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Re: What do you guys use to drill holes in plastic and Resin?

Douglas Harding
 

I'm with Clark, I had an early version of the Xacto unit, nice and slow. Now I use the smaller cordless Dremel, like Pierre. Again
nice, slow, controllable and easy to handle.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Bill,
 
Must be factory applied rust & mold.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, lnbill <fgexbill@...> wrote:


From: lnbill <fgexbill@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:39 PM


 



What is the strange growth on the latitudinal running board in the last photo?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "pwkrueger" <kruegerp@...> wrote:

BLI put eight photos of one of these cars on their web site this week. Here is a link to the first photo in the gallery:
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/view.aspx?productId=2332

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA







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Re: B&O M55

rwitt_2000
 

Mark,

My comments are below. I hope to do an article for The Sentinel sometime
next year about this group of cars.

Bob Witt

Mark Morgan wrote:

I have a couple questions on the following cars:

M55 384000-384499 blt 1940
Built by Press Steel Car Co. The ends are similar to those used on the
M-55c, but these have square corner posts. Some believe these ends came
from a General American. All three boxcars represent B&O returned to the
use of standard designs after all activity by J. J. Tatum,
Superintendent of Cars, from 1920 to 1940. All the class M-55 boxcars
follow the basic AAR 1937 standard, but with different roofs, different
ends, and different underframes as allowed. The M-55 did receive Tatum
"XLT slack adjusters" and I believed they also were applied to the M-55a
and M-55b. The ends from an old Roundhouse cars would be a poor
substitute. In times past Speedwitch wanted to do a resin kit of these
cars possibly using one of the commercial AAR 1937 boxcars as a starting
point. This project would have given us the many Tatum "XLT" parts used
such as the slack adjuster, brake step, ladders among others, plus the
correct roof, ends and Duryea underframes.

M55a 465000-465899 blt 1941
Both the M-55a and M-55b were built by Pullman-Standard and both a
design use by Pullman-Standard during the early 1940s. The ends are very
similar to those applied to the B&O M-57 automobile boxcar. These have
"W" braced corner posts. These boxcars have been discussed previously on
this list. The WLE and KCS received boxcars also built by P-S with
similar ends.

M55b 465900-465999 blt 1942
Examination of the blueprints indicates the main different between these
subclasses are the type of Duryea underframes. For the class M-55b the
Duryea underframes were changed to allow use of the AAR Z-26 center
sills.

All cars had a plate steel roof with lapped seams. They were
Pullman-Standards parts for the M-55a and M-55b. All had the panels at
the ends recessed to lower the lateral running boards so these cars
could be used in "general service" and meet the clearance restrictions
on the B&O. Recall that the tallest general service boxcars on the B&O
in the early 1940s were the M-53 wagon-tops.

Many of these cars were assigned to auto parts service with with many
subclasses all the way the the letter "M"





All have Duryea under frames and odd ends. Flat steel plate roof on
M55 not sure about the other two classes. The ends on M55a appear to be
similar to Roundhouse boxcar with the curved roof.

Picture of M55 and M55a in B&O color book pages 75 and 76. The photo
of car number 465273 shows a slack adjuster, was this a later addition.


Trucks in "O"

Rich Yoder
 

Several of you modelers out there are surprised to find out that I make and
sell trucks in "O" scale and p48.

Well now is the time to look at my truck page and check out what is going
on.

http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_trucks.htm



Sincerely,

Rich Yoder


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

jerryglow2
 

It's on my set for the Tichy P&LE/PMcK&Y rebuild also.
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/PLE.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bill, I haven't run downstairs to check, but I think that the
NYC triangular stencil can be found on some of Mark Vaughan's
decal sets and also in some CDS dry transfers.

Tim O'Connor



I would hope no grain will be loaded in these as there is daylight around the doors perimeter making papering difficult. Also whoever opened the door was very strong as they ripped the body part of the locking hardware right off the side of the car.

The only notable positive thing I see is the little triangular stencil, unavailable in any decal set.

This is great example of why I prefer undecorated models, as there is some much clunky material to remove and replace and I am just colour blind enough that matching paint for me is a lost cause.

There goes the triangular stencil I guess.

I hope BLI is running these past someone before they go into production!

Maybe the trucks are okay.

Bill Welch


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Bill,
 
Pray you never have to change out the trucks. They appear to be the same type used on the stock cars, and drove the Pennsy fans bonkers mounting new ones.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 4:14 PM


 




Bill, I haven't run downstairs to check, but I think that the
NYC triangular stencil can be found on some of Mark Vaughan's
decal sets and also in some CDS dry transfers.

Tim O'Connor

I would hope no grain will be loaded in these as there is daylight around the doors perimeter making papering difficult. Also whoever opened the door was very strong as they ripped the body part of the locking hardware right off the side of the car.

The only notable positive thing I see is the little triangular stencil, unavailable in any decal set.

This is great example of why I prefer undecorated models, as there is some much clunky material to remove and replace and I am just colour blind enough that matching paint for me is a lost cause.

There goes the triangular stencil I guess.

I hope BLI is running these past someone before they go into production!

Maybe the trucks are okay.

Bill Welch


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill, I haven't run downstairs to check, but I think that the
NYC triangular stencil can be found on some of Mark Vaughan's
decal sets and also in some CDS dry transfers.

Tim O'Connor

I would hope no grain will be loaded in these as there is daylight around the doors perimeter making papering difficult. Also whoever opened the door was very strong as they ripped the body part of the locking hardware right off the side of the car.

The only notable positive thing I see is the little triangular stencil, unavailable in any decal set.

This is great example of why I prefer undecorated models, as there is some much clunky material to remove and replace and I am just colour blind enough that matching paint for me is a lost cause.

There goes the triangular stencil I guess.

I hope BLI is running these past someone before they go into production!

Maybe the trucks are okay.

Bill Welch


Re: Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

Tim O'Connor
 

How about the old Ulrich triple hopper? You'd have to redo the
sides and gussets (grind off?) because it represents the AAR
alternate standard style of construction, but otherwise the body
shape appears pretty close.

Tim O'Connor

They'd be foobies, but getting to an accurate IC offset triple is not an easy
path. The IC cars are a taller three-bay version of the ARA offset quad
familiar to HO scale modelers as the Athearn (and multiple knockoffs) quad, with
the earlier "stepped" taper. The following photos are of these cars after
rebuilding in the 1970s:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/icg330532alb.jpg
http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg24.htm

I remember seeing an in-process HO scale model of one of these cars out at the
first St. Louis prototype meet done from an MDC offset triple, but I don't
remember the modeler (it was either Dan Kohlberg or Mike Budde). The problem,
as always, with this model is the goofy deep side sill and shallow profile
hoppers, but it does have the stepped taper and, with Archer rivets now
available, doing the four side sheet reinforcements is now a lot easier.
Another route would be to convert an Athearn quad to a three bay hopper, but my
gut feeling is that this conversion would be too short in height.

Ben Hom


Re: Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve, which one? I think Stewart made 4 70-ton triple hoppers.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/10/2010 02:34 PM Friday, you wrote:
Sorry, Ben--

To clarify, the 70-ton ex-Stewart tripple hopper.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Steve Lucas asked:
"I have a couple of undec HO Bowser three-bay hopper kits. Are they suitable for
modelling IC hoppers, or total foobies if decorated for the IC?"

Are you asking about the former Stewart offset triple, or the 100-ton triple?


Ben Hom


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Tim O'Connor
 

Nevertheless, I have to say I've never seen a lateral supported
that way before! It looks from the side like an upside-down grab
iron underneath the lateral.

Has anyone compared these cars to Westerfield's? From these BLI
photos I can't say I'm inclined to buy plastic over resin.

Tim O'Connor

Bill,

I believe it is often called "detail", but I don't think I've seen anything quite like it.

The running board lateral looks like it is defying gravity. In this proto image, it seems the lateral is supported closer to the edge of the roof.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&e-3609.jpg

In BLI images 3 & 4, it seems the door is slightly smaller than the opening.

Are these on hobby shop shelves?

Eric


Re: Great Northern Flat Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Have you got Railmodel Journal, January 1997? Covers
GN 69000-69299, 69500-69999, with two photos of the later
cars.

There's at least one photo in the GNRHS website photo archive
of GN 67605, which appears to be a rebuilt version of the cars
built in the 1920's.

Tim O'

I have had some 'downtime' recently but now am involved with a project trying to find photos of Great Northern 40 foot flatcars. I just spent a fair amount of time prowling the web but clearly my search keywords must be better phrased to yield any results.

I would greatly appreciate any leads or links to sites that might help me in my search.

Thanks in advance.

Bob Kutella


Yahoo malfunction

Panhandle Division 1953 <prrinvt@...>
 

List

I am a list owner, and keep several group lists. For some reason, known only to the gremlins of cyberspace, my proto modelers list has been sending out yahoo connect posts. I worked with the crew at moderator
central, and all is working fine. I sincerely apologize to all who were inconveninced by the random postings.

Fred Freitas
{Reefer Madness}


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Bill Welch
 

I would hope no grain will be loaded in these as there is daylight around the doors perimeter making papering difficult. Also whoever opened the door was very strong as they ripped the body part of the locking hardware right off the side of the car.

The only notable positive thing I see is the little triangular stencil, unavailable in any decal set.

This is great example of why I prefer undecorated models, as there is some much clunky material to remove and replace and I am just colour blind enough that matching paint for me is a lost cause.

There goes the triangular stencil I guess.

I hope BLI is running these past someone before they go into production!

Maybe the trucks are okay.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Eric" <eric@...> wrote:

Bill,

I believe it is often called "detail", but I don't think I've seen anything quite like it.

The running board lateral looks like it is defying gravity. In this proto image, it seems the lateral is supported closer to the edge of the roof.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&e-3609.jpg

In BLI images 3 & 4, it seems the door is slightly smaller than the opening.

Are these on hobby shop shelves?

Eric




Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the Railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926:
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/



--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@> wrote:

What is the strange growth on the latitudinal running board in the last photo?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "pwkrueger" <kruegerp@> wrote:

BLI put eight photos of one of these cars on their web site this week. Here is a link to the first photo in the gallery:
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/view.aspx?productId=2332

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Lucas asked:
"I have a couple of undec HO Bowser (ex-Stewart 70-ton) three-bay hopper kits.
Are they suitable for

modelling IC hoppers, or total foobies if decorated for the IC?"
 
They'd be foobies, but getting to an accurate IC offset triple is not an easy
path.  The IC cars are a taller three-bay version of the ARA offset quad
familiar to HO scale modelers as the Athearn (and multiple knockoffs) quad, with
the earlier "stepped" taper.  The following photos are of these cars after
rebuilding in the 1970s:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/icg330532alb.jpg
http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg24.htm
 
I remember seeing an in-process HO scale model of one of these cars out at the
first St. Louis prototype meet done from an MDC offset triple, but I don't
remember the modeler (it was either Dan Kohlberg or Mike Budde).  The problem,
as always, with this model is the goofy deep side sill and shallow profile
hoppers, but it does have the stepped taper and, with Archer rivets now
available, doing the four side sheet reinforcements is now a lot easier. 
Another route would be to convert an Athearn quad to a three bay hopper, but my
gut feeling is that this conversion would be too short in height.
 

Ben Hom

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Re: Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Sorry, Ben--

To clarify, the 70-ton ex-Stewart tripple hopper.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Steve Lucas asked:
"I have a couple of undec HO Bowser three-bay hopper kits. Are they suitable for
modelling IC hoppers, or total foobies if decorated for the IC?"
 
Are you asking about the former Stewart offset triple, or the 100-ton triple?
 
 
Ben Hom

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill,

I believe it is often called "detail", but I don't think I've seen anything quite like it.

The running board lateral looks like it is defying gravity. In this proto image, it seems the lateral is supported closer to the edge of the roof.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&e-3609.jpg

In BLI images 3 & 4, it seems the door is slightly smaller than the opening.

Are these on hobby shop shelves?

Eric




Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the Railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926:
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

What is the strange growth on the latitudinal running board in the last photo?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "pwkrueger" <kruegerp@> wrote:

BLI put eight photos of one of these cars on their web site this week. Here is a link to the first photo in the gallery:
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/view.aspx?productId=2332

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Lucas asked:
"I have a couple of undec HO Bowser three-bay hopper kits. Are they suitable for
modelling IC hoppers, or total foobies if decorated for the IC?"
 
Are you asking about the former Stewart offset triple, or the 100-ton triple?
 
 
Ben Hom

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Illinois Central 3-bay hopper...

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I have a couple of undec HO Bowser three-bay hopper kits. Are they suitable for modelling IC hoppers, or total foobies if decorated for the IC?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars - photos posted

Bill Welch
 

What is the strange growth on the latitudinal running board in the last photo?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "pwkrueger" <kruegerp@...> wrote:

BLI put eight photos of one of these cars on their web site this week. Here is a link to the first photo in the gallery:
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/view.aspx?productId=2332

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: What do you guys use to drill holes in plastic and Resin?

VINCE PUGLIESE
 

Another option for speed control is something like this:

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-speed-control-43060.html

assuming you are using a "simple" on/off-controlled rotary tool ( like a router,
hence the name)

.vp




________________________________
From: Eric <eric@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 10:36:56 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: What do you guys use to drill holes in plastic and Resin?

 
Tim,

I am not certain but I think the dimmer works with the older Dremels because of
a change in the motor or motor brushes that occurred when the variable speed
Dremels began appearing.


I used a metal double-outlet box and mounted a regular outlet and a dimmer
switch. You can break off two tabs on the outlet to separate the two recepticles
and wire as two separate circuits. Read the piece of paper that comes with a new
outlet as the details are there. At least they were on my purchase. I wired one
recepticle to the dimmer and one direct. The wiring was then ganged to a heavy
duty extension cord to use as a portable unit. I marked VAR on the box beside
the recepticle that is controlled by the dimmer. This dimmer control idea may
have been covered in Model Rairoader many, many years ago.


By all means, if you have any questions about this, please consult an
electrician first. I did.

The dimmer makes for good speed control of my old Dremel, which only has an
on-off switch. I can adjust speed based upon material and drill size.


Eric

Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the Railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1926:
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Eric

That's an interesting idea, sounds better than the foot pedal.
I don't know about electrical stuff, but I think the old dimmers
used a rheostat (variable resistance) but the new dimmers use a
completely different technique -- perhaps that's why they don't
work so well with the Dremel?

Tim O'Connor

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