There is a reinforcement under the doors, strengthened by the two outer door posts that extend through it.

Bill Welch

On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:27 PM, cepropst@q.com wrote:

Thanks Ed,
The Kato website says they're 70 ton! They were made for their 1958
cu ft covered hopper. Glad to hear they're 50 ton !!!

The N&W Kadee model is #44324. I have documents for 2 cars in that
series.
N&W 44456 44000-44999 XM furniture 1/4/59
N&W 44672 44000-44999 XM lumber 7/17/59

Clark,
The Pullman-Standard builder's photo from this lot just happened to be
44324. The car had A-3 Ride Control trucks.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I assume this would also apply to the transportion of cotton seed oil
from cotton presses. I am modeling a facility in Texas that shipped
cotton seed oil. One of their customers was a paint manufacturer in
Louisiana. Would this typically be a UTLX, GATX, (whatever) tanker,
reserved for other than petroleum use? Photos????
Charles Etheredge
Austin, Texas

Charles,

I think (hope) that Richard Hendrickson will forgive me for reposting
this old message (from 1998) to the old Freightcars mailing list. I hope
it answers your question.

Tim O'Connor

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Shawn, cottonseed oil was one of the major commodities shipped in tank
cars. Those cars were usually equipped with heater coils, as cottonseed oil
tends to congeal when cold; heater pipes were optional on TM/ICC-103 class
cars, as there was no special AAR or ICC designation or class suffix for
cars that were so equipped. The best brief account for your purposes is
contained in the book "General American Tank Car Journeys," published by
GATC in 1931, which I have excerpted below:

"Cottonseed oil....ranges from pale yellow to a red-black mixture,
depending on the nature and conditions of the seed and the method of
extraction and refinement.... When the seeds are crushed the oil, which is
dark in color, is refined by heating with a solution of caustic soda, and
clarified by filtration. In this refining, the residue containing some of
the caustic soda...is sold to the soap industry, while the clarified oil,
stearin and palmitin are extracted by chilling and pressing. This solid
fat, known as stearno, is used in making oleomargarine. Enormous
quantities of cottonseed oil move in tank cars to be used as soap stocks,
lubricants, salad oils, cooking oils, water-proofing compositions, packing
sardines and as a base for cosmetic creams. The press cake from cottonseed
oil, called cottonseed meal, is used in large quantities as the organic
nitrogen constituent of fertilizers and also as a cattle feed."

FWIW, the weight of cottonseed oil is given as 7.75 lbs. per gallon.

In a quick scan of my 8/47 ORER, I find several other tank car owners whose
cars were used largely or partly for cotton oil shipments, including The
Best Foods, Inc. (BFX, 92 cars), Colgate-Palmolive-Peet (TPCX, 52 cars),
Cuero Cotton Oil & Mfg. Co. (CUMX, 4 cars), Durkee Div. of the Glidden Co.
(DFFX, 11 cars), Fels & Co. (FELX, 6 cars), and Texas Vegetable Oil Co.
(TVOX, 3 cars). No doubt there were others; "oil" and "refining" companies
weren't always in the petroleum business, but it may not be evident from
their ORER entries that what they transported was, in fact, cottonseed oil.
These private owner cars are only the tip of the iceberg, however, as car
leasing companies like General American, Union Tank Line, Shippers Car
Line, and John H. Grace assigned many cars to cottonseed oil service. As
you model the Cotton Belt, you are safe in assuming that there was
substantial tank car traffic in cottonseed oil on that RR.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Thanks so much Tim. This helps me out a lot. As I don't offhand remember any specific tank car kit ( or RTR) made for this nor any decals for an undec. kit, I will have to go with some leased cars.

Charles Etheredge
Austin, Texas

Bill,
 
 
Try this one; thesupplycar@yahoo.com; this should get the results you seek for Bob McCarthy.
 
Fred Freitas

Can anyone direct me to a photo of
this series? I recently came across an old Walthers kit,
that I built about 15 years ago, and I think I'll re-detail
it for the prototype it's closest to.

Hi Al,

IRM has IC 40285 in its collection, and has several detail photos of the car on their website, including decent closeups of the ends and underframe.

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

BRASS ELBOWS, TEE_,___
I have been trying (unsuccessfully) to contact Bob Macarthy dba The
Supply Company who
noted these items on the list several days ago. Does anyone know of
him or how to contact him?

Bill Pardie

I have replaced all the wheelsets in my Kato ASF trucks with Reboxx wheels...A bit spendy, but it certainly makes them look and roll better...

Matt Sugerman
Ft. Worth, TX

That's real interesting! I'll buy copies the next time I see Bob. The big thing I don't know is whether the side sill's straight, or if there's a heavier brace under the doors.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Any chance of somebody doing the Simplex bolster in both archbar and later cast steel sideframe as was so commonly used on the Canadian roads? I know LL has done the cast sideframe version, but their bolster height was done "different" than the rest of the modeling world, so we really need another run at these to do them better.

Rich Chrysler

I have photos of IC 40476 and 40394 from Bob's Photo. Info on the back says they were both photographed at Ft. Bragg, NC on the same date, 10-17-51, which I would be skeptical about. 3/3/3 Dreadnaught ends and what appears to be a Hutchins roof and fishbelly u/f. Five panels to the right of the two steel doors and 3 1/2 panels to the left of the doors, the half panel being a truncated panel with diagonal brace. Bracing is a Howe truss. Doors are Youngstown.

This is one of several 50' SS cars begging to be done in resin.

Bill Welch

These appear to be the truck in the photos I have of NC&StL, Southern and Clinchfield covered hoppers. I do not seem to have a good photo of any of the L&N's LO's.

The Kadee photo is very small but it still looks better (more sharply rendered IMO) than the truck that IM provides.

Bill Welch

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Plenty of sugar cane in Louisiana and eastern Texas too.

Another source of molasses is wood fiber -- there was an article
some while back of molasses production at a fibre-board mill in Duluth.

My not-so-reliable memory tells me that back in the '60s there was an RMC article by E. L. Moore on building a molasses mine. Carstens published article after article by Moore, almost all of them for funky little buildings, many of them (like the molasses mine) tongue-in-cheek. So I suppose if you want to continue in that vein :-), you could ship it in hoppers.

Tom Madden

Thanks Scott. I assume the B means 70 ton?

I put Branchline Barbers under my covered hoppers, because it was as close as I could get...till now : )

Clark Propst

Victor,
There's a fantastic article in latest Craftsman.
Clark Propst

Thanks Ed,
The Kato website says they're 70 ton! They were made for their 1958 cu ft covered hopper. Glad to hear they're 50 ton !!!

The N&W Kadee model is #44324. I have documents for 2 cars in that series.
N&W 44456 44000-44999 XM furniture 1/4/59
N&W 44672 44000-44999 XM lumber 7/17/59

Plenty of sugar cane in Louisiana and eastern Texas too.

Another source of molasses is wood fiber -- there was an article
some while back of molasses production at a fibre-board mill in Duluth.

Tim O'Connor

Charles Etheridge wrote:

SP tank cars were used for many commercial shipments including cottonseed oil.
Tony Thompson

Hi John,

Thanks. I ordered the 7/66 MR from Railpub.

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

Clark P asked:

Does anyone make a 70 ton Barber S2 truck? (Plain brg)

Kadee just introduced one:

http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page566.htm

And yes Clark, all of your 1,958cf cement hoppers should have 70-ton trucks.

Scott Chatfield

"wabash2813" Victor Baird wrote:

Now all I need to do is figure out a likely origin for my molasses.

Sugar beets manufactured in the Midwest?

"Jeff Wilson's Industries Along the Tracks 3" shows a 1959 map of

sugar beet manufacturing facilities in the U.S.

Victor,

Buy the October 2010 issue of RMC that contains a 10-page article by
Richard Wehr on a sugar beet processing plant in Mason City, Iowa. There
a processing flow chart showing molasses as one of the by-products that
was mostly used for animal feed.

To Bill Welch there are some FGE reefers in the background in a photo of
a truck dumper on page 61 of the above article.

Bob Witt