They are "real" paint schemes but NOT for this car body. And since they've had an 11,000-gallon tank car for some time in HO scale, I'm pretty certain this is that same tooling.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Glad to help. IOW Foobie = noun, Foobar = adjective, Foo = verb

:-)

At 8/15/2010 01:09 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Thanks, guys. My understanding is much better now.
Richard New

--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 1:01 PM


I believe the etymology of the American "foo" begins with World War II's
FUBAR (f***** up beyond all repair). There are now many derivations most
of them using the changed spelling "foo" which is appropriate since a word
that describes something so fouled up should itself be an example.

Tim O'Connor

I'm new to the group. Could the term "foobies" be defined? Is this word consistent with "foolish," "fooled you," and other similar constructs?
Thanks,
Richard New


Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Richard New <loco7mo@...>
 

Thanks, guys. My understanding is much better now.
 
Richard New

--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 1:01 PM


 




I believe the etymology of the American "foo" begins with World War II's
FUBAR (f***** up beyond all repair). There are now many derivations most
of them using the changed spelling "foo" which is appropriate since a word
that describes something so fouled up should itself be an example.

Tim O'Connor

I'm new to the group. Could the term "foobies" be defined? Is this word consistent with "foolish," "fooled you," and other similar constructs?
Thanks,
Richard New










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Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Tim O'Connor
 

I believe the etymology of the American "foo" begins with World War II's
FUBAR (f***** up beyond all repair). There are now many derivations most
of them using the changed spelling "foo" which is appropriate since a word
that describes something so fouled up should itself be an example.

Tim O'Connor

I'm new to the group. Could the term "foobies" be defined? Is this word consistent with "foolish," "fooled you," and other similar constructs?
Thanks,
Richard New


Re: Dates for Prototype Rails 2011?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Tom,

Sorry for the terseness of my earlier reply; I sent it from my mobile phone, where typing is a bit of a chore.

Prototype Rails 2011 is January 6 – 9, 2011 in Cocoa Beach, FL. A few details are available on our website at http://www.prototyperails.com .

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Dates for Prototype Rails 2011?



See Prototyperails.com<http://Prototyperails.com>.






On Aug 14, 2010, at 4:56 PM, "pullmanboss" <tcmadden@q.com<mailto:tcmadden%40q.com><mailto:tcmadden@q.com<mailto:tcmadden%40q.com>>> wrote:



Are the dates set yet for Prototype Rails 2011?

Tom Madden


Reminder Rails by the River #2 Salem, OR

Greg Martin
 

Just a reminder that next Friday we'll be presenting:

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* There will be vendors /manufacturers representing their products
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* Dioramas ~Historical Societies Structures ~Standard and Narrow
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Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

al_brown03
 

In the group archive, please see message #76639 for a definition (yep, really).

-- welcome! --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., Richard New <loco7mo@...> wrote:

Guys,
 
I'm new to the group. Could the term "foobies" be defined? Is this word consistent with "foolish," "fooled you," and other similar constructs?
 
Thanks,
Richard New


--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 8:39 AM


 



<tmolsen@...> 08/15/10 4:47 AM >>>
Atlas is releasing new paint schemes for their 11,000 Gallon LPG Tank
Car.
<SNIP>

Just how prototypical are these paint schemes for this model and if
correct, then when were they used? Are these tank cars >the same as
those LPG tank cars released earlier or are these cars new tooling?

Tom,

We talked about these cars about a month ago (starting at message
91827). No this is not new tooling and at least some of the schemes are
apparently foobies!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL










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Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Brian Carlson
 

"foobies" = Non prototypical paint schemes. Could range from schemes that were on similar cars to the model in question, to totally bogus paint schemes. So yes, if you buy one think it's prototypical you would have been fooled.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Richard New
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:54 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar





Guys,

I'm new to the group. Could the term "foobies" be defined? Is this word consistent with "foolish," "fooled you," and other similar constructs?

Thanks,
Richard New


Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Richard New <loco7mo@...>
 

Guys,
 
I'm new to the group. Could the term "foobies" be defined? Is this word consistent with "foolish," "fooled you," and other similar constructs?
 
Thanks,
Richard New

--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 8:39 AM


 



<tmolsen@...> 08/15/10 4:47 AM >>>
Atlas is releasing new paint schemes for their 11,000 Gallon LPG Tank
Car.
<SNIP>

Just how prototypical are these paint schemes for this model and if
correct, then when were they used? Are these tank cars >the same as
those LPG tank cars released earlier or are these cars new tooling?

Tom,

We talked about these cars about a month ago (starting at message
91827). No this is not new tooling and at least some of the schemes are
apparently foobies!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL










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Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Bruce Smith
 

<tmolsen@...> 08/15/10 4:47 AM >>>
Atlas is releasing new paint schemes for their 11,000 Gallon LPG Tank
Car.
<SNIP>

Just how prototypical are these paint schemes for this model and if
correct, then when were they used? Are these tank cars >the same as
those LPG tank cars released earlier or are these cars new tooling?

Tom,

We talked about these cars about a month ago (starting at message
91827). No this is not new tooling and at least some of the schemes are
apparently foobies!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

tmolsen@...
 

Atlas is releasing new paint schemes for their 11,000 Gallon LPG Tank Car. Here is the write-up about the cars that appeared in the Model Railroad Hobbyist Newsletter for August 2010:

Atlas Model Railroad Company (www.atlasrr.com) will deliver
an HO scale 11,000 gallon LPG tank car in new paint
schemes in December. Priced at $30, the tankers will be
decorated for Fidelity Oil Company (black/white), Anchorgas
(black/yellow/white), Barrett Division (silver/red/black),
Bottled Gas Corp. of Virginia (black/white), Hercules
Powder Company (black/red/white), Solvay Process Division
(green/silver), Union Pacific MOW (light green/black) and
Columbia Southern (red/black/white) as shown here
(See the photo in the Hobbyist:
http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/mrh_news_online/aug-2010).

Atlas said the Columbia Southern and Solvay schemes are
prototypically correct for smaller tank cars of similar
design. An N scale model with the same road names (except
Union Pacific) will be available at $21.
Just how prototypical are these paint schemes for this model and if correct, then when were they used? Are these tank cars the same as those LPG tank cars released earlier or are these cars new tooling?

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re-sheathing a CB&Q Box Car

rwitt_2000
 

Here is another photo from the Newberry Library Collection on the CB&Q.

One doesn't often see the re-sheathing of a single-sheathed box car.
Notice that the flooring was completed first so the workmen can access
the sides.

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/nby\;
_rrlife&CISOPTR=113&CISOBOX=1&REC=5

Bob Witt


Re: Ice Deck Crews

water.kresse@...
 

Thanks to the financial folks the C&O and FGE accountants had a battle over how much the Clifton Forge re-icing facility should have been valued at and took a great set of photos.  Those are posted in Thumbnail size on the C&O HS Website and can found in the photo search via "FGE" I believe.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 6:03:02 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ice Deck Crews

Al Kresse wrote:
A two wheel cart with handles behind it.  Clifton Forge FGE deck had  
a dozen or more plus an Ice Crusher with an elevator to bring  
crushed ice up to the deck level.
   Thanks, Al, good to know. But I still haven't seen a photo. Can you  
direct me to one?

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Ice Deck Crews

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Kresse wrote:
Becuase belong to the C&HS, I will send them off line. They are published in two C&O History magazine issues on FGE operations on the C&O: part 1 @ Clifton Forge and part 2 @ Russell. From the few images I have, I suspect the Steven Yard in Kentucky was similarly equipped.
Thank you. I appreciate it.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Dates for Prototype Rails 2011?

Aley, Jeff A
 

See Prototyperails.com<http://Prototyperails.com>.

On Aug 14, 2010, at 4:56 PM, "pullmanboss" <tcmadden@q.com<mailto:tcmadden@q.com>> wrote:



Are the dates set yet for Prototype Rails 2011?

Tom Madden

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