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Re: new Kadee Wheels

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Are these machined steel wheels like the IM "semi-scale" wheelsets?  If they aren't, I'll stick with the IM wheelsets.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

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From: "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 8:26:45 PM
Subject: [STMFC] new Kadee Wheels

 




Karee has announced code 88 wheels. What I found interesting is they have
ribbed back wheels, a first as far as I know in the Code 88 wheel world.
This will allow us code 88 users to model chilled cast iron wheels.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Rich

I didn't mention Mark's decals because they are for the "gothic"
lettering introduced in the mid 1950's.

Tim O'Connor

Another source is Wabash Custom Decals (Mark Vaughan)
http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes&sppp=2
Rich Christie


Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

???

Steve, there are builder photos, pre-1955, of grey NYC covered hoppers.
Also, the 1966 photo I mentioned is a pre-gothic lettering grey painted
Despatch "Enterprise" type covered hopper. If you have photos of red or
black NYC covered hoppers, how about some dates and car numbers?

I don't follow your train of thought -- you say there are no photos of
cars in grey before 1955, and then you mention Jerry's set for grey cars
in pre-1955 lettering. Your point?

Tim O'Connor

So we have zero photos of a NYC covered hopper post-war before the 1955 advent of Gothic lettering in gray.

As he posted earlier, Jerry Glow has a decal set for a gray car in either lot 671-H (also 10 hatches) or 747-H in the pre-1955 era. His decals are exquisite.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


new Kadee Wheels

Brian Carlson
 

Karee has announced code 88 wheels. What I found interesting is they have
ribbed back wheels, a first as far as I know in the Code 88 wheel world.
This will allow us code 88 users to model chilled cast iron wheels.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

 

Terry Link's  site has a wealth of valuable information including diagrams of almost every NYC class and photos.
 
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm

Rich Christie

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, proto48er <atkott@...> wrote:


From: proto48er <atkott@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 11:28 AM


 



Steve -

Do you have anything resembling a plan for the earlier cars in Lots 671-H and 680-H? I have the NYC freight car diagrams for each, but only have an erection drawing from the 1953 CBC for the later Lot 747-H. The drawing on p. 288 of the 1941 CBC depicts an Enterprise covered hopper that is sort of "halfway between" the dimensions of the two series of cars, even though a photo of NYC #880500, first car in the earlier series, appears in an Enterprise advertisement on the next page.

Alternatively, do you have a photo clearly showing the roof details for the earlier cars?

The kits in "O" scale have decals in them, but I have not examined them closely for accuracy yet.

Thanks!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Hoxie" <stevehprr@...> wrote:

Gents--We have been having an interesting offlist discussion about these cars, but for me an important question remains unresolved. What color were they? From b&w photos on the CASO site, it seems before the war they were gray, and sometime in the 50's they were a dark color. When was the change? Would any cars in the 50's still be gray? Is the dark color freight car red or black?

Thanks!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

 

Another source is Wabash Custom Decals (Mark Vaughan)
 
http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes&sppp=2
 
Rich Christie

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:53 PM


 




CDS made highly accurate dry transfer lettering (#532) for the
NYC cars built by Despatch in 1940. This must be for the car that
you saw in the 1941 CBC.

Tim O'Connor

Steve -

Do you have anything resembling a plan for the earlier cars in Lots 671-H and 680-H? I have the NYC freight car diagrams for each, but only have an erection drawing from the 1953 CBC for the later Lot 747-H. The drawing on p. 288 of the 1941 CBC depicts an Enterprise covered hopper that is sort of "halfway between" the dimensions of the two series of cars, even though a photo of NYC #880500, first car in the earlier series, appears in an Enterprise advertisement on the next page.

Alternatively, do you have a photo clearly showing the roof details for the earlier cars?

The kits in "O" scale have decals in them, but I have not examined them closely for accuracy yet.

Thanks!

A.T. Kott










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Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

pennsylvania1954
 

Tim--Sticking to NYC lettered cars only and before 1955, on the CASO site in Lot 680-H (10 hatches) there is a photo of 881032 (reweighed 10-53) and in Lot 747-H (longer with 8 hatches) is a photo of 881598 (partially unreadable reweigh but sometime in the 50's). Both of these are non-gray, supposedly freight car red.

So we have zero photos of a NYC covered hopper post-war before the 1955 advent of Gothic lettering in gray.

As he posted earlier, Jerry Glow has a decal set for a gray car in either lot 671-H (also 10 hatches) or 747-H in the pre-1955 era. His decals are exquisite.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Steve

I have a 1966 photo of one of these cars, and it is still grey,
albeit very weathered. I also have a PC-era photo of a car that
is in company service (sand car) and it is painted black (but
lettered as NYC X32103). At least one car was repainted PC green
(PC 32353). A 1973 photo of CASO 880151 shows grey paint. That
photo of the black PC-era car is the only non-grey NYC covered
hopper I've ever seen.

Tim O'Connor



Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

pennsylvania1954
 

A.T.--Sorry; I have only the info and photos available on the CASO site.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:

Steve -

Do you have anything resembling a plan for the earlier cars in Lots 671-H and 680-H? I have the NYC freight car diagrams for each, but only have an erection drawing from the 1953 CBC for the later Lot 747-H. The drawing on p. 288 of the 1941 CBC depicts an Enterprise covered hopper that is sort of "halfway between" the dimensions of the two series of cars, even though a photo of NYC #880500, first car in the earlier series, appears in an Enterprise advertisement on the next page.

Alternatively, do you have a photo clearly showing the roof details for the earlier cars?

The kits in "O" scale have decals in them, but I have not examined them closely for accuracy yet.

Thanks!

A.T. Kott


--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Hoxie" <stevehprr@> wrote:

Gents--We have been having an interesting offlist discussion about these cars, but for me an important question remains unresolved. What color were they? From b&w photos on the CASO site, it seems before the war they were gray, and sometime in the 50's they were a dark color. When was the change? Would any cars in the 50's still be gray? Is the dark color freight car red or black?

Thanks!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?

Stokes John
 

That's it, and I should have remembered that is was a dry ice car, not for transporting cylinders of gas. I can see the photo of it in an old MR in my mind's eye now.

Thanks, Fred,

John S.



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From: prrinvt@...
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:22:46 -0700
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?






GUYZ,

You are thinking of the Mathison Dry Ice car offered by Laconia in the late 50's.

Fred Freitas

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, John Stokes <ggstokes@...> wrote:

From: John Stokes <ggstokes@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?
To: stmfc@...
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:49 PM

A guess would be Liquid Carbonic, and the second builder's photo on the page clearly shows a build date of 1935. I think LC was shipped in cylinders, but someone else may have more accurate information.

I seem to recall that Ambroid or someone of that era in HO offered a kit for a similar car.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA

To: STMFC@...
From: repairman87@...
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:25:28 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?



I was surfing the net and stumbled across this site with this picture.

http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=82586961

Anybody know what its purpose was or what it hauled or time frame it use used?

Thanks,
Scott



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Re: NC&StL (was GN) Flat Cars

Sigpress <thompson@...>
 

Tim, SP also painted some flat card black in that brief window for black gondolas. It's all in my volumes, of course.
Tony Thompson

Sent from my iPod

On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Frank, that's a good rule, but you can't ignore the exceptions. SP's
G-70-8 "G31b" gondolas (Tangent model) were delivered in BLACK, for
example. :-) And Southern was a road that had both black and red open
cars together for a while (and later continued the practice). Photos
are really indispensible IMO.

Tim O'Connor


I'm going with freight car red for the color of NC&StL flat cars. About 25-30 years ago Richard told me that railroads generally paint their open tops the same. Since the N&C painted their hoppers and gons FCR that is what I am gonna paint the flats. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)


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Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,
 
You are thinking of the Mathison Dry Ice car offered by Laconia in the late 50's.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, John Stokes <ggstokes@...> wrote:


From: John Stokes <ggstokes@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?
To: stmfc@...
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:49 PM



A guess would be Liquid Carbonic, and the second builder's photo on the page clearly shows a build date of 1935. I think LC was shipped in cylinders, but someone else may have more accurate information.

I seem to recall that Ambroid or someone of that era in HO offered a kit for a similar car.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA




To: STMFC@...
From: repairman87@...
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:25:28 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?


 


I was surfing the net and stumbled across this site with this picture.

http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=82586961

Anybody know what its purpose was or what it hauled or time frame it use used?

Thanks,
Scott




                         

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Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

CDS made highly accurate dry transfer lettering (#532) for the
NYC cars built by Despatch in 1940. This must be for the car that
you saw in the 1941 CBC.

Tim O'Connor

Steve -

Do you have anything resembling a plan for the earlier cars in Lots 671-H and 680-H? I have the NYC freight car diagrams for each, but only have an erection drawing from the 1953 CBC for the later Lot 747-H. The drawing on p. 288 of the 1941 CBC depicts an Enterprise covered hopper that is sort of "halfway between" the dimensions of the two series of cars, even though a photo of NYC #880500, first car in the earlier series, appears in an Enterprise advertisement on the next page.

Alternatively, do you have a photo clearly showing the roof details for the earlier cars?

The kits in "O" scale have decals in them, but I have not examined them closely for accuracy yet.

Thanks!

A.T. Kott


Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?

Armand Premo
 

Laconia perhaps.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Stokes" <ggstokes@...>
To: <stmfc@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?



A guess would be Liquid Carbonic, and the second builder's photo on the page clearly shows a build date of 1935. I think LC was shipped in cylinders, but someone else may have more accurate information.

I seem to recall that Ambroid or someone of that era in HO offered a kit for a similar car.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA




To: STMFC@...
From: repairman87@...
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:25:28 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?





I was surfing the net and stumbled across this site with this picture.

http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=82586961

Anybody know what its purpose was or what it hauled or time frame it use used?

Thanks,
Scott









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Re: F&C NYC Despatch Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve

I have a 1966 photo of one of these cars, and it is still grey,
albeit very weathered. I also have a PC-era photo of a car that
is in company service (sand car) and it is painted black (but
lettered as NYC X32103). At least one car was repainted PC green
(PC 32353). A 1973 photo of CASO 880151 shows grey paint. That
photo of the black PC-era car is the only non-grey NYC covered
hopper I've ever seen.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/18/2010 11:58 AM Saturday, you wrote:
Gents--We have been having an interesting offlist discussion about these cars, but for me an important question remains unresolved. What color were they? From b&w photos on the CASO site, it seems before the war they were gray, and sometime in the 50's they were a dark color. When was the change? Would any cars in the 50's still be gray? Is the dark color freight car red or black?

Thanks!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: PRR web site (was RE: Interesting car)

Tim O'Connor
 

That is nice freight car photos collection! Thanks for pointing it out.

http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=82586961
Tim O'Connor


Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes it is a CO2 car, but I believe it was used to ship "dry ice"
(solid CO2) rather than liquified as is mostly done nowadays. Not
only private operators but also some railroads (Santa Fe) owned
dry ice cars.

Tim O'Connor

A guess would be Liquid Carbonic, and the second builder's photo on the page clearly shows a build date of 1935. I think LC was shipped in cylinders, but someone else may have more accurate information.

I seem to recall that Ambroid or someone of that era in HO offered a kit for a similar car.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA


I was surfing the net and stumbled across this site with this picture.

http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=82586961

Anybody know what its purpose was or what it hauled or time frame it use used?

Thanks,
Scott


Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Scott:



Its for the shipment of Dry Ice.



Paul C. Koehler



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Scott
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:25 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?





I was surfing the net and stumbled across this site with this picture.

http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=82586961

Anybody know what its purpose was or what it hauled or time frame it use
used?

Thanks,
Scott


Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?

Bill Welch
 

I noticed on an O Scale site recently that there is a resin kit for these

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Scott" <repairman87@...> wrote:

I was surfing the net and stumbled across this site with this picture.

http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=82586961

Anybody know what its purpose was or what it hauled or time frame it use used?

Thanks,
Scott


Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?

Stokes John
 

Liquid Carbonic Acid, CO2, is used to put the fizz in sodas. The LC Company started apparently in 1913 in Kansas City, and not only sold CO2 but made a popular soda fountain using the commercial size cylinders it supplied for many years. They also dealt in other compressed gasses and have offices around the country. A really neat car, would be unusual in a train.

If interested in this subject just take a few minutes to poke around in Google.

John S.

To: stmfc@...
From: ggstokes@...
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:49:35 -0700
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?


A guess would be Liquid Carbonic, and the second builder's photo on the page clearly shows a build date of 1935. I think LC was shipped in cylinders, but someone else may have more accurate information.

I seem to recall that Ambroid or someone of that era in HO offered a kit for a similar car.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA




To: STMFC@...
From: repairman87@...
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:25:28 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?





I was surfing the net and stumbled across this site with this picture.

http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=82586961

Anybody know what its purpose was or what it hauled or time frame it use used?

Thanks,
Scott










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Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?

Thomas Warne <warne@...>
 

I think it's for dry ice shipments.   Tom Warne

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

From: Scott <repairman87@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 12:25 PM
















 









I was surfing the net and stumbled across this site with this picture.



http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=82586961



Anybody know what its purpose was or what it hauled or time frame it use used?



Thanks,

Scott



























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