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Re: bracket grab irons

jimbojk2003
 

Kadee will sell you the 18" bracket grabs used on their PS-1 boxcars, if you email them a request. They require 4 holes, but are very nice.
Regards, James Cummings

--- In STMFC@..., "frograbbit602" <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

All, I am currently working on a Bowser PRR X-31A boxcar. After removing molded on grabs, I installed Detail Associates # 6209 bracket type, 22 inch. Wondering what others in this group would use for bracket grab irons for this or other application?
Lester Breuer


Re: bracket grab irons

Tim O'Connor
 

Paul

You mean the side sill steps, centered under the doors? Wow, I
could use about 50 of those. I build mine with (unprototypical)
braces to make them a bit less likely to get broken.

Tim O'

Bill,

It was I who was trying to get Overland to do a bulk run of the frieght car grabs a couple of years ago. It went nowhere, they would not even give me the time of day. I do have a casting shop that might be able to do what Terry did if I had a little more detail. I had them cast the IM R-40-23 center sill steps in brass and they came out nice.

Paul Lyons


F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

proto48er
 

Guys -

Has anyone here converted the Funaro & Camerlengo kit for the 1946 version (2000 cu.ft.) of the NYC covered hopper (Lot 747-H with 8 hatches) into the shorter NYC 1800 cu.ft. version built in 1939 and 1940 (Lots 671-H and 680-H with 10 hatches)?

We have the F&C kit (and an earlier version of the same F&C car made by Central Hobby Shop in their West Shore Line) available in "O" scale. I have one of each kit and want to convert one to the shorter car.

Is the roof of the earlier, shorter 10-hatch car flat, ie. without raised panels? Does it have seam caps or just riveted sheets? I just can't see how there was any room on the roof for any raised panels, compared to the later cars.

Thanks for the help!

A.T. Kott


Re: bracket grab irons

Paul Lyons
 

Bill,

It was I who was trying to get Overland to do a bulk run of the frieght car grabs a couple of years ago. It went nowhere, they would not even give me the time of day. I do have a casting shop that might be able to do what Terry did if I had a little more detail. I had them cast the IM R-40-23 center sill steps in brass and they came out nice.

Paul Lyons

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Sent: Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: bracket grab irons




Dear Lestor:

I stocked up with the Overland brass "bracket grab kit" before and just after it became unavailable from them. Someone on this list was in conversation with Overland trying to get a bulk order done, but I do not know what happened. I imagine Overland may have lost their source.

I was also able to get the often mentioned Terry Wegman to do some "lost plastic" brass castings of IMWX, Intermountain, and Red Caboose bracket grabs and sill steps sacrificing the plastic parts in the burn out process. I would love to have some more of these done from the X29 detail parts as I have enough for only three models. He is no longer doing this but this would be a great "Steam Era Freight Car" group project to explore finding a casting shop to do this. It was not inexpensive but it was a fair price and these detail parts are now of course bullet proof. It also means the parts can be easily filed if one wants to thin them.

I have always heard the Detail Associates bracket grab version was done for their little gondola but my kit does not have them and instead has wire with cast on bolt attachments.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "frograbbit602" <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

All, I am currently working on a Bowser PRR X-31A boxcar. After removing molded on grabs, I installed Detail Associates # 6209 bracket type, 22 inch. Wondering what others in this group would use for bracket grab irons for this or other application?
Lester Breuer






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Re: Help

John F. Cizmar
 

A wholesale plumbing supplier would be a better choice  
John F. Cizmar
SG Supply Co.

--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:


From: Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Help
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 3:18 PM


 



Any home improvement store or roofing supply. Home Depot has it in Houston.

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J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Dr., Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417
Personal: http://www.geocities.com/stevesandifer2000/index
Church: http://www.swcentral.org

----- Original Message -----
From: almabranch
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Help

Anyone know what kind of place I may purchase sheet lead? Thanks in advance.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

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Re: bracket grab irons

Bill Welch
 

Dear Lestor:

I stocked up with the Overland brass "bracket grab kit" before and just after it became unavailable from them. Someone on this list was in conversation with Overland trying to get a bulk order done, but I do not know what happened. I imagine Overland may have lost their source.

I was also able to get the often mentioned Terry Wegman to do some "lost plastic" brass castings of IMWX, Intermountain, and Red Caboose bracket grabs and sill steps sacrificing the plastic parts in the burn out process. I would love to have some more of these done from the X29 detail parts as I have enough for only three models. He is no longer doing this but this would be a great "Steam Era Freight Car" group project to explore finding a casting shop to do this. It was not inexpensive but it was a fair price and these detail parts are now of course bullet proof. It also means the parts can be easily filed if one wants to thin them.

I have always heard the Detail Associates bracket grab version was done for their little gondola but my kit does not have them and instead has wire with cast on bolt attachments.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "frograbbit602" <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

All, I am currently working on a Bowser PRR X-31A boxcar. After removing molded on grabs, I installed Detail Associates # 6209 bracket type, 22 inch. Wondering what others in this group would use for bracket grab irons for this or other application?
Lester Breuer


Re: Help

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hi Jared,

I buy sheet lead by mail (yes, I know!) from Small Parts Inc., www.smallparts.com. A-Line also packages it for sale in hobby shops and through Walthers.

Have a good weekend,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: Gem 3 domed tank car/Trainland in Lynbrook

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Mines wrote:
“I was amazed at how much prices have gone up and the quality of the Broadway
Limited USRA hopper. The grab irons look to be scale (10-12 mils!).”
 
Broadway Limited does NOT make an HO scale USRA hopper.  Are you talking about
the N&W Class H-2A triple hopper, or some other model?
 
Ben Hom

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Re: Help

Steve SANDIFER
 

Any home improvement store or roofing supply. Home Depot has it in Houston.

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J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Dr., Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417
Personal: http://www.geocities.com/stevesandifer2000/index
Church: http://www.swcentral.org

----- Original Message -----
From: almabranch
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Help



Anyone know what kind of place I may purchase sheet lead? Thanks in advance.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Help

Brian Ehni <behni@...>
 

I have a lifetime supply, thanks to Vanderbilt Medical Center. However, you
can find all kinds of stuff (including sheet lead) at McMaster-Carr:
mcmaster.com/

Also try a local sheet metal supplier; it may be cheaper.

Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni




From: almabranch <harperandbrown@...>
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:35:15 -0000
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Help






Anyone know what kind of place I may purchase sheet lead? Thanks in
advance.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: bracket grab irons

Bruce Smith
 

Jared,

Well, some folks say I'm "touched" already <VBG>... but heck, if you're nice to me, I might even let you touch the floorboards!

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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On Sep 17, 2010, at 2:20 PM, almabranch wrote:

Oooo Bruce! The next time I see you may I touch you? 8>)
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


BTW, on my workbench is a project to replace the Bowser floor in
another X31A with floorboards cut from the actual floorboards of a
prototype X31A!


Help

Jared Harper
 

Anyone know what kind of place I may purchase sheet lead? Thanks in advance.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: bracket grab irons

Jared Harper
 

Oooo Bruce! The next time I see you may I touch you? 8>)
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


BTW, on my workbench is a project to replace the Bowser floor in
another X31A with floorboards cut from the actual floorboards of a
prototype X31A!


Gem 3 domed tank car/Trainland in Lynbrook

ed_mines
 

Was this tank car discussed recently? I saw one for sale at Trainland in Lynbrook a few days ago. The box looked to be in mint condition; they probably found it and about a dozen other 40 year old brass cars in the back or bought an estate. The prices looked a little high for such old models.

I was amazed at how much prices have gone up and the quality of the Broadway Limited USRA hopper. The grab irons look to be scale (10-12 mils!).

I was a little surprised to see an Athearn (HO!) aquarium car on sale for $45. I wonder who would want to buy this? You can buy a radio controled car for less money.

I also saw a few former blue box models selling for $15. New trucks but the same old shells.

For such a well know place the customer area of this shop is small and few models are on display.

Ed


Re: D&H composite Seley hoppers

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi,

Some time back, I asked about D&H composite Seley hoppers on this list.

My N scale models are now complete, weathered and all.

See URL below.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/4999321804_5ff0eb8ddc_b.jpg

Keep in mind this is N scale, but the image size on your monitor might easily exceed that of HO!

The top car is my paint, and CDS dry-transfer lettering, which did not come out exactly perfectly, but that is OK since the
lettering probably didn't remain perfect on the real-life cars for very long!

The bottom car is the (likely not prototypically correct) factory lettering and paint.

Both cars got some simply upgrades - new brakewheels, new stirrups, new trucks, body mounted couplers and such. For what I had in
mind, I'm happy with the way they came out and they show there is hope for stuff made in N scale back in the "bad old days".

Thanks everyone for all the useful help along the way!

- Claus Schlund at Hell Gate Models

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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:05 PM
Subject: D&H composite Seley hoppers


Hi,

In N scale, we have had a nicely done model of the D&H composite Seley hoppers available since the "dark ages".

Of course over the years the models have been painted up in a million bogus paint schemes.

Surprisingly, it was even available factory painted for D&H! The factory paint was white lettering on a black body, which I always
thought was incorrect. I had heard these cars were painted Tuscan Red.

So when I got around to upgrading the ones I had, I painted them Floquil Tuscan Red and lettered them with CDS dry transfers. I
didn't repaint the one car I had in factory D&H paint, just for nostalgia!

You can see an image of my paint and the factory paint at the url below.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4393259236_376d5bbc3b_b.jpg

Recently, I was clearing up some old calendars and train mags, and on the front cover the the 2000 Anthracite Roads Historical
Society was a very nice yard shot. One of the cars was clearly a D&H Seley hopper, and get this, it was painted black! See url
below:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2797/4393259648_34146a5323_b.jpg

So can anyone tell me what the color was really supposed to be? I model the year 1929.

- Claus Schlund


Re: bracket grab irons

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Ken--I want to second Bruce's suggestion to go to the PRRPro list. On topic are messages #3754 and #3771 for discussion of both side and end ladders. On the way there, check out the very handy Tichy 3062 ladder rungs.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@..., "krowth3249" <kenwroth@...> wrote:


I too have a Bowser X31A I want to upgrade. In addition to grab irons, what are people using for replacement ladders? I can't seem to find any commercial parts that are the right width and rung spacing. I'm considering trying to make my own from brass but that's hard!

Ken Roth


Looking for Athearn's SFRD 50-ft reefer roofs

Bill Welch
 

I am wondering if anyone has any unwanted SFRD 50-ft steel reefers or
ideally just the roof? Maybe something that has been damaged for
example. I am trying to gather up some roofs to cut up to create
another reefer roof with approximately the same width.

Unfortunately I did not think of this when it may have been possible
to get parts. I have several long PS2 roofs I was able to get when
Athearn announced their model that I want to use to create accurate
roofs for Wabash, CB&Q, Southern, etc hence all of my questions about
milling machines previously.

Please contact me off list if you can help.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: bracket grab irons

Bruce Smith
 

On Sep 17, 2010, at 10:39 AM, krowth3249 wrote:


I too have a Bowser X31A I want to upgrade. In addition to grab irons, what are people using for replacement ladders? I can't seem to find any commercial parts that are the right width and rung spacing. I'm considering trying to make my own from brass but that's hard!
Ken,

Based on a "fleet" conversion process, the difficulty in finding matching ladders and the difficulty in shaving the stiles from the ends, I restricted myself to removing the rungs. Even that can be a challenge on the ends <G>. I replaced them with Tichy ladder rungs, although brass wire would work as well. The end result looks good and while separate ladder stiles would be more accurate (as well as correct end ladder width, another issue with these cars), I can definitely live with the finished product (I did an X31, X31A single door, X31A double door, X31B, X31C and X31F using the same approach).

BTW, on my workbench is a project to replace the Bowser floor in another X31A with floorboards cut from the actual floorboards of a prototype X31A!

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: bracket grab irons

Ken Roth
 

I too have a Bowser X31A I want to upgrade. In addition to grab irons, what are people using for replacement ladders? I can't seem to find any commercial parts that are the right width and rung spacing. I'm considering trying to make my own from brass but that's hard!

Ken Roth


Re: 6-wheel truck classes

Bruce Smith
 

On Sep 17, 2010, at 9:11 AM, al.kresse wrote:

Does anyone have early Master Car Builder's or ARA documentation explaining the rationale for 4-wheel vs. 6-wheel trucked freight car classes?

Example: circa 1915-1920, 50-ton axle 4-wheel trucks become 100-ton 6-wheel (used for USRA class gon designs) and not (50+25) 75-ton trucks; and 70-ton axle 4-wheel trucks become 120-ton 6-wheel trucks and not (70+35) 105-ton trucks.

I believe there were only 40-, 50-, and 70-ton "standards" for cast sideframe truck designs but a full range of axle "standards" for this era.

Did the use of clasp brakes give "rationale" to classify on the upside or the journal-size ratings? Was this was before tested DIN life ratings were associated with bearing sizes and types?

Al Kresse
Al,

If I understand your question correctly, ultimately, car tonnage ratings depend on axle and bearing ratings (and car construction that can withstand the load).

From an email in 2006 by Tim Gilbert:
Between 1925 and 1962, the Maximum Total Weight Allowed on the Rail
for a car with four axles (two four wheel trucks) were (dashes are
necessary to maintain column integrity for Yahoo):

------ Journal----- Total Wgt ----Standard Nominal
Axle -- Size ------- On Rail ------- Capacity
A --- 3 3/4" x 7" --- 66,000 -------- 40,000
B --- 4 1/4" x 8" -- 103,000 -------- 60,000
C --- 5" x 9" ------ 136,000 -------- 80,000
D --- 5 1/2" x 10" - 169,000 ------- 100,000
E --- 6" x 11" ----- 210,000 ------- 140,000
F --- 6 1/2" x 12" - 251,000 ------- 200,000

Note: The last page in almost every ORER published between 1925 & 1962
has a table including the Axles, Sizes of the Axle Journals, Total
Weight on Rail and Standard Nominal Capacity.
As noted, the numbers apply to 2 4-wheel trucks. To get the number for each axle, divide by 4. Thus, a car would require 10 "A" axles to achieve the rating of car with 4 "D" axles. The ratings increases you site appear to come from both increasing the number and the diameter of the axles.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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