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Re: Endangered Tools

Brian Ehni <behni@...>
 

You¹re forgiven for the poor Latin spelling, but that¹s not a proper Latin
phrase in the first place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum

Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni




From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:51:18 -0000
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Endangered Tools






Dear Denny and everyone:

I encountered this when trying to find an HO ruler while I continue to find
some of my tools from my move a year ago. I have two, one a long Walthers
example which is good but often feels unwieldy because of its 12 inch or so
length. My short one, which is still eluding me, is I think from "General
Tool" and is about 6-inches and BTW is NOT straight on one side. It is great
for measuring in HO including one section in HO inches. So desperate was I
for a small one right now that I ordered a "Factory second" manufactured for
a company named "Creative Horizons" that no longer sells these rulers. The
price was about $2 and it is straight on both sides and will serve until I
can find my favorite, albeit crooked one. It is straight on the HO edge.

I did order something from H&R Trains and will pick it up. Walthers no
longer offers any under its brand and buying something like this from a
website or catalog is difficult. Some are described as flexible, which is
the LAST thing I want in a ruler.

I am sure my small one will show up and now think it is in the same box with
the small power supply for my little drill and my HO calipers which are
plastic but okay. I wish I had been modeling when PFM offered an HO caliber.

So I echo Denny's Caveat Emptor but also go by the words of Gen. "Vinegar"
Joe Stillwell's advice: "Illegitimum non carborundum." (pardon my poor Latin
spelling)

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Denny
Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:

Like the advancing thin edge of the wedge, it has come to my attention that
several of our very favorite tools are no longer available, namely the very fine
Utica Swiss-made PBL sprue cutters, both varieties. They are no longer on
dealers' shelves, nor are they on P-B-L's website or product list. I suspect
that with the weak dollar, PBL could not longer afford to import them, and the
flooding of the modeling market with cheap Pakistan clones by Micro Mark did not
help (the Micro Mark cutter WILL cut melted butter but nothing more substantial-
making it as a replacement tool a pretty dear item).

Otto Frei has a similar Swiss cutter to the Swiss P-B-L varieties (Dumont
No. 15A High Precision Carbon Steel Tweezers 157.312) at @$87; and Wiha has a
German-made variety #49501- almost identical @$86, which gives some clue as to
what values are involved for fine tools these days. .

Also noted is that in some Otto Frei listings, their outstanding, popular, and
precise French- made brass-handle/steel-chuck miniature pin vise #23650 is
either just "Out of Stock", or is no longer listed. I have made inquiry.

Although I do take extremely good care of tools (usually!), this certainly is
a cautionary note to guard even more closely my P-B-Ls, reserving to cutting
pliers any tasks calling for cutting any metals, no matter how small.

Also, once again, with regard to the MicroMark copy, I got exactly what I paid
for- performance and quality commensurate with the cheap price. Caveat Emptor.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach, MD
Okoboji, Iowa







Re: Endangered Tools

Bill Welch
 

Dear Denny and everyone:

I encountered this when trying to find an HO ruler while I continue to find some of my tools from my move a year ago. I have two, one a long Walthers example which is good but often feels unwieldy because of its 12 inch or so length. My short one, which is still eluding me, is I think from "General Tool" and is about 6-inches and BTW is NOT straight on one side. It is great for measuring in HO including one section in HO inches. So desperate was I for a small one right now that I ordered a "Factory second" manufactured for a company named "Creative Horizons" that no longer sells these rulers. The price was about $2 and it is straight on both sides and will serve until I can find my favorite, albeit crooked one. It is straight on the HO edge.

I did order something from H&R Trains and will pick it up. Walthers no longer offers any under its brand and buying something like this from a website or catalog is difficult. Some are described as flexible, which is the LAST thing I want in a ruler.

I am sure my small one will show up and now think it is in the same box with the small power supply for my little drill and my HO calipers which are plastic but okay. I wish I had been modeling when PFM offered an HO caliber.

So I echo Denny's Caveat Emptor but also go by the words of Gen. "Vinegar" Joe Stillwell's advice: "Illegitimum non carborundum." (pardon my poor Latin spelling)

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:

Like the advancing thin edge of the wedge, it has come to my attention that several of our very favorite tools are no longer available, namely the very fine Utica Swiss-made PBL sprue cutters, both varieties. They are no longer on dealers' shelves, nor are they on P-B-L's website or product list. I suspect that with the weak dollar, PBL could not longer afford to import them, and the flooding of the modeling market with cheap Pakistan clones by Micro Mark did not help (the Micro Mark cutter WILL cut melted butter but nothing more substantial- making it as a replacement tool a pretty dear item).

Otto Frei has a similar Swiss cutter to the Swiss P-B-L varieties (Dumont No. 15A High Precision Carbon Steel Tweezers 157.312) at @$87; and Wiha has a German-made variety #49501- almost identical @$86, which gives some clue as to what values are involved for fine tools these days. .

Also noted is that in some Otto Frei listings, their outstanding, popular, and precise French- made brass-handle/steel-chuck miniature pin vise #23650 is either just "Out of Stock", or is no longer listed. I have made inquiry.

Although I do take extremely good care of tools (usually!), this certainly is a cautionary note to guard even more closely my P-B-Ls, reserving to cutting pliers any tasks calling for cutting any metals, no matter how small.

Also, once again, with regard to the MicroMark copy, I got exactly what I paid for- performance and quality commensurate with the cheap price. Caveat Emptor.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach, MD
Okoboji, Iowa





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Re: NC&StL (was GN) Flat Cars

FRANK PEACOCK
 

I'm going with freight car red for the color of NC&StL flat cars. About 25-30 years ago Richard told me that railroads generally paint their open tops the same. Since the N&C painted their hoppers and gons FCR that is what I am gonna paint the flats. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

To: STMFC@...
From: rhendrickson@...
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:47:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NC&StL (was GN) Flat Cars




























On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:



Ben Hom wrote
A builder's photo of NC&StL 70229 was published in the 1928 and 1931
issues of the Car Builders Cyclopedia.
... and that photo makes the car appear to be painted black.
Later photos from the 1950's appear to be oxide red.


That's my conclusion, too, since I've never found either a color

photo or NC&StL color documentation. FWIW, I painted my model

mineral red.



Richard Hendrickson



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Atlas' CN steel rebuild box car...

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Benjamin Hom stated that he didn't know if the "Atlas USRA rebuild" was an accuarate model of a CN car.

Now that I've looked at Atlas' photos of the models in N and HO, I'll put it this way--Foobie alert!

http://www.wig-wag-trains.com/Atlas%20Pages/Atlas%20Pictures/Box-cars/USRA-Rebuilt-Box/45827_CN-O.JPG

for the HO car.

Some personal opinion follows...

Close, but no cigar.

Reporting marks, data, and "CANADIAN NATIONAL" lettering are too large. Leaf herald should be centred on panel next to grabirons. Dimensional data font is too large.

Ends should be flush with the sides.

Roof should be Hutchins Dry Lading for this car number; not a flat, rivetted roof.

Stirrups are wrong.

Door is clunky. Camel door rollers missing handle and poorly reporesented on model. And what is that thing that the door slides in? Even Athearn's 40' steel boxcar lower door track was less crude than this.

You can buy this in HO or N--if you want to...

Steve Lucas.


Re: Endangered Tools

Tim O'Connor
 

Denny

Didn't Terry Wegmann also make some of these? I seem to recall
someone at Naperville with handfuls of these "home made" sprue
cutters... (This would be a while before they became widely known
and sold by P-B-L and others.)

But yeah, as kit building disappears as a hobby, all of the support
infrastructure (tools, adhesives, paints, decals, detail parts) may
disappear too. But not in our lifetimes I hope. :-)

Tim O'Connor

Like the advancing thin edge of the wedge, it has come to my attention that several of our very favorite tools are no longer available, namely the very fine Utica Swiss-made PBL sprue cutters, both varieties. They are no longer on dealers' shelves, nor are they on P-B-L's website or product list. I suspect that with the weak dollar, PBL could not longer afford to import them, and the flooding of the modeling market with cheap Pakistan clones by Micro Mark did not help (the Micro Mark cutter WILL cut melted butter but nothing more substantial- making it as a replacement tool a pretty dear item).

Otto Frei has a similar Swiss cutter to the Swiss P-B-L varieties (Dumont No. 15A High Precision Carbon Steel Tweezers 157.312) at @$87; and Wiha has a German-made variety #49501- almost identical @$86, which gives some clue as to what values are involved for fine tools these days. .

Also noted is that in some Otto Frei listings, their outstanding, popular, and precise French- made brass-handle/steel-chuck miniature pin vise #23650 is either just "Out of Stock", or is no longer listed. I have made inquiry.

Although I do take extremely good care of tools (usually!), this certainly is a cautionary note to guard even more closely my P-B-Ls, reserving to cutting pliers any tasks calling for cutting any metals, no matter how small.

Also, once again, with regard to the MicroMark copy, I got exactly what I paid for- performance and quality commensurate with the cheap price. Caveat Emptor.

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Okoboji, Iowa


Re: Sale of Champ Decals

Ken O'Brien
 

I just received an order from them on Saturday. Their invoice says they are closing the doors at the end of September. HTH

Ken O'Brien


Re: ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "lifeisgood_u2" <goodheart05@...> wrote:

I enjoy resin and the better plastic kits but have started an ambitious new layout, so don't log much craftsman kit time these days. But need a fleet of period (30's)cars in the interm. Was talking to a dealer and we mentioned Accurail and lamented that they didn't have a line of cars with separate ladders, grabs, etc. as a balance between the shake-the-box and time-consuming craftsman kits. He said "yeah, everyone says that," so I assume Accurail hears it a lot too. Some of our members clearly have ties to Accurail. Can anyone comment on Accurail's position on the topic?

Wayne O'Hern
New York & Northern (aka Rutland)
I've been reading all the nice things people have had to say about Accurail kits, and suppose I should comment.

The main reason why Accurail won't consider doing kits with multiple separate ladders and grab irons is simply that then they wouldn't be Accurail kits. One cannot be all things to all people, as the recent discussion of the new NYC car has pointed out, and the Accurail name has come to be associated with kits that take a certain level of skill, and yield a model having a certain level of fidelity to prototype.

My partner and I have been in this hobby a very long time. Both of us date back to the time when plastic models could only be had from (in decreasing order of fidelity) Athearn, Train Miniature, MDC/Roundhouse, and AHM. Craftsman kits came from outfits like Ambroid and Northeastern; those sported separate grabs, but lacked such basic detail as rivets and bolt heads. Resin kits were just on the horizon, with people such as Bill Clouser doing fabulous (but pricey) work in 1/4" scale.

In those days, an awful lot of editorial space was devoted to trying to convince manufacturers to make the styrene equivalent of a craftsman kit. I've seen many try, starting, I suppose, with Kurtz Kraft, which was out of production but still available when I attained a skill level where I could build them. Of the many companies that followed that advice, none are making kits today; they are either out of business, or send their work to China to have it pre-assembled, and bring it back at a price that is easily ten times what a model freight car was when I started in the hobby. We do not believe this is where the future of the hobby lies.

What was learned during these intervening years is that the market for highly detailed KITS is not proportional to the cost of producing them. Here resin has a clear advantage, as while resin kits are relatively expensive, most of that is due to the cost of production; very little is at risk as the initial investment in tooling.

As to comments that "many" people have asked for this alternate product line, define many. I am reminded of a conversation I had with a modeler at a convention some years ago, who was trying to convince us that Accurail should enter N scale. I was trying to pin down what would be desirable about our product to the N scale market, and his reply was, "with brand X quality at Accurail prices, you'd make a killing." When I pointed out that due to the difference in the size of the potential market, we would likely have to charge the same prices as Brand X, he basically said, "Don't bother." Sometimes you can't take peoples' statements at face value; you need to dig a bit deeper to get to the truth.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

Greg Martin
 

For the 5th Ave Car Shops/Accurai Car and the Needham Packing Sioux City Dressed Beef car (which were both decorated) I simply taped of the marking on the car and used Testors Chrome yellow for a close match to the color. After I recently weathered them both there was no real difference. They will both be in Cocoa Beach on display. I plan to have some 11x14 color photos of the prototype(s) on display for review.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Armand Premo <armprem2@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2010 3:10 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs




I have recently tried to upgrade an Accurail reefer.All went well until I tried to match the paint.I never knew there were so many different shades of yellow.What would you suggest that I use? Armand Premo
-----

Bill and All,

Off line I sent Wayne a couple of photos of the Shake N Take Accurail
Reefer we did in the past and one that was done later representing the Needham
Packing/Sioux City Dressed Beef car that I did and have had at Cocoa Beach.
These cars are simple (currently have four underframes nearly completed on
the bench) and the results are better than average. Never having built a
resin kit I have finished I suffer from a comparison issue. I nearly finished
a Roller Bearing Models resin Troop Sleeper but gave it to a friend
before it was finished. Shame on me, well perhaps.

I will likely never finish all the styrene kits that I have in my "stash".

Greg Martin

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Re: The Atlas USRA steel rebuild. Again.

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

CN had 250 steel rebuilds done by the GTW's Port Huron shops in 1936 of a steel-frame boxcar originally built for the Grand Trunk. Port Huron also did a large number of these cars for the GTW within a year or two of the CN cars. While on the subject of Accurail, I'll add that the original GTR car and a later CN rebuild (CN 463000-series) of it can be modelled quite easily with an Accurail kit. Thanks, Dennis!

Back to those CN rebuilds--

470000-470149 had Hutchins rooves.

470150-470249 had raised panel rooves.

Ends were 7/8, with an about 4" panel separating the two halves of the end.

Here's a photo of one of these cars, off its trucks, mind you--

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/136246761/pic/1370110130/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

And a closer view of the end--

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/136246761/pic/1057113261/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

A closer view of the side--

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/136246761/pic/991763783/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

The Atlas car is at best a "stand-in", as it does not have the "fishbelly" underframe that these cars had. As I have built the two that I'll need (these were a VERY small part--less than 1%--of CN's steel boxcar fleet), I've not compared the rest of the Atlas car to the CN prototype. But you can compare the Atlas model vs. prototype photos I've linked here.

I have modelled both varieties of thse cars in HO. I used a Sylvan Scale kit for the Hutchins roof version, and a heavy kitbash of a Tichy steel rebuild kit for the raised panel roof incarnation.

If anyone wants more info on these cars, feel free to email me off list.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Ed Sutorik asked:
"Anyway, Atlas has announced another run of their USRA rebuilds. I did a search of this list, and it appears the cars MIGHT work for ACL and/or Frisco. But those list-comments appeared before the car was widely available.

So, I'm asking if there are any new comments about these cars. I note that Atlas is supplying them with two kinds of ends and two kinds of underframes, so at least they're trying."

OK, I now see the release that Ed was referring to:
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt1.htm
and it's "good" that the 8-panel cars are available.

Unfortunately, my comments in post numbers 83458 and 23214 still stand. In this case of these models, the big stumbling points are the roofs, ends, and IH of these prototypes:

Roofs: All prototypes had the original roof replaced - Viking (CMO), Murphy rectangular panel (AA, EJ&E, RI), or railroad specific design (DT&I).

Ends/IH: The DT&I, EJ&E, and AA retained their original ends and received only a marginal increase in IH at most (2"). (The ends on the AA model on the webpage are incorrect - they should be 7/8.) The CMO and RI cars were 10 ft IH cars, and a blank splice panel was used on the ends to increase their height.

I don't have information on the CN rebuilds handy to make a call on their accuracy.

These are very frustrating models. It looks as if Atlas is trying to capitalize on their approach on the 1932 ARA boxcars by tooling up different variations, but in the case of these rebuilds, the combination of variations are very railroad specific, and the end result are akin to the Train-Miniature SS and DS boxcars: variations of the same tooling that in the end produce models that aren't accurate for anything out of the box.


Ben Hom


NC&StL ACF 40' 'Yellow Stripe' boxcars

Bob McCarthy
 

Richard,

    We have recently printed decals for the above boxcars in O and S.  Do you think there would be any desire for them in HO?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy
THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC
803-429-1811

--- On Mon, 9/13/10, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NC&StL (was GN) Flat Cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 6:47 PM







 









On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:



Ben Hom wrote
A builder's photo of NC&StL 70229 was published in the 1928 and 1931
issues of the Car Builders Cyclopedia.
... and that photo makes the car appear to be painted black.
Later photos from the 1950's appear to be oxide red.


That's my conclusion, too, since I've never found either a color

photo or NC&StL color documentation. FWIW, I painted my model

mineral red.



Richard Hendrickson



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Re: NC&StL (was GN) Flat Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 13, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Ben Hom wrote

A builder's photo of NC&StL 70229 was published in the 1928 and 1931
issues of the Car Builders Cyclopedia.
... and that photo makes the car appear to be painted black.
Later photos from the 1950's appear to be oxide red.
That's my conclusion, too, since I've never found either a color
photo or NC&StL color documentation. FWIW, I painted my model
mineral red.

Richard Hendrickson


Endangered Tools

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Like the advancing thin edge of the wedge, it has come to my attention that several of our very favorite tools are no longer available, namely the very fine Utica Swiss-made PBL sprue cutters, both varieties. They are no longer on dealers' shelves, nor are they on P-B-L's website or product list. I suspect that with the weak dollar, PBL could not longer afford to import them, and the flooding of the modeling market with cheap Pakistan clones by Micro Mark did not help (the Micro Mark cutter WILL cut melted butter but nothing more substantial- making it as a replacement tool a pretty dear item).

Otto Frei has a similar Swiss cutter to the Swiss P-B-L varieties (Dumont No. 15A High Precision Carbon Steel Tweezers 157.312) at @$87; and Wiha has a German-made variety #49501- almost identical @$86, which gives some clue as to what values are involved for fine tools these days. .

Also noted is that in some Otto Frei listings, their outstanding, popular, and precise French- made brass-handle/steel-chuck miniature pin vise #23650 is either just "Out of Stock", or is no longer listed. I have made inquiry.

Although I do take extremely good care of tools (usually!), this certainly is a cautionary note to guard even more closely my P-B-Ls, reserving to cutting pliers any tasks calling for cutting any metals, no matter how small.

Also, once again, with regard to the MicroMark copy, I got exactly what I paid for- performance and quality commensurate with the cheap price. Caveat Emptor.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach, MD
Okoboji, Iowa


Re: ACCURAIL paint colors

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "ealabhan0" <ealabhan0@...> wrote:

I suspect Ken was thinking of 5th Avenue Car Shops, who market excellent custom painted and lettered Accurail cars, and whose web site has a complete list of all current and previously issued cars by road number with Polly Scale references for matching the sides and ends of all their cars. I have not seen this on Accurail's web site for their own releases; note that on their Decal Renumber Set page, they advise that "There have been too many changes in paint formulation for us to be able to match the color of many of our older kits." I suspect that like many other manufacturers, Accurail uses commercial paint products rather than paint from any of the firms that market to modelers. Perhaps Dennis Storzek can comment on this.
Actually, we were using Po.lyscale, and the list is still on our web site, under "Paint Information":

http://accurail.com/accurail/paint.htm

The problem is, about two years ago Testors, the makers of Polyscale, notified us that they were not willing to package and sell paint in bulk any longer, so we are again using commercial coatings matched to the old colors. Drift control is always a problem in this situation, and so the colors may no longer be a good match. I see that while the paint list is still up, none of the newer releases have the colors noted.

The reason for the disclaimer on the re-number decal order slip is to ward off people trying to order decals for kits that were produced decades ago, that we would have no way of knowing what color the paint might be.

Dennis


Re: NC&StL (was G N) Flat Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

When you originally asked about GN flat cars, I assumed that
you meant the RED CABOOSE "USRA" flat cars, not the TICHY flat
cars. My mistake.

The CHAMP decal set HC-646 was produced especially for the
GOULD (TICHY) flat cars and includes NC&StL, L&N, T&P, MKT,
GN, CP, WP and BAR -- but strangely, not SSW, which definitely
had such cars. Anyway, I've only seen evidence of the NC&StL,
T&P, SSW, and CP flat cars, even though this set was supposed
to be highly accurate.

GN had some longer straight side sill flat cars, but I've never
seen a photo of one the size of the TICHY flat.

The HC-646 contains a variety of road name lettering for GN,
so it may be good for other (and larger) GN flats than the
TICHY or RED CABOOSE kits.

Tim O'Connor


Re: ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

Andy Carlson
 

Perhaps the source of this confusion was the first runs of the Atlas hopper. I
heard that Atlas sent some published plans (Mainline Modeler?) to China, where
the car duplicated the error of the extra post printed on the plans across the
stapled page. I believe that Atlas corrected this error on later runs.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Remember, the Tichy USRA twin hopper is almost 18" too long.
Accurails, while having cast-on grabs, are the correct length.
Not so. See this photo comparing the two bodies:
http://www.pullmanproject.com/Hoppers%20compared.jpg

Tom Madden


Re: NC&StL (was GN) Flat Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben Hom wrote

A builder's photo of NC&StL 70229 was published in the 1928 and 1931
issues of the Car Builders Cyclopedia.
... and that photo makes the car appear to be painted black.
Later photos from the 1950's appear to be oxide red.

Tim O'Connor


Re: ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Ray Breyer wrote:
Remember, the Tichy USRA twin hopper is almost 18" too long.
Accurails, while having cast-on grabs, are the correct length.
Not so. See this photo comparing the two bodies:
http://www.pullmanproject.com/Hoppers%20compared.jpg

Tom Madden


WPM This Saturday, September 18

dh30973
 

WPM 2010 - Western Prototype Modelers Meet

When: Saturday September 18, 2010
Where: San Bernardino Santa Fe Depot
1170 West Third Street. - San Bernardino, CA 92403
What Time: 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM

The west coast's largest gathering for railroad prototype modelers, now in it's 21st year!

Come to WPM and see hundreds of locomotive, freight and passenger car, caboose, MOW, structure, and vehicle prototype models on display while countless 1:1 scale BNSF and UP trains roll-by just feet from the depot.
Clinics and seminars will be offered throughout the day. Visit the San Bernardino Historical and Railroad Museum located in the west-end of the depot.
Tons of raffle prizes donated by generous hobby retailers, publishers & model manufacturers will be up for grabs.
Bring your modeling projects, finished, or "in the works". Share ideas and techniques with fellow modelers and meet new friends!

Registration starts at 8:30AM
Doors Open at 9:00AM

Scheduled Presentations start at 10:00
10:00 Butch Eyler – Weathering Freight Cars in the Modern Era
11:15 Scott Chatfield - All About 1st Generation GPs
12:15 Mini-Raffle and Lunch Break
1:30 Bill Schaumburg - An Introduction to Commuter Railroad Operations
2:45 Bob Zenk – SP's Krauss-Maffei: A Love-Hate Story
4:00 Chris Clune - Producing Models at ExactRail
5:00 Raffle Round 2

San Bernardino depot is served by both Amtrak and Metrolink. Links to schedules are posted on our web site.
Exhibitors: Manufacturers, photographers and publishers will participate in WPM (Exhibitors: pre-registration is required, contact WPM at the phone number below.)
For updated info on presentations, program, schedule and photos of past meets:
www.WesternPrototypeModelers.org or call Tim Costello at (714) 832-8696

WPM welcomes modelers of all roads, all scales and eras!

WPM Meet admission: $15.00, or $12.00 if you bring a model(s) to display

Plenty of free parking

Dave Hussey
WPM Committee


Re: ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

David Sieber
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Armand Premo" wrote: I have recently tried to upgrade an Accurail reefer. All went well until I tried to match the paint. I never knew there were so many different shades of yellow. What would you suggest that I use?
--- "Ken Olson" wrote: Doesn't their web site have a listing of which paint was used on which models? I seem to remember that all were Pollyscale, but that reefer yellow might not necessarily be what was used on a particular reefer.
--- "Armand Premo" wrote: Tried Five different brands of Reefer yellow without an acceptable match, Polly Scale included.

Gentlemen,

I suspect Ken was thinking of 5th Avenue Car Shops, who market excellent custom painted and lettered Accurail cars, and whose web site has a complete list of all current and previously issued cars by road number with Polly Scale references for matching the sides and ends of all their cars. I have not seen this on Accurail's web site for their own releases; note that on their Decal Renumber Set page, they advise that "There have been too many changes in paint formulation for us to be able to match the color of many of our older kits." I suspect that like many other manufacturers, Accurail uses commercial paint products rather than paint from any of the firms that market to modelers. Perhaps Dennis Storzek can comment on this.

When we modelers modify/upgrade cars to suit our needs, we can only try to match existing paint as best we can, then use weathering to blend the shades together. If you want to represent a newly delivered or repainted car, but you've replaced molded-on details, just bite the bullet and repaint and decal it. (Unless the car you want is available from 5th Avenue Car Shops, so you can get match the paint from Polly Scale per their paint reference ... until/unless Floquil changes the Polly Scale formulation.)

Good luck, Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs

Benjamin Hom
 

Armand Premo wrote:
"Lack of slope sheet supports is also fixable..."

Know thy prototype - the USRA twins did not have slope sheet supports.  See the
linked photo in my previous post.


Ben Hom

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