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New Group for MILW Beer Line

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi guys--A new email list for Milwaukee's Beer Line may be of interest to some. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beerlinemodelers/ .The list owner, a local modeler, models 1954 in HO so the freight cars used are of interest here. Pabst and Blatz breweries are serviced mostly with URTX wooden reefers, represented by Branchline's models with URTX reporting marks and MILW herald. Schlitz shipments are made in Dairy Shippers Despatch Co. (DSDX) wooden reefers represented by Accurail models and in DSDX steel cars built in the MILW shops as insulated boxcars. Here is a photo from the RPI site:
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/displayimage.php?i=31357 This is essentially a reefer without ice bunkers, including no roof hatches. These are being modeled with modified Intermountain R40-23 kits. With the January 1955 ORER reporting DSDX with 350 wooden reefers with ice bunkers, another 232 with the bulkheads collapsed, and 600 steel cars, and shipment of Schlitz beer made nation-wide, it is surprising that more isn't known about these cars.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


BRASS ELBOWS, TEE'S AND UNIONS

Bob McCarthy
 

Howdy!

     For all of you trying to contact me about elbows, tees, and unions.  Please contact me off list. 

     Please provide a phone number and when to call you with a TimeZone.  I will call you directly at the time you indicate.

Thank you,

Bob McCarthy
THE SDUPPLY CAR, LLC

--- On Sat, 10/2/10, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Subject: [STMFC] BRASS ELBOWS, TEE'S AND UNIONS
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 11:01 PM







 









BRASS ELBOWS, TEE_,___

I have been trying (unsuccessfully) to contact Bob Macarthy dba The

Supply Company who

noted these items on the list several days ago. Does anyone know of

him or how to contact him?



Bill Pardie



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Re: Accurail single-sheathed box cars and SL-SF single-sheathed box cars.

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Jim,
There are so many things I don't know, the existence of this index being one of them. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

A 2-part article in Volumes 1 & 2 according to the handy index at the RPC
site,
http://www.rpcycpub.com/RP_CYC_Article_Index.pdf

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Gene <bierglaeser@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, cepropst@
wrote:

There is an article on the Frisco cars in an early RP cyc. #2-3?

Sunshine offers the correct kit. I think in both wood and steel
sheathing?

Clark Propst
Clark,
You have touched upon a couple of my shortcomings.

First, I haven't created an overall index to my RP Cycs but I really
should. The RP Cys are some of the best reference material in my collection.


Second, I have yet to assemble my first Sunshine or Westerfield kit. I
suffer, apparently, from resin-angst.

Actually, to some extent or another, I am moving away from accuracy and
fidelity to prototype in favor of ready-to-run and durability. If I ever get
my building erected -25' x 60' building is on hand but $6,000-$7,000 for
concrete foundation is not - I don't want visiting engineers or conductors
unintentionally damaging a resin car while rerailing it.

Gene Green



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Re: Accurail single-sheathed box cars and SL-SF single-sheathed box cars.

Jim Hayes
 

A 2-part article in Volumes 1 & 2 according to the handy index at the RPC
site,
http://www.rpcycpub.com/RP_CYC_Article_Index.pdf

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Gene <bierglaeser@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, cepropst@...
wrote:

There is an article on the Frisco cars in an early RP cyc. #2-3?

Sunshine offers the correct kit. I think in both wood and steel
sheathing?

Clark Propst
Clark,
You have touched upon a couple of my shortcomings.

First, I haven't created an overall index to my RP Cycs but I really
should. The RP Cys are some of the best reference material in my collection.


Second, I have yet to assemble my first Sunshine or Westerfield kit. I
suffer, apparently, from resin-angst.

Actually, to some extent or another, I am moving away from accuracy and
fidelity to prototype in favor of ready-to-run and durability. If I ever get
my building erected -25' x 60' building is on hand but $6,000-$7,000 for
concrete foundation is not - I don't want visiting engineers or conductors
unintentionally damaging a resin car while rerailing it.

Gene Green



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Re: Champ Decals website

Tim O'Connor
 

Nothing, sorry, I meant to send that to Tom off list...

Tim

At 10/3/2010 03:20 PM Sunday, you wrote:
I am not sure what this thread's direction has to do with freight cars.

Bill Welch


Re: Champ Decals website

Bill Welch
 

I am not sure what this thread's direction has to do with freight cars.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Tom, the internet is worldwide. What can Congress do if someone in
another country decides to copy the web site and host it off shore?
This is already widely done -- If I felt like it I could go right now
to any number of web sites and download complete copies of recent
Hollywood movies. Every 12 year old in America knows this...

Tim


At 10/3/2010 03:35 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Tim,

That is debatable! I think that is one of the internet issues that will come up before congress some time in the spring!''Tom


Re: Speaking of trucks

Tim O'Connor
 

Just an FYI, according to an ASF advertisement in the 1961 CBC

-- over one million ASF Ride Control trucks in service in 1961
-- over one half of all new freight cars were being purchased
with ASF Ride Control trucks by 1961

The first number is especially interesting because it means over
30% of ALL freight cars of all types had ASF Ride Control trucks
by 1961. I don't know whether they were all "A-3" trucks however.
ASF also made other trucks -- Intermountain made an ASF truck for
its model of the SFRD refrigerator cars.

Tim O'Connor
-------------------------------------

Well, reading over this message I wrote, I see I screwed up on the
spring grouping. Here's a correction:

50-ton A-3 trucks have 5 coil springs in each side frame, grouped 2-1-2.
70-ton A-3 trucks have 7 coil springs in each side frame, grouped 2-3-2.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Speaking of trucks

brianleppert@att.net
 

Well, reading over this message I wrote, I see I screwed up on the spring grouping. Here's a correction:

50-ton A-3 trucks have 5 coil springs in each side frame, grouped 2-1-2.
70-ton A-3 trucks have 7 coil springs in each side frame, grouped 2-3-2.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:

for a 50-ton truck, and their spring detail represents the 5 coil grouping of a 50-ton A-3 truck. These are spaced in a 2-3-2 pattern, with a visual gap


Re: Champ Decals website

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom, the internet is worldwide. What can Congress do if someone in
another country decides to copy the web site and host it off shore?
This is already widely done -- If I felt like it I could go right now
to any number of web sites and download complete copies of recent
Hollywood movies. Every 12 year old in America knows this...

Tim

At 10/3/2010 03:35 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Tim,

That is debatable! I think that is one of the internet issues that will come up before congress some time in the spring!''Tom


Re: MILW 271199

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:18 AM, Stephan wrote (responding to a post by
Jim Dick):

Jim,

I just ran across a photo of this car while researching something
else, and it started me searching for info on them.

The photo is the same one you posted, but was published in the 1928
Car Builders Cyclopedia, p131 - and may have been accompanied by a
drawing on another page.

The car, 271199, is a fifty foot SS car, w/double doors both
sides, staggered. Hutchins roof, Howe truss side framing with a
quite visually apparent 9 inch rolled steel channel under the door
opening, that in concert with a 4 x 3 5/16 inch channel above the
set of Youngstown pressed steel doors.
As of 1/53, there were 448 active cars in this series with auxiliary
doors either removed or secured closed and 6' main door openings,
plus 9 cars with all side doors secured closed, side discharge
chutes, and roof hatches for sawdust loading. There were also 311
cars remaining in the very similar 271500-271999 series - on these
the auxiliary doors were still functional and door openings were 12'
wide - plus 3 cars converted for sawdust loading. I have in-service
photos from the '50s of cars in both series which I can scan if that
would be helpful.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Speaking of trucks

brianleppert@att.net
 

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:

Brian, will you be at Naperville this year?
No, I won't be there.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


N&W Schaeffer 70T trucks

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Does anyone know of a ready source for these trucks in HO?

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Railshop H30 covered hoppers?

hummerdaves
 

--- In STMFC@..., "dakkinder" <dakkinder@...> wrote:

Has anyone built this kit ? How did it go for you. Are there any tips you can give ?
I'm thinking about getting this one .

Doug Kinder
Doug I have 2 that I'm doing and they go together well, bend the etched brass parts with a single edge razor and watch where the etchings go, one
has a defect card holder that should be on the A end. Take your time doing the roof hardware also and there is a cast nub that needs to be remove from the center sill, all in all not a bad kit to build.
Dave Schroedle
www,protoweathering.com/SMF


Re: Speaking of trucks

Clark Propst
 

Gosh, you don't suppose Kadee used that photo do you : )))

Thanks Ed!
Clark Propst


The Pullman-Standard builder's photo from this lot just happened to >be 44324. The car had A-3 Ride Control trucks.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Speaking of trucks

Clark Propst
 

Thanks to everyone for the detective work on the Kato truck. Makes my life a lot easier : )

Brian, will you be at Naperville this year?

Matt, I've replaced the Kato wheels sets with Reboxx also, but didn't notice any differece. Unless the Reboxx rolled worse?
Maybe I'm using the wrong size, but used the size Reboxx recommends?

Clark Propst


MILW 271199

steve_wintner
 

Jim,

I just ran across a photo of this car while researching something else, and it started me searching for info on them.

The photo is the same one you posted, but was published in the 1928 Car Builders Cyclopedia, p131 - and may have been accompanied by a drawing on another page.

Since I did not find any info in this list, I will continue my search elsewhere - will let you know if I find more info. Did you turn up anything elsewhere ?

have fun
Steve Wintner

--- In STMFC@..., "np328" <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:

This last Saturday afternoon I was at the Minneapolis Public Library collecting some data for a friend. While paging through the collection of Railway Ages, in one of them , Vol. 82, Jan-June 1927, page 1208, I happened to come across this article about a CMStP&P boxcar with 12 ft side door openings.

I have placed a picture of this car from the article in the photos area. It is waiting for the moderators approval - look for CMStP&P PC&M 50 XM

I thought this looked like an interesting car. Note the ladder set up on the right side. Glancing through the article I noticed one paragraph, the fifth paragraph.

The fifth paragraph told of "The steel center posts are fitted with wood fillers and have an automatic locking attachment. The grain door nailing strips at the door post fillers have been especially designed so as to fit flush with the lining and thus avoid damage to the lading or annoyance to the shippers when loading automobiles. Possible difficulty is also avoided when these cars are loaded with grain or some similar commodity for which scrapers are used for unloading purposes."

The car, 271199, is a fifty foot SS car, w/double doors both sides, staggered. Hutchins roof, Howe truss side framing with a
quite visually apparent 9 inch rolled steel channel under the door opening, that in concert with a 4 x 3 5/16 inch channel above the
set of Youngstown pressed steel doors.

Of prior musings about double door cars being used in grain service; the above offers no proof that these ever were used in
grain service, only that these double door cars had provisions
for such use built into them at time of manufacture, and they could have been.

In concert with this, there are several interesting articles on the movement of Canadian grain in the 1928 issues of Railway Age. It would appear in that time frame, a large amount of grain moved through US ports. New York, NY, getting the principle export volume, Boston, Portland, ME, and even Newport News, VA. were other ports of note.

Would anyone be able to fill in a further background on this series of car?
And -was it still around in that form in 1953 ?

And one last question, are any models of this car available in HO?
Jim Dick - St. Paul


Re: Champ Decals website

tmolsen@...
 

Tim,

That is debatable! I think that is one of the internet issues that will come up before congress some time in the spring!''Tom


Re: Tank Cars to Transport Molasses

Allen Rueter
 

Victor, have you looked at the OpSig* Industry files?

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO




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From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 12:44:05 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tank Cars to Transport Molasses


Now all I need to do is figure out a likely origin for my molasses. Sugar beets
manufactured in the Midwest?

"Jeff Wilson's Industries Along the Tracks 3" shows a 1959 map of sugar beet
manufacturing facilities in the U.S.

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana







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Re: BRASS ELBOWS, TEE'S AND UNIONS

Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...>
 

Bill
I was also unable to get to him sure could use some of those elbows for a loco
project.  The orignal message didn't give enough of his address.
Don Ford
Kanab UT




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From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 5:01:52 PM
Subject: [STMFC] BRASS ELBOWS, TEE'S AND UNIONS

 
BRASS ELBOWS, TEE_,___
I have been trying (unsuccessfully) to contact Bob Macarthy dba The
Supply Company who
noted these items on the list several days ago. Does anyone know of
him or how to contact him?

Bill Pardie









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Re: Tank Cars to Transport Molasses

Cyril Durrenberger
 

No sugar cane was raised in East Texas (or at least what those of us from Texas call East Texas) and not in Texas at all after about 1929 until the 1970's, well after the time period of this group.  The sugar refinery in Sugarland, Texas received the raw sugar from Louisiana.

Cyril Durrenberger

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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tank Cars to Transport Molasses
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 1:11 PM







 











Plenty of sugar cane in Louisiana and eastern Texas too.



Another source of molasses is wood fiber -- there was an article

some while back of molasses production at a fibre-board mill in Duluth.



Tim O'Connor



At 10/2/2010 01:44 PM Saturday, you wrote:

Now all I need to do is figure out a likely origin for my molasses. Sugar beets manufactured in the Midwest?
"Jeff Wilson's Industries Along the Tracks 3" shows a 1959 map of sugar beet manufacturing facilities in the U.S.
Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana





















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