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ADMIN: Overpriced models on eBay -- topic closed

Aley, Jeff A
 

First: it is time to stop discussing the $207 Sunshine kit that recently sold on eBay. The topic is closed.

Second: on STMFC, it is forbidden to criticize other members. This includes comments like, "This topic is like a gossip group that
has nothing else to do. Build a model!" as well as comments like, "How about you go build a model instead of replying to my posts." Any further on-list retorts will result in that individual being Moderated.

Third: It is the EXCLUSIVE right of the moderators to police the group and declare a discussion off-topic. If you feel something has gone on too long, and a moderator has not yet taken action, feel free to email us at stmfc-owner@...<mailto:stmfc-owner@...>

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC


Re: what am I missing here?? (I like this part)

John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
 

I fail to see how what I said in my post gives you the impression that I don't build models...

How about you go build a model instead of replying to my posts...?

Thank you.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

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From: Jan Podganski Jr
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 06:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: what am I missing here?? (I like this part)


With all due respect to my fellow modelers, what does this person paying that
much for a model have to doe with STMFC? This topic is like a gossip group that
has nothing else to do. Buil a model! Jan


Re: what am I missing here??/$4 economy shipping

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Tim,
 
Economy shipping comes with a roll of tissue to remind you where your money went !
 
Fred Freitas
still laughing at this one

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From: ed_mines <ed_mines@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: what am I missing here??/$4 economy shipping
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 3:14 PM


 





--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
$207.75 for a Sunshine kit that is still in production??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390245896528
Anyone know what the $4 economy shipping is?








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Re: what am I missing here?? (I like this part)

Jan Podganski Jr <needles_sub@...>
 

With all due respect to my fellow modelers, what does this person paying that
much for a model have to doe with STMFC?  This topic is like a gossip group that
has nothing else to do. Buil a model!   Jan





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From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 2:34:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: what am I missing here?? (I like this part)

 
I like the part of the ad for this model that says :

"We do not profit from shipping and will refund overage"

They should have also said :

"... We just profit BIG TIME from people who are FAR too determined to win a
bidding war!"

I'd have waved the shipping charge all together if this had been my auction...
just out of the goodness of my heart! (if there is any)

LOL!!!

John Degnan
Scaler164@...

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Re: what am I missing here?? (I like this part)

Jan Podganski Jr <needles_sub@...>
 

With all due respect to my fellow modelers, what does this person paying that
amount have to do with steam era freight cars?  This like a gossip group
that has nothing better to do!  Do some modeling!



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From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 2:34:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: what am I missing here?? (I like this part)

 
I like the part of the ad for this model that says :

"We do not profit from shipping and will refund overage"

They should have also said :

"... We just profit BIG TIME from people who are FAR too determined to win a
bidding war!"

I'd have waved the shipping charge all together if this had been my auction...
just out of the goodness of my heart! (if there is any)

LOL!!!

John Degnan
Scaler164@...

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Railroad History

Andy Carlson
 

An absolute favorite of mine is the Pacific Coast Railway by Ken Westcott and
Kurt Johnson. A perfect book for someone wishing to model a specific railroad,
maps, drawings, plans, rosters and a lot more. Makes you want to model CA 3'
narrow gauge

Another great book I don't know the title, but it is about one UP railroad town
in Marysville (I believe) Kansas with every railroad structure mapped and plans
drawn to scale. Many of the facing commercial street's buildings are included as
scale plans. Author is Ron Sleeter, a sometimes contributor to Naperville. Check
out his HO scale grain elevator, no "selective compression".
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: what am I missing here?? (I like this part)

John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
 

I like the part of the ad for this model that says :

"We do not profit from shipping and will refund overage"

They should have also said :

"... We just profit BIG TIME from people who are FAR too determined to win a bidding war!"

I'd have waved the shipping charge all together if this had been my auction... just out of the goodness of my heart! (if there is any)

LOL!!!


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


Re: Railroad History

Charlie Vlk
 

One of the top books on my list is David Leider's "The Wisconsin Central in Illinois". It is mostly pre-1900 in scope.

Even if you are not a Soo Line fan, it covers a huge amount of Chicago railroad history beyond the primary subject of the WC and C&NP. The book covers the financial,
political, business, economic, geographic, engineering, and social aspects of the building of the WC into Chicago and has great documentation from primary sources,
newspaper and trade journals of the time, and a nice range of photos, maps and other illustrations to support the text.

Charlie Vlk

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From: richtownsend@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Railroad History



A discussion on another list got me thinking. What are the best steam era railroad history books? Having just picked up the new edition of the Raton Pass book I think that is one of the best I have seen. Lots of steam era freight cars, and good, well-written history.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Railroad History

Tim O'Connor
 

Try "Decade of the Trains the 1940s" -- photography by Don Ball Jr,
text by E. M. Frimbo (Rogers Whitaker).

Tim O'Connor

A discussion on another list got me thinking. What are the best steam era railroad history books? Having just picked up the new edition of the Raton Pass book I think that is one of the best I have seen. Lots of steam era freight cars, and good, well-written history.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Railroad History

Richard Townsend
 

A discussion on another list got me thinking. What are the best steam era railroad history books? Having just picked up the new edition of the Raton Pass book I think that is one of the best I have seen. Lots of steam era freight cars, and good, well-written history.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: what am I missing here??/$4 economy shipping

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
$207.75 for a Sunshine kit that is still in production??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390245896528

Anyone know what the $4 economy shipping is?


Re: trains canada rebuild nsc

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Mark--

This car could have had a lot finer detail. I find the rivets especially oversize.
But C-D-S set HO-1 will letter this car nicely and accurately as built in 1956/57--

http://www.canadasouthern.com/tmr/images/cds-1.jpg

Use ModelFlex Light Tuscan Oxide or Scalecoat Oxide Red for a car that will be seen under layout lighting, or Scalecoat CN #11 Red for an accurate CN car colour as built. True Line Trains also offers a CN Red # 11.

Hope that this helps,

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark M" <bnonut@...> wrote:

car # 1-2995

National Steel Car 40' Boxcar w/8' door, NSC-3 ends,NSC roof.

Suggestions on decals? Bought this on ebay and was surprised at the lack of detail for price. Appears to have possibilities.

Any ideas and thanks in advance.

Mark Morgan


Running crap was : Re: Accurail single-sheathed box cars and SL-SF single-sheathed box cars.

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:
<snip>
IMO while Gene is waiting for 'floor money' he should be building all the kits his accomulated over the years and not worrying about any other freight cars until his layout is running.
Clark Propst
Clark,
When you're right, you're right! The rest of my response will go only to Clark.

After reading a number of posts subsequent to Clark's, perhaps I have been overly concerned about damage to freight cars.

Gene Green


Re: rock island wreck photo

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy is right that all the SP cars with wide seams were built in
1946. This included all of the B-50-24/BE-50-24 class (500 cars)
and many cars of the B-50-25 class (1,100 cars which includes
350 cars for T&NO).

The doors on the SP 10'0" cars have 5/5/5 patterns while the 5/6/5
pattern is found on 10'6" cars.

Tim O'Connor

At 10/7/2010 11:13 PM Thursday, you wrote:
These are only from my observations, and I can be accused of making blanket
statements from time-to-time..........

The interim improved Youngstown doors were around a very short time. The most
famous, the SP "Overnight" cars, and the Santa Fe cars were built very close
together. When Youngstown brought out their "Improved Youngstown Steel Door",
The first examples were of the 6/6/5 "Upside-down" count, a feature that also
seemed to only last less than a year, though with quite a few users. I have seen
no other examples of the 10-0 IH Interim IYD, only for SP. The 5/6/5 Interim IYD
door was used by the Santa Fe (Bx-44), and now, I see, the Rock Island. All were
pre-1947.

Doors can be an important feature on identifying eras, look at the panel counts
and spacing for the Superior doors, very year specific.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
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From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 7:53:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: rock island wreck photo


Interesting comments about the boxcars and the door on the near car. I take it
Andy that when you say that the door dates the construction to 1946, that means
1946 or later? Or were those doors in production so briefly that they were only
used on cars delivered in 1946?


Re: rock island wreck photo

Andy Carlson
 

These are only from my observations, and I can be accused of making blanket
statements from time-to-time..........

The interim improved Youngstown doors were around a very short time. The most
famous, the SP "Overnight" cars, and the Santa Fe cars were built very close
together. When Youngstown brought out their "Improved Youngstown Steel Door",
The first examples were of the 6/6/5 "Upside-down" count, a feature that also
seemed to only last less than a year, though with quite a few users. I have seen
no other examples of the 10-0 IH Interim IYD, only for SP. The 5/6/5 Interim IYD
door was used by the Santa Fe (Bx-44), and now, I see, the Rock Island. All were
pre-1947.

Doors can be an important feature on identifying eras, look at the panel counts
and spacing for the Superior doors, very year specific.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





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From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 7:53:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: rock island wreck photo


Interesting comments about the boxcars and the door on the near car. I take it
Andy that when you say that the door dates the construction to 1946, that means
1946 or later? Or were those doors in production so briefly that they were only
used on cars delivered in 1946?


Meanwhile, too bad the tank car isn't more identifiable?

Rob Kirkham

Just noticed an interesting photo on e-bay this evening - it shows a train
wreck with a Rock Island boxcar and an insulated tank car - in colour. Curios
to know if these cars can be identified more specifically (car numbers aren't
visible on the boxcar; sort of visible on the tank).
http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Slides-Rock-Island-Wrecked-Box-Car-4-58-/280569580698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4153400c9a
Its auction number 280569580698.





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Re: rock island wreck photo

Robert kirkham
 

Interesting comments about the boxcars and the door on the near car. I take it Andy that when you say that the door dates the construction to 1946, that means 1946 or later? Or were those doors in production so briefly that they were only used on cars delivered in 1946?

Meanwhile, too bad the tank car isn't more identifiable?

Rob Kirkham

Just noticed an interesting photo on e-bay this evening - it shows a train wreck with a Rock Island boxcar and an insulated tank car - in colour. Curios to know if these cars can be identified more specifically (car numbers aren't visible on the boxcar; sort of visible on the tank).
http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Slides-Rock-Island-Wrecked-Box-Car-4-58-/280569580698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4153400c9a Its auction number 280569580698.


Re: rock island wreck photo

Bill Vaughn
 

No just some heat and a sledge hammer.
Bill Vaughn

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: rock island wreck photo
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 8:50 PM
















 









Ugh. That stirrup step is definitely gonna need replacement. ;)



Mike Fortney



--- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Just noticed an interesting photo on e-bay this evening - it shows a train wreck with a Rock Island boxcar and an insulated tank car - in colour. Curios to know if these cars can be identified more specifically (car numbers aren't visible on the boxcar; sort of visible on the tank).
http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Slides-Rock-Island-Wrecked-Box-Car-4-58-/280569580698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4153400c9a Its auction number 280569580698.
Not my auction - just interested.
Rob Kirkham





























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Re: what am I missing here??

Clark Cooper
 

The sad part is that it'll probably go on the shelf next to the Fine Scale Miniatures kits and never get built.

-Clark Cooper

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

$207.75 for a Sunshine kit that is still in production??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390245896528

Tim O'Connor


Re: what am I missing here??

Tim O'Connor
 

Freight car related: I remember when (name hidden) was bidding on a
huge 1960's B&W photo collection of freight cars around the Chicago
area. He would just plant a high proxy bid on about 90% of the images.
If it was something I wished I could afford, I'd put in a bid that I
learned was less than his max bid (which I never learned) -- I know
it was spiteful, but I hate it sometimes when someone is using their
abundant funds to grab up everything even though I can't imagine he
needed so many of those images (thousands of them). Sometimes I bid
on stuff I didn't care about, if no one else besides () was bidding.
All of the images were 35mm negatives.

Tim O'Connor

Maybe several bidders had a large proxy bid in an effort to win. Then
the bids got high enough for the max bids to kick in?
One did. He got pushed up by a bidder who came in in the last hour and placed a
series of ever-increasing bids before giving up. Who knows what the winner's upper
limit was. It does seem questionable, even if he has the resources.

In the early days of eBay I won a few HO pieces from a Lionel collector in
Thousand Oaks. He told me that when he saw a Lionel item he wanted, regardless
of value, he placed a $1000 proxy bid. Claimed that was a cost-effective tactic -
you might pay too much for a few items, but once the other bidders learn you
won't be outbid, they stop competing with you and you get things for a lot less.
But with eBay bidders having their identities concealed these days, it seems a
foolish tactic.

Tom Madden, who didn't bid on that item.


Re: what am I missing here??

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 


Maybe several bidders had a large proxy bid in an effort to win. Then the bids got high enough for the max bids to kick in?
One did. He got pushed up by a bidder who came in in the last hour and placed a series of ever-increasing bids before giving up. Who knows what the winner's upper limit was. It does seem questionable, even if he has the resources.

In the early days of eBay I won a few HO pieces from a Lionel collector in Thousand Oaks. He told me that when he saw a Lionel item he wanted, regardless of value, he placed a $1000 proxy bid. Claimed that was a cost-effective tactic - you might pay too much for a few items, but once the other bidders learn you won't be outbid, they stop competing with you and you get things for a lot less. But with eBay bidders having their identities concealed these days, it seems a foolish tactic.

Tom Madden, who didn't bid on that item.

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