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Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

jerryglow2
 

It's interesting that you ask because I have an old Eastern Car Works kit I plan on so doing and have done artwork for decals http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/NYC_Enterprise_hopper.jpg I mentioned it to Steve Hoxie and he asked that I include extra numbers, lot #, etc to do the 8 hatch version. Like all my sets, they can be done in any scale.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:

Guys -

Has anyone here converted the Funaro & Camerlengo kit for the 1946 version (2000 cu.ft.) of the NYC covered hopper (Lot 747-H with 8 hatches) into the shorter NYC 1800 cu.ft. version built in 1939 and 1940 (Lots 671-H and 680-H with 10 hatches)?

We have the F&C kit (and an earlier version of the same F&C car made by Central Hobby Shop in their West Shore Line) available in "O" scale. I have one of each kit and want to convert one to the shorter car.

Is the roof of the earlier, shorter 10-hatch car flat, ie. without raised panels? Does it have seam caps or just riveted sheets? I just can't see how there was any room on the roof for any raised panels, compared to the later cars.

Thanks for the help!

A.T. Kott


Re: Help

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Sheet lead is still a common commodity available from most plumbing supply houses. I recently purchased some after the final exhaustion of my "lifetime" supply of type slugs and medical sheeting, all accumulated decades ago.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Okoboji, Iowa


Re: D&H composite Seley hoppers

Mark
 

They look great Claus!

Mark Morgan





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From: Claus Schlund (HGM) <claus@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 2:37:30 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: D&H composite Seley hoppers


Hi,

Some time back, I asked about D&H composite Seley hoppers on this list.

My N scale models are now complete, weathered and all.

See URL below.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/4999321804_5ff0eb8ddc_b.jpg

Keep in mind this is N scale, but the image size on your monitor might easily
exceed that of HO!

The top car is my paint, and CDS dry-transfer lettering, which did not come out
exactly perfectly, but that is OK since the
lettering probably didn't remain perfect on the real-life cars for very long!

The bottom car is the (likely not prototypically correct) factory lettering and
paint.

Both cars got some simply upgrades - new brakewheels, new stirrups, new trucks,
body mounted couplers and such. For what I had in
mind, I'm happy with the way they came out and they show there is hope for stuff
made in N scale back in the "bad old days".

Thanks everyone for all the useful help along the way!

- Claus Schlund at Hell Gate Models

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:05 PM
Subject: D&H composite Seley hoppers

Hi,

In N scale, we have had a nicely done model of the D&H composite Seley hoppers
available since the "dark ages".

Of course over the years the models have been painted up in a million bogus
paint schemes.

Surprisingly, it was even available factory painted for D&H! The factory paint
was white lettering on a black body, which I always
thought was incorrect. I had heard these cars were painted Tuscan Red.

So when I got around to upgrading the ones I had, I painted them Floquil Tuscan
Red and lettered them with CDS dry transfers. I
didn't repaint the one car I had in factory D&H paint, just for nostalgia!

You can see an image of my paint and the factory paint at the url below.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4393259236_376d5bbc3b_b.jpg

Recently, I was clearing up some old calendars and train mags, and on the front
cover the the 2000 Anthracite Roads Historical
Society was a very nice yard shot. One of the cars was clearly a D&H Seley
hopper, and get this, it was painted black! See url
below:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2797/4393259648_34146a5323_b.jpg

So can anyone tell me what the color was really supposed to be? I model the
year 1929.

- Claus Schlund






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Re: Wabash 21550-21699 Boxcars

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

Brian,

Equipment books show ASF A-3 trucks. Photos show Miner
handbrakes. Don't know what type running boards were used.
Cars were built by GATC in 1957.

Chet French
Dixon, IL

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

I am building one of the above 50 ft boxcars was wondering if anyone could
tell me what trucks, roofwalk and handbrake were applied?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: Norwest kits

ajfergusonca <ajferguson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:

Just received email on Brian's latest kit a CP 288500 - 289399 Series
Wood Freight Reefer. So the normal question again. Time frame for these
reefers and where, if anyplace, in the US would they have roamed.
On another note has any decal work been done by Black Cat decals for the
NYDX version of the Norwest #108 C.N. 207000-209419-Series Wood Freight
Reefer.
I have no NYDX decals for this out of production kit.
CP & CN decals for his kits are available from me.
Allen Ferguson
Black Cat Publications


Re: bracket grab irons

Paul Lyons
 

Yes, but interestingly enough, even the brass ones will snap if grabbed hard enough. It is just a natural thing to pick the model up there. I now brace the brass step back with a small piece of wire to the first floor stringer. That does the trick and is similiar to what you see on some prototypes.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, Sep 17, 2010 5:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: bracket grab irons




Paul

You mean the side sill steps, centered under the doors? Wow, I
could use about 50 of those. I build mine with (unprototypical)
braces to make them a bit less likely to get broken.

Tim O'

Bill,

It was I who was trying to get Overland to do a bulk run of the frieght car grabs a couple of years ago. It went nowhere, they would not even give me the time of day. I do have a casting shop that might be able to do what Terry did if I had a little more detail. I had them cast the IM R-40-23 center sill steps in brass and they came out nice.

Paul Lyons


Re: Norwest kits

David Turner
 

The main website for Norwest at Promodelbuilders no longer lists any HO
models. However, if you try this one, it shows some items discontinued
but still lists the GN caboose, as described below. I have one of these
in my unbuilt stash; it looks good. I suggest that you contact them as
shown on that page to confirm if the kit is still available.

http://www.promodelbuilders.com/nw-101.htm


This kit builds into a model of a Great Northern wood caboose, accurate
for X-198, X-200 to X-228, and X-230 to X-249. The kit was developed
from photos and field measurements of GN X-237,....( And, of course,
some SP&S cabooses.)

Best regards,
David Turner
Keeping the S. P. & S. Rwy. alive in Santa Rosa, California


Re: Help

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Jared--

If you're looking to weight cars with it, self-adhesive lead wheel weights are available at NAPA, Pep Boys, Murray's Auto, and other automotive supply stores. They are gruaduated in 1/4 ounce increments that you can break off individually or in strips to weight a car to spec.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "almabranch" <harperandbrown@...> wrote:

Anyone know what kind of place I may purchase sheet lead? Thanks in advance.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Wabash 21550-21699 Boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

I am building one of the above 50 ft boxcars was wondering if anyone could
tell me what trucks, roofwalk and handbrake were applied?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: bracket grab irons

Matt Herson
 

The Kadee bracket grab irons have 4 square tapered pins. Drill 4 slightly
smaller holes than the pins and press the Kadee part in. It is a snug fit
no glue necessary. I have never had one fall out. Works just as well on
resin.



One down side - some plastic cars need the existing holes filled before
drilling new ones for the part. Made a drill template and can now do them
faster than writing about it.



Matt Herson



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Brian J Carlson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:20 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: bracket grab irons





What works to glue Kadee grabs?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@... <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com>

From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
James
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:18 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: bracket grab irons

Kadee will sell you the 18" bracket grabs used on their PS-1 boxcars, if you
email them a request. They require 4 holes, but are very nice.
Regards, James Cummings


Re: bracket grab irons

Brian Carlson
 

What works to glue Kadee grabs?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
James
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: bracket grab irons





Kadee will sell you the 18" bracket grabs used on their PS-1 boxcars, if you
email them a request. They require 4 holes, but are very nice.
Regards, James Cummings


Re: bracket grab irons

jimbojk2003
 

Kadee will sell you the 18" bracket grabs used on their PS-1 boxcars, if you email them a request. They require 4 holes, but are very nice.
Regards, James Cummings

--- In STMFC@..., "frograbbit602" <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

All, I am currently working on a Bowser PRR X-31A boxcar. After removing molded on grabs, I installed Detail Associates # 6209 bracket type, 22 inch. Wondering what others in this group would use for bracket grab irons for this or other application?
Lester Breuer


Re: bracket grab irons

Tim O'Connor
 

Paul

You mean the side sill steps, centered under the doors? Wow, I
could use about 50 of those. I build mine with (unprototypical)
braces to make them a bit less likely to get broken.

Tim O'

Bill,

It was I who was trying to get Overland to do a bulk run of the frieght car grabs a couple of years ago. It went nowhere, they would not even give me the time of day. I do have a casting shop that might be able to do what Terry did if I had a little more detail. I had them cast the IM R-40-23 center sill steps in brass and they came out nice.

Paul Lyons


F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

proto48er
 

Guys -

Has anyone here converted the Funaro & Camerlengo kit for the 1946 version (2000 cu.ft.) of the NYC covered hopper (Lot 747-H with 8 hatches) into the shorter NYC 1800 cu.ft. version built in 1939 and 1940 (Lots 671-H and 680-H with 10 hatches)?

We have the F&C kit (and an earlier version of the same F&C car made by Central Hobby Shop in their West Shore Line) available in "O" scale. I have one of each kit and want to convert one to the shorter car.

Is the roof of the earlier, shorter 10-hatch car flat, ie. without raised panels? Does it have seam caps or just riveted sheets? I just can't see how there was any room on the roof for any raised panels, compared to the later cars.

Thanks for the help!

A.T. Kott


Re: bracket grab irons

Paul Lyons
 

Bill,

It was I who was trying to get Overland to do a bulk run of the frieght car grabs a couple of years ago. It went nowhere, they would not even give me the time of day. I do have a casting shop that might be able to do what Terry did if I had a little more detail. I had them cast the IM R-40-23 center sill steps in brass and they came out nice.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <fgexbill@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: bracket grab irons




Dear Lestor:

I stocked up with the Overland brass "bracket grab kit" before and just after it became unavailable from them. Someone on this list was in conversation with Overland trying to get a bulk order done, but I do not know what happened. I imagine Overland may have lost their source.

I was also able to get the often mentioned Terry Wegman to do some "lost plastic" brass castings of IMWX, Intermountain, and Red Caboose bracket grabs and sill steps sacrificing the plastic parts in the burn out process. I would love to have some more of these done from the X29 detail parts as I have enough for only three models. He is no longer doing this but this would be a great "Steam Era Freight Car" group project to explore finding a casting shop to do this. It was not inexpensive but it was a fair price and these detail parts are now of course bullet proof. It also means the parts can be easily filed if one wants to thin them.

I have always heard the Detail Associates bracket grab version was done for their little gondola but my kit does not have them and instead has wire with cast on bolt attachments.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "frograbbit602" <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

All, I am currently working on a Bowser PRR X-31A boxcar. After removing molded on grabs, I installed Detail Associates # 6209 bracket type, 22 inch. Wondering what others in this group would use for bracket grab irons for this or other application?
Lester Breuer






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Re: Help

John F. Cizmar
 

A wholesale plumbing supplier would be a better choice  
John F. Cizmar
SG Supply Co.

--- On Fri, 9/17/10, Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:


From: Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Help
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 3:18 PM


 



Any home improvement store or roofing supply. Home Depot has it in Houston.

----------------------------------------------------------
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Dr., Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417
Personal: http://www.geocities.com/stevesandifer2000/index
Church: http://www.swcentral.org

----- Original Message -----
From: almabranch
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Help

Anyone know what kind of place I may purchase sheet lead? Thanks in advance.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

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Re: bracket grab irons

Bill Welch
 

Dear Lestor:

I stocked up with the Overland brass "bracket grab kit" before and just after it became unavailable from them. Someone on this list was in conversation with Overland trying to get a bulk order done, but I do not know what happened. I imagine Overland may have lost their source.

I was also able to get the often mentioned Terry Wegman to do some "lost plastic" brass castings of IMWX, Intermountain, and Red Caboose bracket grabs and sill steps sacrificing the plastic parts in the burn out process. I would love to have some more of these done from the X29 detail parts as I have enough for only three models. He is no longer doing this but this would be a great "Steam Era Freight Car" group project to explore finding a casting shop to do this. It was not inexpensive but it was a fair price and these detail parts are now of course bullet proof. It also means the parts can be easily filed if one wants to thin them.

I have always heard the Detail Associates bracket grab version was done for their little gondola but my kit does not have them and instead has wire with cast on bolt attachments.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "frograbbit602" <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

All, I am currently working on a Bowser PRR X-31A boxcar. After removing molded on grabs, I installed Detail Associates # 6209 bracket type, 22 inch. Wondering what others in this group would use for bracket grab irons for this or other application?
Lester Breuer


Re: Help

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hi Jared,

I buy sheet lead by mail (yes, I know!) from Small Parts Inc., www.smallparts.com. A-Line also packages it for sale in hobby shops and through Walthers.

Have a good weekend,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: Gem 3 domed tank car/Trainland in Lynbrook

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Mines wrote:
“I was amazed at how much prices have gone up and the quality of the Broadway
Limited USRA hopper. The grab irons look to be scale (10-12 mils!).”
 
Broadway Limited does NOT make an HO scale USRA hopper.  Are you talking about
the N&W Class H-2A triple hopper, or some other model?
 
Ben Hom

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Re: Help

Steve SANDIFER
 

Any home improvement store or roofing supply. Home Depot has it in Houston.

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J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Dr., Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417
Personal: http://www.geocities.com/stevesandifer2000/index
Church: http://www.swcentral.org

----- Original Message -----
From: almabranch
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Help



Anyone know what kind of place I may purchase sheet lead? Thanks in advance.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

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