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Re: Climax Radial All Steel Roof

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 15, 2010, at 6:49 PM, FRANK PEACOCK wrote:

One reference to these roofs is in the 1931 Car Builders Cyc. p.
362 and 363. It is a radial roof with two minor corrugations
spaced more or less equally between the carlines. One of the
illustrations is of Erie 75893, which is a steel car.
I will add that in the one photo I have of a car in MW service, the
small corrugations between the seam caps are clearly visible.

Richard Hendrickson


Climax Radial All Steel Roof

FRANK PEACOCK
 

One reference to these roofs is in the 1931 Car Builders Cyc. p. 362 and 363. It is a radial roof with two minor corrugations spaced more or less equally between the carlines. One of the illustrations is of Erie 75893, which is a steel car. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)


Re: new scam

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Busséy <bbussey@...> wrote:

Al,

I've been receiving them for a while. Usually if the inquiry is
grammatically deficient (given that English is spoken in New Zealand), I
simply ignore them.
Well here in Aussie we think that they speak a sort of English, but it shouldn't be misspelled anyway. ;-)
Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.


Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

FRANK PEACOCK
 

Richard and STMFC, I checked my copy of the ORER (10/47, p.175, and note A p.176) and I think that it is telling us that only 75 of the cars kept their wood doors, the rest (122 cars) I guess had steel? There seem to be slight differences in the "width at eaves" dimension. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: rhendrickson@opendoor.com
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:07:27 -0700
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ERIE single-sheathed box cars




























On Aug 15, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Gene wrote:



Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999
(renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to
have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which
were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.
Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the
original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?


At the same time that they were renumbered, they got steel side

sheathing in place of wood (but kept their original wood sheathed

doors) and Chicago-Climax radial steel roofs, as well as AB brakes.

I have a photo of one after it was renumbered into MW service.

Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to
model this car?


4032. It has the original USRA side framing with steel sheathing

(4028 has replacement steel sheathed sides).

My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find
anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the
closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?


Champ HN-63 will give you the lettering needed, as well as the small

heralds.



Richard Hendrickson



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Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Al Brown wrote:
"I offer a small correction about the Tichy kits. Tichy 4032 is their kit for the Georgia Railroad rebuilds; between the trusses the sides are as smooth as, well, steel. The Tichy kit with board detail between the trusses is 4026, the USRA original; 4028 is the PMcK&Y rebuild, whose new sheathing is outside the trusses (it looks like an all-steel car, except for the inset side sill). Of the three, 4032 seems closest to the Erie cars. As Ben says, the roof isn't radial."

Al, thanks for the assist. I realized that I forgot about the GA rebuild while cooking dinner earlier and didn't get a chance to post a correction until now. The Tichy 4032 kit would be the most reasonable starting point from a Tichy kit.

"Speedwitch kit K127 models Georgia Railroad rebuilds with a *Murphy* radial roof; I don't know the difference between that and the Climax roof."
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/k127.htm

It's hard to tell from the photo in Culotta & Kline, but there doesn't appear to be immediate corrugations between the carlines on the Erie car; however, I'd do some more digging on this as I seem to remember a Climax ad in the CBCs that showed the roof but I don't remember where I've seen it before. At any rate, Speedwitch K127 would be an even better starting point than the ones mentioned earlier.


Ben Hom


Re: new scam

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

I have had these multiple times. Twice they have come via an AT&T Operator
who supposedly is conveying the message via some sort of telex to a hearing
impaired customer. The scammer types, the operator reads it to me, I reply,
and the operator telexes it back to the scammer.



I suspect that the operator may be the scammer and there is not a third
party however, the script follows what had come in other emails.



I am running a carpet cleaning business but the core scam appears to be the
same which is to send them my banking information so that they can deposit
funds in my account.



And yes, the grammar is all wrong and in my case, they even got Texas and
Tennessee confused. Pretty obvious scammer who is not very skilled.
However, the sad fact is that some people must fall for this since they keep
trying.



Allen Cain


Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

al_brown03
 

I offer a small correction about the Tichy kits. Tichy 4032 is their kit for the Georgia Railroad rebuilds; between the trusses the sides are as smooth as, well, steel. The Tichy kit with board detail between the trusses is 4026, the USRA original; 4028 is the PMcK&Y rebuild, whose new sheathing is outside the trusses (it looks like an all-steel car, except for the inset side sill). Of the three, 4032 seems closest to the Erie cars. As Ben says, the roof isn't radial.

Speedwitch kit K127 models Georgia Railroad rebuilds with a *Murphy* radial roof; I don't know the difference between that and the Climax roof.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:



Gene Green asked:
"Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999 (renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?"

1936, and the cars received Climax radial roofs in the process. See Cullotta & Kline's The Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p 30-31 for more information plus a photo.


"Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to model this car?"

The rebuilds retained the original truss, so 4032 is out. If you want to go with Tichy 4028, you'll need to sand down the wood sheathing details between the truss members (which would be a chore), and replace the kit roof with a Climax radial roof. Another possible starting point is Westerfield 3365, the modernized N&W USRA SS boxcar with radial roof, but you'd have to check to see how close the N&W roof is to a Climax radial roof. It would be closer to fill in the scribed sheathing of the Westerfield kit than to sand down the details on the Tichy kit.


"My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?"

Al Westerfield still sells his decals for the Erie USRA SS boxcars (kit #3314) separately. They're intended for the cars before their rebuilding in 1936, so you might have to come up with bits and pieces to letter your model accurately for your modeling period.


Ben Hom


Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 15, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Gene wrote:

Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999
(renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to
have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which
were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the
original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?
At the same time that they were renumbered, they got steel side
sheathing in place of wood (but kept their original wood sheathed
doors) and Chicago-Climax radial steel roofs, as well as AB brakes.
I have a photo of one after it was renumbered into MW service.

Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to
model this car?
4032. It has the original USRA side framing with steel sheathing
(4028 has replacement steel sheathed sides).

My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find
anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the
closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?
Champ HN-63 will give you the lettering needed, as well as the small
heralds.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: the five CGW three-bay welded hoppers

David
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote:
Does someone one the list have a clear photo of one of the CGW welded hoppers which, if memory serves, were constructed in the Thirties?
The cars Pullman built in 1931? Page 267 of the 1940 CBC (also Train Shed #5). Cars were CGW 67591,3,5,7,9.

David Thompson


Re: ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Gene Green asked:
"Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999 (renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?"

1936, and the cars received Climax radial roofs in the process. See Cullotta & Kline's The Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p 30-31 for more information plus a photo.


"Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to model this car?"

The rebuilds retained the original truss, so 4032 is out. If you want to go with Tichy 4028, you'll need to sand down the wood sheathing details between the truss members (which would be a chore), and replace the kit roof with a Climax radial roof. Another possible starting point is Westerfield 3365, the modernized N&W USRA SS boxcar with radial roof, but you'd have to check to see how close the N&W roof is to a Climax radial roof. It would be closer to fill in the scribed sheathing of the Westerfield kit than to sand down the details on the Tichy kit.


"My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?"

Al Westerfield still sells his decals for the Erie USRA SS boxcars (kit #3314) separately. They're intended for the cars before their rebuilding in 1936, so you might have to come up with bits and pieces to letter your model accurately for your modeling period.


Ben Hom


ERIE single-sheathed box cars

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Looking at the equipment diagram for ERIE box cars 71800-71999 (renumbered from 92500-92699 in 1936 & 1937) these cars seem to have started life in 1919 as USRA single-sheathed box cars which were upgraded with AB brakes in 1936 and 1937.

Apparently they were also given steel sides in place of the original wood sides. Can someone tell me when?

Would either Tichy 4028 or 4032 be the best jumping off point to model this car?

My stash of decals includes nothing for the ERIE. Couldn't find anything suitable on Microscale's site. Is the Champ HN-63 the closest decal or have I missed something somewhere?

Gene Green


Re: the five CGW three-bay welded hoppers

Thomas Baker
 

Does someone one the list have a clear photo of one of the CGW welded hoppers which, if memory serves, were constructed in the Thirties? The dimensional data for the five all-welded hoppers differ from that of the riveted hoppers in the 67000-series. I believe the numbers for the welded hoppers were as follows: 67999, 67997, 67995, 67993, 67991. A photo showing the lettering clearly would be a great help.

Tom


Re: new scam

Bryan Busséy
 

Al,

I've been receiving them for a while. Usually if the inquiry is
grammatically deficient (given that English is spoken in New Zealand), I
simply ignore them.

__
bb

On 8/15/2010 4:59 PM, Al and Patricia Westerfield wrote:

There appears to be a new scam hitting small businesses. We got an
inquiry supposedly from New Zealand about whether we accept credit
cards for orders. Not unusual. When I replied yes and order came back
for over $1,000 of only three different and unrelated kits except they
were new. There were misspellings in the text both times. Being
suspicious I told the person that we would start on the order after
receiving money through PayPal, thereby insuring both of us against
bad faith. No reply.

However, the other day we received another inquiry about buying
coffins from us. We explained that we make a model of a coffin pickle
car. A reply came back asking to purchase some of those......... - Al




new scam

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

There appears to be a new scam hitting small businesses. We got an inquiry supposedly from New Zealand about whether we accept credit cards for orders. Not unusual. When I replied yes and order came back for over $1,000 of only three different and unrelated kits except they were new. There were misspellings in the text both times. Being suspicious I told the person that we would start on the order after receiving money through PayPal, thereby insuring both of us against bad faith. No reply.

However, the other day we received another inquiry about buying coffins from us. We explained that we make a model of a coffin pickle car. A reply came back asking to purchase some of those......... - Al


Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Olsen wrote:
Atlas is releasing new paint schemes for their 11,000 Gallon LPG Tank Car. Here is the write-up about the cars that appeared in the Model Railroad Hobbyist Newsletter for August 2010:

Atlas said the Columbia Southern and Solvay schemes are prototypically correct for smaller tank cars of similar design.
Just how prototypical are these paint schemes for this model and if correct, then when were they used? Are these tank cars the same as those LPG tank cars released earlier or are these cars new tooling?
Tom, what part of the Atlas statement confused you? They are "real" paint schemes but NOT for this car body. And since they've had an 11,000-gallon tank car for some time in HO scale, I'm pretty certain this is that same tooling.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Glad to help. IOW Foobie = noun, Foobar = adjective, Foo = verb

:-)

At 8/15/2010 01:09 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Thanks, guys. My understanding is much better now.
Richard New

--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 1:01 PM


I believe the etymology of the American "foo" begins with World War II's
FUBAR (f***** up beyond all repair). There are now many derivations most
of them using the changed spelling "foo" which is appropriate since a word
that describes something so fouled up should itself be an example.

Tim O'Connor

I'm new to the group. Could the term "foobies" be defined? Is this word consistent with "foolish," "fooled you," and other similar constructs?
Thanks,
Richard New


Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Richard New <loco7mo@...>
 

Thanks, guys. My understanding is much better now.
 
Richard New

--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 1:01 PM


 




I believe the etymology of the American "foo" begins with World War II's
FUBAR (f***** up beyond all repair). There are now many derivations most
of them using the changed spelling "foo" which is appropriate since a word
that describes something so fouled up should itself be an example.

Tim O'Connor

I'm new to the group. Could the term "foobies" be defined? Is this word consistent with "foolish," "fooled you," and other similar constructs?
Thanks,
Richard New










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Re: Atlas 11,000 Gallon LPG Tankcar

Tim O'Connor
 

I believe the etymology of the American "foo" begins with World War II's
FUBAR (f***** up beyond all repair). There are now many derivations most
of them using the changed spelling "foo" which is appropriate since a word
that describes something so fouled up should itself be an example.

Tim O'Connor

I'm new to the group. Could the term "foobies" be defined? Is this word consistent with "foolish," "fooled you," and other similar constructs?
Thanks,
Richard New


Re: Dates for Prototype Rails 2011?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Tom,

Sorry for the terseness of my earlier reply; I sent it from my mobile phone, where typing is a bit of a chore.

Prototype Rails 2011 is January 6 – 9, 2011 in Cocoa Beach, FL. A few details are available on our website at http://www.prototyperails.com .

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:51 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Dates for Prototype Rails 2011?



See Prototyperails.com<http://Prototyperails.com>.






On Aug 14, 2010, at 4:56 PM, "pullmanboss" <tcmadden@q.com<mailto:tcmadden%40q.com><mailto:tcmadden@q.com<mailto:tcmadden%40q.com>>> wrote:



Are the dates set yet for Prototype Rails 2011?

Tom Madden


Reminder Rails by the River #2 Salem, OR

Greg Martin
 

Just a reminder that next Friday we'll be presenting:

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