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Re: ADMIN: Re: new scam

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:07 AM, mike brock wrote:

A two stroke penalty will be...hmmm. Well...anyhow, this thread is
terminated.

Especially if the two-stroke is a Diseasel.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944
"Every freight train has at least one NP box car"
the Brock Corollary to the GN hypothesis


ADMIN: Re: new scam

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Al Westerfield reports on a "new" scam...and others have replied.

This report should have been reported to me and Jeff Aley and not the group. Note the STMFC rule:

"ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT
CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES. Thus, all
admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by myself or
my representatives. Warnings about virus activity is strictly
prohibited."

A two stroke penalty will be...hmmm. Well...anyhow, this thread is terminated.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: New Paint Schemes for Atlas 11,000 Gal.

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

As has been discussed here often, the bogus paint schemes help pay for models we might not otherwise get. I wish the label would include a mention of accurate or not lettering as a caution to those few of us who care. Until then I am very grateful for this group which always seems to have someone who can provide accurate information about nearly anything freight-car-wise.

Thank you all,
Gene Green
No mfgr is in a hurry to dip his toe in that particular pool, Gene. Rapido's Jason Shron explained it very nicely on Trainorders.com the other day in the following exchange regarding fantasy paint schemes on his steam generator car:

BEGIN QUOTED TEXT
As much as I respect Jason S. at Rapido. They do
have a penchant for "fantasy" paint schemes. Don't
get me wrong, I TOTALLY understand the whys as to
why they do it. There are times when I wish they
would label them for what they are "fantasy
schemes".
When it comes to motive power, we will indeed do that, even if it means we will lose some sales.

But for rolling stock, we simply can't afford to be the first ones to do it. Here's a story I was told by a hobby shop owner in the Toronto area. A customer came in and picked up a gorgeous P2K gondola painted in CN colours. There was a note on the box, put on by the folks at Hobbycraft in deference to expert advice, that said it was not 100% prototypical for CN. The customer frowned, put it down, and picked up an Athearn RTR gondola painted in CN colours instead. It was just as wrong. He looked for the disclaimer, didn't find it, and bought it instead. He left the store a happy customer.

If the NMRA made it a RP for all manufacturers to put "this is bogus" disclaimers on packaging and all manufacturers agreed to do it, we would be on board. But until that happens, we can't afford to be the model that the potential customer puts down, especially in this still painful economy.
END QUOTED TEXT

Tom Madden


Re: New Paint Schemes for Atlas 11,000 Gal.

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., <tmolsen@...> wrote:
Good Morning Guys,
<snip> It is a shame that Atlas continuously puts lettering schemes for cars that did not have them.
As has been discussed here often, the bogus paint schemes help pay for models we might not otherwise get. I wish the label would include a mention of accurate or not lettering as a caution to those few of us who care. Until then I am very grateful for this group which always seems to have someone who can provide accurate information about nearly anything freight-car-wise.

Thank you all,
Gene Green


New Paint Schemes for Atlas 11,000 Gal.

tmolsen@...
 

Good Morning Guys,

Thanks for tipping me off to the previous postings regarding the Atlas lettering schemes on the wrong cars. I am running a bit behind in my email and had to go back to look for the postings in regard to these cars. It is a shame that Atlas continuously puts lettering schemes for cars that did not have them. Several of those listed are not available, either in cars of the correct size or in decals, especially those for Barrett and Solvay Process.

The ACF book has pictures of a number of these schemes, but no decals are currently available. Here is the east in the '50s, one would see large numbers of tank cars with just about every variation of the Barrett and Solvay paint schemes. Barrett had a plant in South Philadelphia and it's parent company, Allied Chemical, had several plants in the Delaware Valley, so that it would be unusual not to see tank cars lettered for these companies. Cars lettered for the Solvay Process were also frequent visitors due to the number of chemical plants and refineries in the area.

Perhaps someone will eventually bring out cars of the right size with these schemes or at least, do decal sets to match the variations.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Aley, Jeff A
 

Tom,

I interpret the term "new paint schemes" to always mean "old [existing] tooling". When a model is newly-tooled, most companies will point out that fact ("all new tooling").

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:26 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar



Tom Olsen wrote:
Atlas is releasing new paint schemes for their 11,000 Gallon LPG
Tank Car. Here is the write-up about the cars that appeared in the
Model Railroad Hobbyist Newsletter for August 2010:

Atlas said the Columbia Southern and Solvay schemes are
prototypically correct for smaller tank cars of similar design.
Just how prototypical are these paint schemes for this model and if
correct, then when were they used? Are these tank cars the same as
those LPG tank cars released earlier or are these cars new tooling?
Tom, what part of the Atlas statement confused you? They are
"real" paint schemes but NOT for this car body. And since they've had
an 11,000-gallon tank car for some time in HO scale, I'm pretty
certain this is that same tooling.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

rwitt_2000
 

FRANK PEACOCK wrote:


Richard and STMFC, I checked my copy of the ORER (10/47, p.175, and
note A p.176) and I think that it is telling us that only 75 of the cars
kept their wood doors, the rest (122 cars) I guess had steel? There
seem to be slight differences in the "width at eaves" dimension. FHP
(Frank H. Peacock)
The ERIE diagram for these cars [Numbers 71806-71966], at the Fallen
Flag site, dated April 22, 1937 lists 25 cars that received Youngstown
steel doors and Creco fixtures. The diagram list the EXW for these
boxcars as 9'-9" with wood doors and 10'-0" with steel doors.
Apparently, more cars were converted before October 1947.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie-frt-9-2e.gif

Bob Witt


Re: Climax Radial All Steel Roof

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 15, 2010, at 6:49 PM, FRANK PEACOCK wrote:

One reference to these roofs is in the 1931 Car Builders Cyc. p.
362 and 363. It is a radial roof with two minor corrugations
spaced more or less equally between the carlines. One of the
illustrations is of Erie 75893, which is a steel car.
I will add that in the one photo I have of a car in MW service, the
small corrugations between the seam caps are clearly visible.

Richard Hendrickson


Climax Radial All Steel Roof

FRANK PEACOCK
 

One reference to these roofs is in the 1931 Car Builders Cyc. p. 362 and 363. It is a radial roof with two minor corrugations spaced more or less equally between the carlines. One of the illustrations is of Erie 75893, which is a steel car. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)


Re: new scam

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

Al,

I've been receiving them for a while. Usually if the inquiry is
grammatically deficient (given that English is spoken in New Zealand), I
simply ignore them.
Well here in Aussie we think that they speak a sort of English, but it shouldn't be misspelled anyway. ;-)
Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.


Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

FRANK PEACOCK
 

Richard and STMFC, I checked my copy of the ORER (10/47, p.175, and note A p.176) and I think that it is telling us that only 75 of the cars kept their wood doors, the rest (122 cars) I guess had steel? There seem to be slight differences in the "width at eaves" dimension. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

To: STMFC@...
From: rhendrickson@...
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:07:27 -0700
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ERIE single-sheathed box cars




























On Aug 15, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Gene wrote:



Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999
(renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to
have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which
were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.
Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the
original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?


At the same time that they were renumbered, they got steel side

sheathing in place of wood (but kept their original wood sheathed

doors) and Chicago-Climax radial steel roofs, as well as AB brakes.

I have a photo of one after it was renumbered into MW service.

Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to
model this car?


4032. It has the original USRA side framing with steel sheathing

(4028 has replacement steel sheathed sides).

My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find
anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the
closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?


Champ HN-63 will give you the lettering needed, as well as the small

heralds.



Richard Hendrickson



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Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Al Brown wrote:
"I offer a small correction about the Tichy kits. Tichy 4032 is their kit for the Georgia Railroad rebuilds; between the trusses the sides are as smooth as, well, steel. The Tichy kit with board detail between the trusses is 4026, the USRA original; 4028 is the PMcK&Y rebuild, whose new sheathing is outside the trusses (it looks like an all-steel car, except for the inset side sill). Of the three, 4032 seems closest to the Erie cars. As Ben says, the roof isn't radial."

Al, thanks for the assist. I realized that I forgot about the GA rebuild while cooking dinner earlier and didn't get a chance to post a correction until now. The Tichy 4032 kit would be the most reasonable starting point from a Tichy kit.

"Speedwitch kit K127 models Georgia Railroad rebuilds with a *Murphy* radial roof; I don't know the difference between that and the Climax roof."
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/k127.htm

It's hard to tell from the photo in Culotta & Kline, but there doesn't appear to be immediate corrugations between the carlines on the Erie car; however, I'd do some more digging on this as I seem to remember a Climax ad in the CBCs that showed the roof but I don't remember where I've seen it before. At any rate, Speedwitch K127 would be an even better starting point than the ones mentioned earlier.


Ben Hom


Re: new scam

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

I have had these multiple times. Twice they have come via an AT&T Operator
who supposedly is conveying the message via some sort of telex to a hearing
impaired customer. The scammer types, the operator reads it to me, I reply,
and the operator telexes it back to the scammer.



I suspect that the operator may be the scammer and there is not a third
party however, the script follows what had come in other emails.



I am running a carpet cleaning business but the core scam appears to be the
same which is to send them my banking information so that they can deposit
funds in my account.



And yes, the grammar is all wrong and in my case, they even got Texas and
Tennessee confused. Pretty obvious scammer who is not very skilled.
However, the sad fact is that some people must fall for this since they keep
trying.



Allen Cain


Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

al_brown03
 

I offer a small correction about the Tichy kits. Tichy 4032 is their kit for the Georgia Railroad rebuilds; between the trusses the sides are as smooth as, well, steel. The Tichy kit with board detail between the trusses is 4026, the USRA original; 4028 is the PMcK&Y rebuild, whose new sheathing is outside the trusses (it looks like an all-steel car, except for the inset side sill). Of the three, 4032 seems closest to the Erie cars. As Ben says, the roof isn't radial.

Speedwitch kit K127 models Georgia Railroad rebuilds with a *Murphy* radial roof; I don't know the difference between that and the Climax roof.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:



Gene Green asked:
"Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999 (renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?"

1936, and the cars received Climax radial roofs in the process. See Cullotta & Kline's The Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p 30-31 for more information plus a photo.


"Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to model this car?"

The rebuilds retained the original truss, so 4032 is out. If you want to go with Tichy 4028, you'll need to sand down the wood sheathing details between the truss members (which would be a chore), and replace the kit roof with a Climax radial roof. Another possible starting point is Westerfield 3365, the modernized N&W USRA SS boxcar with radial roof, but you'd have to check to see how close the N&W roof is to a Climax radial roof. It would be closer to fill in the scribed sheathing of the Westerfield kit than to sand down the details on the Tichy kit.


"My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?"

Al Westerfield still sells his decals for the Erie USRA SS boxcars (kit #3314) separately. They're intended for the cars before their rebuilding in 1936, so you might have to come up with bits and pieces to letter your model accurately for your modeling period.


Ben Hom


Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 15, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Gene wrote:

Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999
(renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to
have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which
were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the
original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?
At the same time that they were renumbered, they got steel side
sheathing in place of wood (but kept their original wood sheathed
doors) and Chicago-Climax radial steel roofs, as well as AB brakes.
I have a photo of one after it was renumbered into MW service.

Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to
model this car?
4032. It has the original USRA side framing with steel sheathing
(4028 has replacement steel sheathed sides).

My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find
anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the
closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?
Champ HN-63 will give you the lettering needed, as well as the small
heralds.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: the five CGW three-bay welded hoppers

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote:
Does someone one the list have a clear photo of one of the CGW welded hoppers which, if memory serves, were constructed in the Thirties?
The cars Pullman built in 1931? Page 267 of the 1940 CBC (also Train Shed #5). Cars were CGW 67591,3,5,7,9.

David Thompson


Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Gene Green asked:
"Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999 (renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?"

1936, and the cars received Climax radial roofs in the process. See Cullotta & Kline's The Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p 30-31 for more information plus a photo.


"Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to model this car?"

The rebuilds retained the original truss, so 4032 is out. If you want to go with Tichy 4028, you'll need to sand down the wood sheathing details between the truss members (which would be a chore), and replace the kit roof with a Climax radial roof. Another possible starting point is Westerfield 3365, the modernized N&W USRA SS boxcar with radial roof, but you'd have to check to see how close the N&W roof is to a Climax radial roof. It would be closer to fill in the scribed sheathing of the Westerfield kit than to sand down the details on the Tichy kit.


"My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?"

Al Westerfield still sells his decals for the Erie USRA SS boxcars (kit #3314) separately. They're intended for the cars before their rebuilding in 1936, so you might have to come up with bits and pieces to letter your model accurately for your modeling period.


Ben Hom


ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999 (renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?

Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to model this car?

My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?

Gene Green


Re: the five CGW three-bay welded hoppers

Thomas Baker
 

Does someone one the list have a clear photo of one of the CGW welded hoppers which, if memory serves, were constructed in the Thirties? The dimensional data for the five all-welded hoppers differ from that of the riveted hoppers in the 67000-series. I believe the numbers for the welded hoppers were as follows: 67999, 67997, 67995, 67993, 67991. A photo showing the lettering clearly would be a great help.

Tom


Re: new scam

Bryan Busséy
 

Al,

I've been receiving them for a while. Usually if the inquiry is
grammatically deficient (given that English is spoken in New Zealand), I
simply ignore them.

__
bb

On 8/15/2010 4:59 PM, Al and Patricia Westerfield wrote:

There appears to be a new scam hitting small businesses. We got an
inquiry supposedly from New Zealand about whether we accept credit
cards for orders. Not unusual. When I replied yes and order came back
for over $1,000 of only three different and unrelated kits except they
were new. There were misspellings in the text both times. Being
suspicious I told the person that we would start on the order after
receiving money through PayPal, thereby insuring both of us against
bad faith. No reply.

However, the other day we received another inquiry about buying
coffins from us. We explained that we make a model of a coffin pickle
car. A reply came back asking to purchase some of those......... - Al



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