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Re: Running crap

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

mike brock wrote:
Are you saying that some remained "as built" in MW service? Hmmm. Rebuilds with steel sides would, of course, at least LOOK like a different car...regardless of what the IRS might have concluded.
I can supply a correct SPMW number if you want--just do a "patch" job. They then carried company materials, and did sometimes go off line. The rebuilt steel cars did keep their original car numbers, a possible source of confusion for those not carefully reading the ORER, but they are called "all steel" therein, and did receive a different class number when rebuilt, B-50-12A.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Reboxx wheel sets

Clark Propst
 

My plan is to replace my Kadee trucks with their new 2 piece model.
Clark Propst


Re: Running crap

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Tony Thompson notes about the SP USRA SS box cars:

Not at all, although none of the cars in the original USRA
configuration were still in REVENUE service after 1950. Dozens became
MW cars during the 1949 rebuilding of 650 (of the original 1000) cars
with new steel sides and roofs, and kitbashed ends.
Are you saying that some remained "as built" in MW service? Hmmm. Rebuilds with steel sides would, of course, at least LOOK like a different car...regardless of what the IRS might have concluded. My SS does look a bit different...with its sagging roof. My guess is that it was lost swomewhere up on the Siskiyou line...probably on an overgrown siding or perhaps covered with snow or maybe on the line over to the Oregon coast. At any rate, it is rolling again...

Mike Brock


Re: Running crap

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

mike brock wrote:
It has been rebuilt....although with a bit of a sag in the roof. I never did find all of the missing roof supports. This is not bad, however, given that apparently all of the SP USRA SS box cars had been scrapped by 1953...
Not at all, although none of the cars in the original USRA configuration were still in REVENUE service after 1950. Dozens became MW cars during the 1949 rebuilding of 650 (of the original 1000) cars with new steel sides and roofs, and kitbashed ends.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


New A-3 Trucks

brianleppert@att.net
 

Tahoe Model Works' newest HO truck, the plain bearing 70-ton A-3 Ride Control, is now available for sale.

American Steel Foundries' A-3 Ride Control truck was arguably the most successful design ever. Plain bearing versions were manufactured from the mid-1940s to the mid-1960s. The 70-ton trucks featured a 5'-8" wheel base and 6"x11" journals.

Railroads that bought this truck included: AA, ACL, ATSF, B&M, B&O, C&EI, C&O, CofG, CB&Q, CGW, CNJ, CNW, CRR, D&H, D&RGW, DL&W, DT&I, EJ&E, Erie, GM&O, GN, IC, KCS, L&N, LV, Monon, M&StL, MEC, MILW, MKT, MP, N&W, NC&StL, NH, NKP, NP, NYC, P&LE, PFE, PM, PRR, RI, SAL, SL-SF, SOO, SP, SP&S, SSW, T&NO, T&P, UP, Wabash, WM and WP.

Anyone intersted in a flyer for this truck, please contact me OFF-LIST
OFF-LIST OFF-LIST PLEASE at

brianleppert@...

Again OFF-LIST please, just click on the link above and I can e-mail the flyer.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Running crap

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill Schneider says:


"My operating practices are somewhat Neanderthal. We do not use magnets or uncoupling sticks. We... HORRORS!!!.... handle the equipment to uncouple them."

Is it possible that Bill learned such techniques from a layout located about 1700 miles south of him...near the Kennedy Space Center. I mean the term "Neanderthal" got my attention.

"In at least two instances over the years we have had resin cars come off the helix and head for the ground. One was an F&C Lehigh Valley "Wrong way" boxcar that turned itself back into a kit (its now been... re-shopped )."

Hmmm. That doesn't seem particularly unusual. A week ago I noticed a broken coupler lying on the track. Very prototypical actually. In fact you could probably make some good money driving along and collecting such stuff on serious grades like Sand Patch and Old Fort near Asheville, NC. I guess you'd need a good sized truck, however. Anyhow, mine was a bit unusual in that the entire coupler pocket was lying there. Further examination revealed a resin SP USRA SS box car with no coupler box. Noooo problem...except for the minor problem that the car's end was missing as well. Additional study revealed that the car was falling apart. In a matter of minutes I had a flat kit. It has been rebuilt....although with a bit of a sag in the roof. I never did find all of the missing roof supports. This is not bad, however, given that apparently all of the SP USRA SS box cars had been scrapped by 1953...

" Both instances were cause not by guest operator error but by layout owner error."

Layout owner??! You mean the layout owner erred? How unusual.<G>.

Mike Brock


Re: Reboxx wheel sets

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

I've had luck with Reboxx wheels in Kadee trucks after trying out
different axle lengths. (I forget offhand which size worked best.)
For the Kadee trucks I "paint" the inside of the journals with
Neo-Lube and also paint the ends of the axles with it. Although
they don't roll as well as Delrin sideframe trucks, they do roll a
lot better than the factory Kadee metal trucks.

If I remember, the Intermountain axles are around 1.015"

Tim O'Connor

I had confused them with my Intermountain replacements in Kadee metal trucks.
They don't roll for crap.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Reboxx wheel sets

Brian Carlson
 

Clark put the right reboxx wheel in Kadee trucks and they roll  fine. I only use Intermountain wheels for Intermountain trucks, and some TMW trucks.
Brian Carlson

--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Clark and Eileen <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


From: Clark and Eileen <cepropst@q.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Reboxx wheel sets
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 9:44 AM


 



The other day I said that I didn't think the Reboxx wheel sets I'd used in my Kato A-3 trucks rolled any better than the stock sets. I was mistaken. Further review showed that the Reboxx wheels do indeed roll far better than the stock wheels.
I had confused them with my Intermountain replacements in Kadee metal trucks. They don't roll for crap.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Southern Cotton Oil cars

Norm Buckhart
 

thank you all for the help with the SCOX car photos. Norm


Re: ORER help

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2010-10-04, at 6:18 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

I am trying to narrow down when two groups of Fruit Growers Express
steel rebuilds first appeared in the ORER. Here is what I know about
each.

FGEX 10850-10999 appeared by July 1937 and was not in the July 1936
ORER entry. If you have an ORER between these two dates, could you
let me know whether or not this series is present?
This would probably show in the supplements issued every other month between these two dates, which unfortunately I don't have one potential source is the New York City Public Library which has the ORER on microfilm from 1895 to 1960, and having seen these particular supplements a few years ago I can assure you that they have them.

FGEX 52600-52999 appeared by October 1940 but was not present in the
April 1940 edition. If you have access to the July 1940 Edition, can
you tell me if this series is or is not present?
There are three series present in the July 1940 covering this number range:

52000-52679: 180 cars
52680-52779: 100 cars (symbols next to this series denote both increase and reduction)
52780-52999: 1 car


Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net



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Reboxx wheel sets

Clark Propst
 

The other day I said that I didn't think the Reboxx wheel sets I'd used in my Kato A-3 trucks rolled any better than the stock sets. I was mistaken. Further review showed that the Reboxx wheels do indeed roll far better than the stock wheels.
I had confused them with my Intermountain replacements in Kadee metal trucks. They don't roll for crap.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: ORER help

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rich Burg wrote:
As for the need for a July 1940 ORER issue, that issue is part of the Kalmbach Memorial Library collection, and you could probably get the information from them directly. Issues in 1940, and early 1941 seem to be hard to find, at least in my circle of collectors. Al Westerfield has the Jan. 1940 issue . . .
I have the April 1940 issue. But for most things I rely on the CSRM collection, which is largely complete from 1898 into the late 1960s.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ORER help

proto48er
 

Rich -

I have the ORER's for May, 1934, and November, 1935: however, I have not found any issue from 1936 for sale. Also have April, 1940 and April, 1941 issues.

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., cinderandeight@... wrote:

Bill,
First off, there were no ORER issues between July 1936, and July 1937.
The ORER went to yearly July publication due to the depression in July
1932 after being published monthly before that date. The publication went to
quarterly starting with the July 1937 issue. There were small monthly
updates published in the interim. Somewhere in my seemingly endless files I
have some of them, but after a move I can't seem to locate them. I'll renew
my efforts to find them and report to you if I have one that has your
needs.
As for the need for a July 1940 ORER issue, that issue is part of the
Kalmbach Memorial Library collection, and you could probably get the
information from them directly. Issues in 1940, and early 1941 seem to be hard
to find, at least in my circle of collectors. Al Westerfield has the Jan.
1940 issue, and the KML issue is the only other one I know about personally.
Anyone out there with more? Trading some sections would be welcome.
Rich Burg




Re: ORER help

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Richard

For now it sounds like my july 1937 entry is the authority for one question and I will write KML about the second.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., cinderandeight@... wrote:

Bill,
First off, there were no ORER issues between July 1936, and July 1937.
The ORER went to yearly July publication due to the depression in July
1932 after being published monthly before that date. The publication went to
quarterly starting with the July 1937 issue. There were small monthly
updates published in the interim. Somewhere in my seemingly endless files I
have some of them, but after a move I can't seem to locate them. I'll renew
my efforts to find them and report to you if I have one that has your
needs.
As for the need for a July 1940 ORER issue, that issue is part of the
Kalmbach Memorial Library collection, and you could probably get the
information from them directly. Issues in 1940, and early 1941 seem to be hard
to find, at least in my circle of collectors. Al Westerfield has the Jan.
1940 issue, and the KML issue is the only other one I know about personally.
Anyone out there with more? Trading some sections would be welcome.
Rich Burg


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Re: cotton seed oil (was Tank Cars to Transport Molasses)

switchengines <jrs060@...>
 

Thank You Al and Cyril for the interesting information on the cars of Southern
Cotton Oil cars, now Norm will have some resources to dig into for help. Cyril
if they purchased cars in small lots new, as you say, that would explain why
there is such a hodgepodge in the ORER, they probable purchased what was
the current production model of the builder they got the cars from. Al, if you
say the Culotta FCRM 2 has a photo of a type 30 GATC car this should give
some insight into the later lettering scheme they used, as well as having the
early lettering from the builders photos.

Happiness, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois

--- In STMFC@..., Cyril and Lynn Durrenberger <durrecj@...> wrote:

Southern Cotton Oil actually purchased most of their cars new, but in small lots.  They had cars listed as being in service from before 1900.  See the July 1998 issue of Mainline Modeler for some photos.  In the early years they had some very interesting lettering schemes.

Another company that had a fleet of tank cars was American Cotton Oil.  I am not sure how long Southern Cotton Oil or American Cotton Oil owned their fleets of cars.  The 1950's is beyond the time of main interest to me so I have never investigated this.  Look at the ORERs.

I can provide names of some companies that shipped cotton seed oil prior to 1912 if someone is interested.  But read the referenced article first.  That will most likely provide all of the detail you need. 

Cyril Durrenberger


Re: Running crap

Bill Schneider
 

As another owner of an operating layout with a mixture of rolling stock types, I can honestly say that the LEAST damaged group of equipment on my layout are resin cars. This is followed by the remaining cast-on detail cars, and bringing up last place (most damaged) are the detailed plastic cars of which I am... err.... somewhat familiar.



My operating practices are somewhat Neanderthal. We do not use magnets or uncoupling sticks. We... HORRORS!!!.... handle the equipment to uncouple them. The biggest casualties are stirrup steps and brake wheels (why?) on plastic cars. The A-Line type steps on the resin cars are pretty much the last thing to break off.



In at least two instances over the years we have had resin cars come off the helix and head for the ground. One was an F&C Lehigh Valley "Wrong way" boxcar that turned itself back into a kit (its now been... re-shopped ). The other was one of Ted's " Essential Freight Cars" that is on loan that was (fortunately) caught by the operator (me) who was sitting in the  middle of the helix before it hit anything hard (Ted - you've off line, right... ?). Both instances were cause not by guest operator error but by layout owner error.



You just can't get good help....



Bill Schneider

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" < timboconnor @comcast.net>
To: STMFC @ yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2010 4:16:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ STMFC ] Running crap

 





I haven't had problems with cut levers made from wire. Air hoses
are no longer a problem with Hi-Tech rubber hoses!

What I see get broken a LOT are sill steps, ladders, brake wheels.
And handrails on tank cars. To say nothing of scuffing of paint
and lettering. :-(

And don't let anyone at the club near your car with the "coupler
height adjustment pliers". Standard treatment of a low coupler is
to bend the trip pin upwards towards the sky.

Tim O'Connor

I greatly agree with Clark Propst about near-coupler details, air
hoses and cut levers. They just seem to fly off the models on an
operating layout.
Tony Thompson



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Re: cotton seed oil (was Tank Cars to Transport Molasses)

al_brown03
 

There's a photo of SCOX 775, an 8000-gallon GATC Type 30, in Culotta, FCRM 2, p65.

Southern Cotton Oil 28, 164, and 275, all 6000-gallon cars, are shown in MM 7/98, p 77.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "switchengines" <jrs060@...> wrote:

Norm, I would love to help you with a photo, but I can not. In all my years
of tracking down interesting photos of freight equipment I have never run
across a picture of any of the SCOX cars. What we can probably surmise
from the ORER listings is that they appear to be yet another car fleet
operator that purchased most of their cars on the used market. The listing
only gives us rated general gallonage capacities for the cars (not actual
gallonages), and is a hodgepodge of different weight capacities (axel
ratings), so it's not of too much help. Even if you did get lucky and find a
photo of a car it is not going to tell you much about what the total fleet
looked like as it's probably made up of many different car builders tank
car types.

Yet another tank car fleet mystery, Happiness, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois


--- In STMFC@..., Norm Buckhart <norm@> wrote:

Jerry - would you know of any photo sources for the SCOX tank cars?
Norm Buckhart

On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:08 PM, switchengines wrote:

Tim, let me add something to this reposted messages. Richard has
forgot
the largest of the cotton oil tank car owners, Sco Tank Line
(Southern Cotton
Oil Company) of New Orleans, Louisiana, SCOX. They rostered 386 tank
cars
in cotton oil service in the January 1945 ORER.

Happiness, Jerry Stewart

It's Autumn in Woodstock, Illinois


Re: cotton seed oil (was Tank Cars to Transport Molasses)

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Southern Cotton Oil actually purchased most of their cars new, but in small lots.  They had cars listed as being in service from before 1900.  See the July 1998 issue of Mainline Modeler for some photos.  In the early years they had some very interesting lettering schemes.

Another company that had a fleet of tank cars was American Cotton Oil.  I am not sure how long Southern Cotton Oil or American Cotton Oil owned their fleets of cars.  The 1950's is beyond the time of main interest to me so I have never investigated this.  Look at the ORERs.

I can provide names of some companies that shipped cotton seed oil prior to 1912 if someone is interested.  But read the referenced article first.  That will most likely provide all of the detail you need. 

Cyril Durrenberger

--- On Mon, 10/4/10, switchengines <jrs060@...> wrote:

From: switchengines <jrs060@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: cotton seed oil (was Tank Cars to Transport Molasses)
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 11:47 AM







 









Norm, I would love to help you with a photo, but I can not. In all my years

of tracking down interesting photos of freight equipment I have never run

across a picture of any of the SCOX cars. What we can probably surmise

from the ORER listings is that they appear to be yet another car fleet

operator that purchased most of their cars on the used market. The listing

only gives us rated general gallonage capacities for the cars (not actual

gallonages), and is a hodgepodge of different weight capacities (axel

ratings), so it's not of too much help. Even if you did get lucky and find a

photo of a car it is not going to tell you much about what the total fleet

looked like as it's probably made up of many different car builders tank

car types.



Yet another tank car fleet mystery, Happiness, Jerry Stewart



Woodstock, Illinois





--- In STMFC@..., Norm Buckhart <norm@...> wrote:

Jerry - would you know of any photo sources for the SCOX tank cars?
Norm Buckhart
On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:08 PM, switchengines wrote:
Tim, let me add something to this reposted messages. Richard has
forgot
the largest of the cotton oil tank car owners, Sco Tank Line
(Southern Cotton
Oil Company) of New Orleans, Louisiana, SCOX. They rostered 386 tank
cars
in cotton oil service in the January 1945 ORER.
Happiness, Jerry Stewart
It's Autumn in Woodstock, Illinois


ORER help

Bill Welch
 

I am trying to narrow down when two groups of Fruit Growers Express
steel rebuilds first appeared in the ORER. Here is what I know about
each.

FGEX 10850-10999 appeared by July 1937 and was not in the July 1936
ORER entry. If you have an ORER between these two dates, could you
let me know whether or not this series is present?

FGEX 52600-52999 appeared by October 1940 but was not present in the
April 1940 edition. If you have access to the July 1940 Edition, can
you tell me if this series is or is not present?

I think this is a narrow enough question to request offline responses
if you can help.

Thanks for listening!

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Railshop H30 covered hoppers?

Bill Welch
 

This is an amazing review Denny. With two of the upgraded F&C kits, PRR & N&W, I will probably not build one but I do like this engineering and design approach to a kit. I would love an offset twin hopper using this approach.

Regarding the sill steps, I think I would use a length of something like 0.30 x 0.30 styrene as an attachment for the very fine Detail Associates steps that match the kit's. I would drill the styrene first and then insert the steps. The step then become a handle to help secure this assembly to the inside of the sill with ACC. (This is where a picture would rally help.) I might also us some Testors to give tack to the styrene, position it and then wick in ACC. Admittedly the styrene strip would compromise the delicate look of the area of attachment. I think i would also soak the photo etched parts in vinegar to etch them, which I think would give a stronger bond between the styrene and brass.

I think the date you give for the N&W build date is a typo.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:

Has anyone built this kit ? How did it go for you. Are there any tips you can give ?
See Message #93398, It may help you.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento





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