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Re: shipping kits

Mark
 

Did you try First class, Ed. priority is a little higher but they might have a box you can use.

Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 9/23/10, ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] shipping kits
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 3:43 PM







 









Can you guys recommend the most economical way to ship kits?



I'm shipping a P2K gon in it's original box and 2 Athearn gon shells. The P2K box is a little longer than usual so I put everything in a bigger box.



USPO wanted to charge $8+. Staples (who I thought represented UPS)wanted $12+



Ed

























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Re: Reading ques.

Leisey <RDG2124@...>
 

Assume by round center springs you mean the sideframes had round holes for the springs? These are Taylor trucks that were used on a few gondola cars and class MXu box cars and tried on 2 bay hoppers. Believe they were 50 ton capacity with 5'6" wheelbase. Larger wheelbase Taylor trucks were used on a few passenger cars and some of the electric multiple-unit commuter cars. The pass. trucks had a 7'9" wheelbase.

Evan Leisey
Reading Co. Transistion Era

I bought 2 pair of the round center spring package trucks for a Reading project; then promptly lost my notes. Do any Reading modelers have the short list of cars so equipped? Thanks in advance if you can help.

Fred Freitas
PRR Panhandle Divn. / 1953


Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:
Red Ball produced an HO model of a Carbon Black covered hopper c. 1941 ff. From this slim piece of evidence, I would presume the prototypes arose in the '30s sometime.
If I'm not mistaken there are pictures of these cars in the Kalmbach reprint of the 1941CBC.

Carbon black is very fluffy (i.e. few lbs./cu ft.) and significant amount gets lost when it's packed in bags.

Ed


Reading ques.

Panhandle Division 1953 <prrinvt@...>
 

Guyz,

I bought 2 pair of the round center spring package trucks for a Reading project; then promptly lost my notes. Do any Reading modelers have the short list of cars so equipped? Thanks in advance if you can help.

Fred Freitas
PRR Panhandle Divn. / 1953


Re: Accurail single-sheathed box cars and SL-SF single-sheathed box cars

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Oops! I was going for "Cancel" and hit "send" instead. Obviously I haven't answered Ben's question. Apologizes to all.

Gene Green
Out in the badlands of New Mexico
where, apparently, confusion reigns.


Re: Accurail single-sheathed box cars and SL-SF single-sheathed box cars

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Ben,
I got so involved in precisely wording my question as if I were a lawyer or something that I got off track.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:



Gene Green wrote:
"Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. After all your help with my research it is clear that none of these models, whether Sunshine, Westerfield or Accurail, are correct for the SLSF cars I need to represent. I consider this case closed."

Gene, I'm very confused by your decision. Based on the same resources, I come to the conclusion that you can easily model both the cars in your original question.

First, these cars can be modeled by Sunshine 39.4 plus Oddballs Decals #129:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=118626
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=68713

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun39b.pdf
http://mopac1.tripod.com/129.gif

Westerfield makes a perfectly good kit for the 1912 "sawtooth" SS boxcars:
http://www.westerfield.biz/11251_80098.htm

I think you're giving up too easily on these projects. Out of curiosity, how did you come to this conclusion?


Ben Hom


Re: Kadee Two-Piece Trucks

tugricktug2000 <tuggernaut@...>
 

Ditto for the 2D-F8's.
Rick Schoch
PRRT&HS #8245

I entirely agree with David, including the need for Vulcan trucks
in HGC!

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Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

Tim O'Connor
 

oops.

I had not read Ed Hawkins' post on these cars when I posted this.

CABX 350089 is a 3465 cft car, slightly larger than the Railshop
or F&C kits or the Overland brass model (OMI 3274). The difference
is in the height of the cars, slightly less than 18".

The earlier cars are listed as 3118 cft in 1953, but in 1940 they
are listed as over 2' shorter, and 3000 cft ! Were such cars rebuilt
and given increased capacity? Better check those ORER's to make sure
the Railshop car is exactly right for your era.

The original number series of CABX 350089 was 177-211 and they
were built after 1955 but before 1959, going from ORER data only.
The 3118 cft cars are all listed at least by 1953.

Tim O'Connor

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Cars of this design have been photographed in service as recently
as 2000 (10 years ago), e.g. CABX 350089. This indicates they were
built over a longer period than most freight cars, perhaps 25+ years.

Tim O'Connor


At 9/27/2010 12:15 PM Monday, you wrote:
There's an excellent article by our own Mr. Hendrickson in the January
'07 Rail Model Journal on these cars. Lots of photos and
information. The first cars were delivered in late 1933, and these
cars ran through the '60s into the '70s. The kits take a bit of
patience, but the results are well worth it.

-Clark Cooper


Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Red Ball produced an HO model of a Carbon Black covered hopper c. 1941 ff. From this slim piece of evidence, I would presume the prototypes arose in the '30s sometime.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

Tim O'Connor
 

It's been a while, but not that long Armand! I think the RPI kits
appeared around 1990 - 20 years ago (more or less).

Tim O'Connor

At 9/27/2010 01:04 PM Monday, you wrote:
I built the car some thirty years ago.It was released by the RPI club as part of their NEB&W line.It was produced by F&C .It is a nice looking car.Came with trucks and sold for $19.95.Cabot #21.Armand Premo


Re: Accurail single-sheathed box cars and SL-SF single-sheathed box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Gene Green wrote:
"Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. After all your help with my research it is clear that none of these models, whether Sunshine, Westerfield or Accurail, are correct for the SLSF cars I need to represent. I consider this case closed."

Gene, I'm very confused by your decision. Based on the same resources, I come to the conclusion that you can easily model both the cars in your original question.

First, these cars can be modeled by Sunshine 39.4 plus Oddballs Decals #129:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=118626
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=68713

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun39b.pdf
http://mopac1.tripod.com/129.gif

Westerfield makes a perfectly good kit for the 1912 "sawtooth" SS boxcars:
http://www.westerfield.biz/11251_80098.htm

I think you're giving up too easily on these projects. Out of curiosity, how did you come to this conclusion?


Ben Hom


Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

Tim O'Connor
 

Cars of this design have been photographed in service as recently
as 2000 (10 years ago), e.g. CABX 350089. This indicates they were
built over a longer period than most freight cars, perhaps 25+ years.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/27/2010 12:15 PM Monday, you wrote:
There's an excellent article by our own Mr. Hendrickson in the January
'07 Rail Model Journal on these cars. Lots of photos and
information. The first cars were delivered in late 1933, and these
cars ran through the '60s into the '70s. The kits take a bit of
patience, but the results are well worth it.

-Clark Cooper


Re: Carbon Black Cars (RailShop, etc.)

dakkinder
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald" <radepierre@...> wrote:

Doug,

I doubt that all four of the decal offerings would be suitable
for your 30,s period. Perhaps one or two.
You are looking for as-built schemes to satisfy this requirement.

For some good reference points, take a look at photos in the
book AC&F 1899-1999 by Ed Kaminski (Signature Press).
page-249 CTLX-107 built 1936.
page-249 UCBX-126 built 1941.
page-252 CCX-304 built 1947.
If you do not own this book, buy it. It is well done.

Both the Railshops and F&C kits are intended to represent
the AC&F built 3000cf cars.
General American, Pullman-Standard, and Magor also built
3000cf capacity cars of the same basic design.
But, as always expect slight differences.

I have seen other photos of as-built schemes but do not
recall where at the moment.

Ron dePierre

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "dakkinder" <dakkinder@> wrote:

Has anyone built this car? What are your thoughts about it? The markings offered for this car would any of them fit in a 30's era train ?

Doug Kinder
Thanks for your response. When you wrote "perhaps one or two" which one's ?
Doug Kinder


Re: Wheelset Jig

RDG2124 <RDG2124@...>
 

I hold the truck on its side then using a small brush rotate the wheel. A little care is needed to keep the paint off of the sideframe. The sideframes are also brush painted and weathered. Have batch painted by doing the inside of the wheels on one side then the outside of the wheels on the other side on the first pass. After the paint dries the process is repeated with the truck standing on its other side. The axle is painted during this second pass. The brush makes it easy to paint the rim without getting paint on the tread and flange. Tried the tiny, foam tipped brush to find that paint would creep over the rim onto the tread.


Evan Leisey
Bennett, CO


Re: Carbon Black Cars (RailShop, etc.)

gn999gn
 

Doug,

I doubt that all four of the decal offerings would be suitable
for your 30,s period. Perhaps one or two.
You are looking for as-built schemes to satisfy this requirement.

For some good reference points, take a look at photos in the
book AC&F 1899-1999 by Ed Kaminski (Signature Press).
page-249 CTLX-107 built 1936.
page-249 UCBX-126 built 1941.
page-252 CCX-304 built 1947.
If you do not own this book, buy it. It is well done.

Both the Railshops and F&C kits are intended to represent
the AC&F built 3000cf cars.
General American, Pullman-Standard, and Magor also built
3000cf capacity cars of the same basic design.
But, as always expect slight differences.

I have seen other photos of as-built schemes but do not
recall where at the moment.

Ron dePierre

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "dakkinder" <dakkinder@...> wrote:

Has anyone built this car? What are your thoughts about it? The markings offered for this car would any of them fit in a 30's era train ?

Doug Kinder


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Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

gn999gn
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, bnonut@... wrote:
The Essential Freight Car series (Ted Culotta) RMC article
which you reference is located in RMC-2005-March p92-95.

In addition to the Hendrickson article mentioned in a previous
posting in this thread, there is also an article authored by
Martin Lofton in Mainline Modeler-1993-May issue.

Ron dePierre

Ted Culotta had an article in RMC. At work right now but someone on this group know!
Mark Morgan

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From: "David North" <davenorth@...>
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:02:54
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

Has anyone built this car? What are your thoughts about it? The markings
offered for this car would any of them fit in a 30's era train ?
Doug Kinder


Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

David Sieber
 

Gentlemen,
Ted Culotta's article "Essential Freight Cars: 20" in the Mar 05 Railroad Model Craftsman covered three unique "non-essential" cars (QA&P double-sheathed wood boxcar, carbon black hopper, and vinegar tank car). It had two paragraphs on carbon black and early prototype cars, followed by a couple of pages on how to model the earliest cars with the F&C kit (NOT the Railshop car which I believe is a later prototype). Ted referenced Martin Lofton's article "Carbon Black" in the May 93 Mainline Modeler, and Eric Neubauer's "Carbon Black Cars" in Freight Car Journal Monograph #15 for more information on these uncommon cars.
Hope this helps,
Dave Sieber, Reno NV

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: bnonut@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:55:37 +0000
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

Ted Culotta had an article in RMC. At work right now but someone on this group know!

Mark Morgan


Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mark Morgan wrote:
Ted Culotta had an article in RMC. At work right now but someone on this group know!
Good suggestion, Mark. It was Ted's article No. 20, March, 2005 RMC, p. 90.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

Mark
 

Ted Culotta had an article in RMC. At work right now but someone on this group know!
Mark Morgan

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Railshop Carbon Black Car ?

Has anyone built this car? What are your thoughts about it? The markings
offered for this car would any of them fit in a 30's era train ?
Doug Kinder



Yes Doug,

I'm building one at present. It's a bit more than a shake the box kit, but
careful trial fitting of bits before gluing has worked for me so far.

The car is definitely suitable for the 1930s.

Not so sure about the Cabot decals.

Cabot Certified Spheron decals like those offered with F&Cs carbon black car
would be suitable.

Perhaps someone else can comment on the other decals Rail Shop offers with
their cars.

Cheers

Dave

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