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Re: IM PFE R40-25. paint scheme

asychis@...
 

IM shows as their catalog number 47421, PFE 2037, 4329, 2465, and 4781,
with the early 2 B&W herald sides and the gothic paint scheme. (silver roof
and black ends). I can't find this mixed paint scheme in the PFE book or
earlier postings. Is this correct?

Also did IM use the ARM R40-25?


Bill,

Yes, InterMountain's R40-25s are our cars reissued with new numbers, and
seemingly new paint schemes. We take no responsibility for InterMountain's
interpretation of correct paint schemes.

Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum


Frisco covered hopper

jerryglow2
 

Bowser makes 3 different lettered versions of their open side covered hoopper. I'm concerned with the two with Roman style lettering, one in black and the other gray. Intermountain has the black car. Are both versions correct and if so what is the difference (era, number series or ??)

Jerry Glow


Re: Great Northern flat car

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Michael

The CB&Q took a similar route with 146 FM-11 and FM-11A 45' flats that it had built in 1928-1930 at Galesburg. It coupled them in pairs, renumbered them to 88000-88072 A/B, reclassed them as FM-11B and used them for tractor loading, but not until 1962.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Great Northern flat car


Michael

They were marketed as 89'2" flat cars equipped for farm machinery loading.
Railroad rates for "loose cars" are almost always based on the size of the
car (and union work rules were often based on "cars") so by operating
"articulated" pairs of cars the GN could offer better rates than by simply
operating them as two cars. There were 63 of these "cars" on the roster in
1972. Other car types operated this way included 70 ton airslides.

I don't think that this existed before 1961, so it's after the STMFC era.

Tim O'Connor


Great Western Malting covered hopper

Kujawa's <xark@...>
 

Hi everyone:

I was wondering if anyone had any information or photos of any Great Western
Malting cars or operations. I have an old Con Cor car and an old AHM car
both with GWM markings. Here is the only info I've come up with. Thanks in
advance for any info or photos. Below is the only info I've come up with.

Roger Kujawa
Morton, IL.

Link to photo of car:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/484587126/pic/150610902/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc


Message:

Hi Roger,

I can give you a little bit of information on your cars. I've been working
for GWM for over 25 year as their North American Traffic Manager as well as
GWM was my customer for over 15 years prior. This is what I remember:

Great Western had turned to leasing a fleet of Northern Pacific rail cars
back in the 60's. I cannot tell you how many, but they were the first fleet
of cars that carried the Great Western name on the side. I believe these
were green cars.

Then I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, Great Western leased a
newer fleet of cars in the 70's that were blue with the pyramid type
mountain logo on the side of the car. They were used in a general pool and
not necessarily used solely in California. Great Western Malting owned and
operated two malt plants in the 70's: Vancouver, WA & Los Angeles, CA.

Great Western's leased cars were used to service breweries all along the
west coast such as: Rainier Brewing, Seattle, WA, Lucky Brewing, Vancouver
WA, Olympia Brewing, Tumwater, WA, Anheuser Busch California breweries &
Miller Brewing in Irwindale, CA etc. If any of the leases were solely used
in California, it would have been for a short period of time and had to have
been used for either the Miller Irwindale brewery and/or the Anheuser Busch
La Metro, CA (Los Angeles, CA) brewery. But to my knowledge the leases were
not tagged to any specific malting plant.

The last batch of railcars lease by Great Western Malting were Grey in color
with a black logo. I believe this was in the late 70's or so.

Great Western's fleet of cars hauled "Malt", which is malted grains...or you
could call it "malted barley" and shipped blended malts as specific recipes
to the large breweries in the Western States.

Hope this helps.

sue


Re: Pipe Unions, tees, and elbows in brass

Jared Harper
 

I can testity they are a great product from the old Tomalco line.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@...> wrote:

Howdy!

    If any one reading this list would like real brass unions, tees or elbows, contact me off
list.

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

--- On Mon, 8/23/10, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

From: Jim Betz <jimbetz@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Pipe Unions
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 1:21 AM







 









Hi,



Very short lengths of shrink tubing make very nice HO scale

pipe unions and angle fittings.

Put it on 'loose' and move it to where you want it, when you

want it there, and shrink around the brass wire.

Need it thicker? Use two and shrink the first and then put

the second over it.

Use slightly longer lengths to do "corners". Can even be

used to form "T" joints by using 3 pieces (one on each leg)

and then 'joining' in the middle with some Krystal Klear.

Will hold paint but not real well - acrylics slightly better

than lacquers in this regard. It is better to use a color for

the shrink tubing that 'blends' with the rest of the model

(black usually) ... and the piping color.

You can even use it to 'join' two pieces of scale piping.

For instance if you break a hand rail you can slip on some

shrink tube on one side, align and slide it over the other

so it covers both, and shrink to lock in place.

- Jim

























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Re: Great Northern flat car

Tim O'Connor
 

Michael

They were marketed as 89'2" flat cars equipped for farm machinery loading.
Railroad rates for "loose cars" are almost always based on the size of the
car (and union work rules were often based on "cars") so by operating
"articulated" pairs of cars the GN could offer better rates than by simply
operating them as two cars. There were 63 of these "cars" on the roster in
1972. Other car types operated this way included 70 ton airslides.

I don't think that this existed before 1961, so it's after the STMFC era.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/28/2010 09:30 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
At the following URL a photo of two Great Northern flat cars is shown. I know the photo was taken in 1969 nine years after this groups cut-off date but the two cars look to be 40' flats from sometime earlier than 1960. The two cars look as if they are being used as single car, notice the name "Great Northern" is only on the closest car and a car number is on the second car. My question is: Were these cars used this way before the 1960's? And what were they used for? Thanks for any help.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn64531ajs.jpg
Michael Bishop


Re: Great Northern flat car

Larry Wolohon
 

Michael,



Per my copy of GN Color Guide to Freight & Passenger Equipment by David Hickox, this is a single car as you noted made of 2 1929 Siems Stemble Co. flat cars.

They were combined in 1966 to haul farm implements as an articulated car rather than order or build longer flat cars.



So this is outside the scope of STMFC partly at least.



Larry W.

----- Original Message -----
From: "goldrod_1" <goldrod_1@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:30:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Great Northern flat car

 




At the following URL a photo of two Great Northern flat cars is shown. I know the photo was taken in 1969 nine years after this groups cut-off date but the two cars look to be 40' flats from sometime earlier than 1960. The two cars look as if they are being used as single car, notice the name "Great Northern" is only on the closest car and a car number is on the second car. My question is: Were these cars used this way before the 1960's? And what were they used for? Thanks for any help.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn64531ajs.jpg
Michael Bishop


Re: shipping kits

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

I just looked up Media Mail rates -- to ship 20 lbs of books from
California to Massachusetts is less than $10. I always ask for media
mail when ordering books, if it's available from the seller.

Tim O'Connor

For the lighter packages, yes, but NOT true in general. In book
shipping, we look to see where the "crossover" is with UPS, often
around two or three books.

Tony Thompson


Great Northern flat car

goldrod_1 <goldrod_1@...>
 

At the following URL a photo of two Great Northern flat cars is shown. I know the photo was taken in 1969 nine years after this groups cut-off date but the two cars look to be 40' flats from sometime earlier than 1960. The two cars look as if they are being used as single car, notice the name "Great Northern" is only on the closest car and a car number is on the second car. My question is: Were these cars used this way before the 1960's? And what were they used for? Thanks for any help.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn64531ajs.jpg
Michael Bishop


Re: shipping kits

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rich Orr wrote:
Generally, USPS parcel post is the least expensive. I ship everything by Priority mail with tracking.
For the lighter packages, yes, but NOT true in general. In book shipping, we look to see where the "crossover" is with UPS, often around two or three books.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: shipping kits

SUVCWORR@...
 

Generally, USPS parcel post is the least expensive. I ship everything by Priority mail with tracking.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:43 pm
Subject: [STMFC] shipping kits


Can you guys recommend the most economical way to ship kits?

I'm shipping a P2K gon in it's original box and 2 Athearn gon shells. The P2K
box is a little longer than usual so I put everything in a bigger box.

USPO wanted to charge $8+. Staples (who I thought represented UPS)wanted $12+

Ed



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Re: shipping kits

Tim O'Connor
 

In addition to weight of 13 oz, a first class package cannot be longer
than 12" in any dimension. First class is the cheapest way to go whenever
possible! Priority Mail/Fixed Price boxes are all 12" or smaller in all
dimensions, until you go to the LARGE box -- and then the price is very
high! So if you're shipping HO passenger cars, UPS probably is the less
expensive route. I recently had to look all this up trying to ship a
long car to New Zealand -- the price jumped from $18 to $40 at the 12"
dimension threshold.

Tim O'Connor

Single car shipping, the goal should be to keep the weight below 13 ounces,
above that there is a big increase to Priority Mail, and about $2.00 more. 1st
class is also non-zone rated, which means a cross crountry shipping will not
cost extra over a near destination. Priority Mail charges hefty extra fees to
farther away destinations.

I will frequently wrap a HO kit with kraft paper. Most freight cars will then
ship 1st class. I sent two kraft wrapped flat cars to a STMFC member; to keep
the total under 13 ounces, I had to remove one of the instructions. The same two
cars in a box would have been about $7.00 instead of the $3.80.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Bob Liljestrand's (aka Bob's Photos) Current Address, Telephone or Email?

Scott Pitzer
 

Based on STFMC messages over several years, this guy should be on the 10 Least Findable People List, somewhere below Osama Bin Laden, but (nowadays) somewhere above J.D. Salinger.
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Aug 21, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Bob Slavinski wrote:

Hi there....I goolged Bob's Photo's in Ansonia, CT and got a phone
number of
(203) 734-6666.....and an address of 37 Spring Street....hope this
helps...
Bob Slavinski
Max & Bob,
Bob Liljestrand moved to Kentucky several years ago. His current
address is P.O. Box 52, Wallingford, KY 40193, phone 606-845-3323.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins




Re: flat car missing floor boards

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Ed & Group,

In the mid-1970s -- well into the future for this group -- the Kansas City Railroad Museum requested a flatcar from the KCS to use as a stage for a weekend event. The car we received was in general service and it did have about one-third of its floor timbers missing. It was a good thing we had enough planking and plywood laying around to cover the holes. Or at least most of them.

Back to the present... I can remember seeing some rather well used flat cars in the late 1950s.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:33 PM, ed_mines wrote:

Has anyone else seen a flat car with floor boards missing? In revenue service? In the steam era?

About 1980 I saw a car like this in a small train switching my then employer GAF. We were not the only customer; there were 2 other cars besides ours and the flat car. The car was missing 6-8 feet of floorboards. You cound clearly seen the underframe and stringers.

The flat may have been used as a spacer or pusher to get the other cars in/out of a building. Spacer cars like this are frequently seen in pictures on the Long Island Railroad.

ED


Re: shipping kits

Andy Carlson
 

Single car shipping, the goal should be to keep the weight below 13 ounces,
above that there is a big increase to Priority Mail, and about $2.00 more. 1st
class is also non-zone rated, which means a cross crountry shipping will not
cost extra over a near destination. Priority Mail charges hefty extra fees to
farther away destinations.

I will frequently wrap a HO kit with kraft paper. Most freight cars will then
ship 1st class. I sent two kraft wrapped flat cars to a STMFC member; to keep
the total under 13 ounces, I had to remove one of the instructions. The same two
cars in a box would have been about $7.00 instead of the $3.80.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: shipping kits

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Mines asked:
"Can you guys recommend the most economical way to ship kits?

I'm shipping a P2K gon in it's original box and 2 Athearn gon shells. The P2K box is a little longer than usual so I put everything in a bigger box.

USPO wanted to charge $8+. Staples (who I thought represented UPS)wanted $12+"

Ed, to answer our question, you'll need to do the following homework:

- Weigh the contents of your package plus your shipping box plus the packaging material. Due to the relatively light weight of your contents, I recommend finding a regular shipping box first vice using carrier-provided as they will steer you towards higher-priced services that may not be economical for a small shipment.

- Explore your options online. Go to the USPS postage calculator at
http://www.usps.com/tools/calculatepostage/welcome.htm?from=home_header&page=calculatepostage
and run your package weight and destination in the calcualtor to figure your postage. You essentially have several different options: First Class Mail (weight less than 13 oz); standard Priority Mail rates, and Priority Mail flat rate packaging. I strongly recommend you explore your options using this too because depending on the weight of your package and the destination, the rates may differ greatly. FedEx and UPS have similar tools online.

- USPS, FedEx, and UPS also allow you to process pacakges and print postage online (Priority Mail only for USPS), saving you time in line at the post office/FedEx Office store/UPS Store.

If you do your homework, you can do better than the prices quoted to you. I've been shipping packages for eBay auctions for over 10 years now, and have learned the system to keep shipping costs down.


Ben Hom


flat car missing floor boards

ed_mines
 

Has anyone else seen a flat car with floor boards missing? In revenue service? In the steam era?

About 1980 I saw a car like this in a small train switching my then employer GAF. We were not the only customer; there were 2 other cars besides ours and the flat car. The car was missing 6-8 feet of floorboards. You cound clearly seen the underframe and stringers.

The flat may have been used as a spacer or pusher to get the other cars in/out of a building. Spacer cars like this are frequently seen in pictures on the Long Island Railroad.

ED


Re: Digest Number 6455

Jedalberg
 

In a message dated 9/28/2010 8:09:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:

_Re: Bob Liljestrand's (aka Bob's Photos) Current Address, Telephone _
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/message/93602;_ylc=X3oDMTJyY3NoOTJ0BF9TAzk3
MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI1NTQ3NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTY5NzI1BG1zZ0lkAzkzNjAyBHNlYwNk
bXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyODU3MTg5NzY-)
(http://profiles.yahoo.com/bobslavinski)



Bob Has moved again, in the recent past, to another location in KY. I spoke
with him at the Dieruff Show in Allentown on Sunday.
He had about 35-40' of table, and told me the load in his truck was a ton
and a half!! He did say he would be at Naperville. He offered me his card,
but I said I already had one, from when he was at our RPM-Valley Forge in
March. Of course, I can't find it. Sorry. But only a couple of weeks' til
Naperville. Make sure you don't get a room under his.

Jim Dalberg
Paoli Pa


Re: shipping kits

ed_mines
 

Thanks to all who made suggestions. Will concentrate on the USPO and use a minimum sized box.

Never had this problem before.

Damn P2K box is pretty long relative to other demensions.

Ed


Re: Reading ques.

Larry Kline
 

I have a 1926 builders photo of RDG gon 25020 (24500-25499) and a 1957 McCoid photo of RDG gon 24198 (23500-24499), both with Taylor trucks. These are 70 ton, 46' IL USRA clone class GML gons. The wheelbase is probably 5'8" which was the standard wheelbase for 70 ton trucks.

I have three other photos of earlier GMLs 20000 and 20571 (20000-21999) and 23599 (23500-24999) that have 70 ton Andrews trucks.

There is a 1968 Jim Sands photo of 70 ton 61' IL gon 30018, class GHF (30000-31999) , on Fallen Flags:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg30018ajs.jpg

Fred Freitas wrote:
I bought 2 pair of the round center spring package trucks for a Reading project; then promptly lost my notes. Do any Reading modelers have the short list of cars
so equipped? Thanks in advance if you can help.

and Evan Leisey replied:
These are Taylor trucks that were used on a few gondola cars and class MXu box cars and tried on 2 bay hoppers. Believe they were 50 ton capacity with
5'6" wheelbase. Larger wheelbase Taylor trucks were used on a few passenger cars and some of the electric multiple-unit commuter cars. The pass. trucks had
a 7'9" wheelbase.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

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