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Re: PRR freight cars

tmolsen@...
 

Tim,

The Accurail model represents an H31B with the wood side sheathing and were in PRR number series 220842 to 221341. The H31B's had the side sheathing replaced with steel side sheets being reclassed to H31C and retaining the same numbers. Of course the cubic footage increased with the rebuilding along with changes in load limits and light weights. If you do the H31C, it is best to work from a photo due to the numbers being the same.

The April 1953 ORER listed the classes as follows:

H31 - 2 Pocket Steel Hopper #Series 220301-221341, 31'6 IL., 533 cars.

H31 - 2 Pocket Steel Hopper #222501-222679, also 31'6" IL, 170 cars.

H31A - 2 Pocket Composite Steel Frame, 1 Car #249990, 31'1"
IL.

H31B - 2 Pocket Composite Steel Frame, #Series 220842- 221341, 31'1" IL, 266 cars.

H31C - 2 Pocket Steel Hopper, Retaining the steel frame with steel side sheets, #series 220842-221341, 31'6" IL. Note "O0" pertaining to this class states:

Individual numbers of carfs in series 220842-221341 differing in dimensionsand capacity from other cars in same series; inside length 31 ft. 6 in., inside width 9'9"., capacity 1854 cu. ft., 111,000 pounds.

The balance of this entry gives the car numbers that had been converted to H31C. This appears on page 98, top left corner of the page.

Overland imported brass models of the H31C back in the early 1990s. I have one.

The photo shows an in service H31C class twin hopper after rebuilding with steel side sheets. The slide description uses the car number which is actually that of the TM8 class tank car coupled behind the hopper. The TM8 number (498651) is a company service number.

I am sure that Ben Hom will add to this with further information.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


PRR freight cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Not a "steam era" photo but definitely steam era PRR freight cars.
Doesn't Accurail make a model of this hopper car? Any idea what number
it might have?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Duplicate-Slide-FRT-PRR-2-Pocket-Hopper-498651-/400162546270

Tim O'Connor


Re: NYC 324000 & 751000-999 series gons

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for bringing that to my attention Al. It is helpful, and Ted's modelling of the brake gear will serve if an AB brake is used.

Not being a student of the NYC, I don't have much info to go on regarding the other questions.

Here is one more - a fair amount has changed in the world of trucks since Ted's article. What would be the best choice for those cast frame trucks with three side by side coil springs today? The Kadee Barber� S-2-B 70-Ton trucks look reasonably close to my eye.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "al_brown03" <abrown@...>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 2:42 PM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC 324000 & 751000-999 series gons

Ted Culotta discusses this kit in RMC 11/05, pp 95-102. The article includes an in-service photo of NYC 751478.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I'm working on Sunshine kit 67.1, and do not find brake diagrams in the
instructions.

If I am reading the instructions correctly, the 324000 series cars were
built in 1929. the one included photo shows 324099. It is equipped with
with K brakes. When constructed, cars 324000 - 324299 and 324600-324999
were equipped with vertical brake staffs. Cars 324300 - 324599 had powered
Ajax hand brakes (but also had K brakes????). Half of the 1000 cars in the
324000 series were equipped with wood floors; the other half with steel. It
is not clear to me which cars had wood floors and which had steel?

These cars were refurbished in early 1940s, with 534 rebuilt using wood
floors by Jan. 1944. They were re-numbered in the 751000-999 series. I am
not clear what happened to the remainder of the cars in the original number
series?

So if I am wanting to build an accurate model of one of these cars from the
Sunshine kit, a few questions:
1) does anyone know of sources for additional photos of these cars (in
either series)?
2) for 1946 (my model era) were there any cars remaining in the original
number series with wood floors?
3) would all (or close enough to "all" such that the few exceptions don't
count for modelling purposes) of these cars (in either series) have been
modernized to AB brakes (which the kit is equipped with)? Or might a
significant portion of either of the series remain as K brakes?
3) anyone have an idea of the layout of the brakes as K brakes? As AB
brakes? I notice the kit modelling photos are for shorter cars, so the
placement of the AB parts is unclear (the photo of 324099 is at an angle
which challenges my ability to judge the location).

I'm not clear on what else may have changed when the 324000 series cars were
re-furbished into the 751000 series - which may make questions about using
this 751000 series kit to model a late 324000 series car much pointless. In
that case I'll stick to modelling a 751000 series car, but could still use
somewhat more detailed info to model a wood floor car and get the brake rig
correct.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Rob Kirkham


Grain cars

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Ever wonder what goes on, on that siding you added for
the grain elevator kit you built?

Here is a link to a great short film on a typical day in a life of a
grain elevator. Lots of good detail, including coopering a
grain door, moving a boxcar by hand, and how they were filled. While
shot in 1981, it shows how boxcars were filled with grain.

http://www.nfb.ca/film/grain_elevator/

Enjoy

Ed Ursem


Re: NYC 324000 & 751000-999 series gons

al_brown03
 

Ted Culotta discusses this kit in RMC 11/05, pp 95-102. The article includes an in-service photo of NYC 751478.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I'm working on Sunshine kit 67.1, and do not find brake diagrams in the
instructions.

If I am reading the instructions correctly, the 324000 series cars were
built in 1929. the one included photo shows 324099. It is equipped with
with K brakes. When constructed, cars 324000 - 324299 and 324600-324999
were equipped with vertical brake staffs. Cars 324300 - 324599 had powered
Ajax hand brakes (but also had K brakes????). Half of the 1000 cars in the
324000 series were equipped with wood floors; the other half with steel. It
is not clear to me which cars had wood floors and which had steel?

These cars were refurbished in early 1940s, with 534 rebuilt using wood
floors by Jan. 1944. They were re-numbered in the 751000-999 series. I am
not clear what happened to the remainder of the cars in the original number
series?

So if I am wanting to build an accurate model of one of these cars from the
Sunshine kit, a few questions:
1) does anyone know of sources for additional photos of these cars (in
either series)?
2) for 1946 (my model era) were there any cars remaining in the original
number series with wood floors?
3) would all (or close enough to "all" such that the few exceptions don't
count for modelling purposes) of these cars (in either series) have been
modernized to AB brakes (which the kit is equipped with)? Or might a
significant portion of either of the series remain as K brakes?
3) anyone have an idea of the layout of the brakes as K brakes? As AB
brakes? I notice the kit modelling photos are for shorter cars, so the
placement of the AB parts is unclear (the photo of 324099 is at an angle
which challenges my ability to judge the location).

I'm not clear on what else may have changed when the 324000 series cars were
re-furbished into the 751000 series - which may make questions about using
this 751000 series kit to model a late 324000 series car much pointless. In
that case I'll stick to modelling a 751000 series car, but could still use
somewhat more detailed info to model a wood floor car and get the brake rig
correct.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Rob Kirkham


NYC 324000 & 751000-999 series gons

Robert kirkham
 

I'm working on Sunshine kit 67.1, and do not find brake diagrams in the instructions.

If I am reading the instructions correctly, the 324000 series cars were built in 1929. the one included photo shows 324099. It is equipped with with K brakes. When constructed, cars 324000 - 324299 and 324600-324999 were equipped with vertical brake staffs. Cars 324300 - 324599 had powered Ajax hand brakes (but also had K brakes????). Half of the 1000 cars in the 324000 series were equipped with wood floors; the other half with steel. It is not clear to me which cars had wood floors and which had steel?

These cars were refurbished in early 1940s, with 534 rebuilt using wood floors by Jan. 1944. They were re-numbered in the 751000-999 series. I am not clear what happened to the remainder of the cars in the original number series?

So if I am wanting to build an accurate model of one of these cars from the Sunshine kit, a few questions:
1) does anyone know of sources for additional photos of these cars (in either series)?
2) for 1946 (my model era) were there any cars remaining in the original number series with wood floors?
3) would all (or close enough to "all" such that the few exceptions don't count for modelling purposes) of these cars (in either series) have been modernized to AB brakes (which the kit is equipped with)? Or might a significant portion of either of the series remain as K brakes?
3) anyone have an idea of the layout of the brakes as K brakes? As AB brakes? I notice the kit modelling photos are for shorter cars, so the placement of the AB parts is unclear (the photo of 324099 is at an angle which challenges my ability to judge the location).

I'm not clear on what else may have changed when the 324000 series cars were re-furbished into the 751000 series - which may make questions about using this 751000 series kit to model a late 324000 series car much pointless. In that case I'll stick to modelling a 751000 series car, but could still use somewhat more detailed info to model a wood floor car and get the brake rig correct.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Rob Kirkham


Kadees question

Tim O'Connor
 

I have noticed in some model photos that the "trip pin" has been
nipped just a tad shorter. Does this affect its ability to uncouple
over magnets? How short can it be trimmed back before it no longer
works with a between-the-rails track magnet?

Please, no advice on just using skewers or picks to separate cars.
Not an option in this case. :-)

Tim O'Connor


Iwata Airbrushes on Scottymason.com

Scott <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

A quick update for ya...

I just finished shooting a new DVD, "Airbrushing Techniques for Model Railroaders", This one-hour DVD will cover all the basic techniques you'll need to gain proficiency with an airbrush. I also show you some neat and quick ways to clean an airbrush. The DVD should be out in mid-November.

Also, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new line of Iwata airbrushes and accessories. If you're not familiar with Iwata, check out the website. These are simply, the finest airbrushes made, and I highly recommend them. All Iwata products on my page are in-stock and ready to ship. If you are looking for an Iwata product that isn't on my site, just e-mail me, and I can get you a price.

Thanks,

Scott
www.scottymason.com


Re: vintage tank car model

Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...>
 

Tim
That looks like an old International Models thak car.  Some of the first
imports.  I had one well I still the body the frame and trucks were zamic and
fell apart.  I think they were sold by a Hooby Shops in Philly.  Long time ago. 
I work for Blums Hobbie House in Cleveland in the late 50's and they were old
then,
Don Ford
Kanab UT




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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 12:11:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] vintage tank car model

 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brass-HO-Single-Dome-Tank-Car-Engine-Petroleum-Old-/280571448035


Anyone recognize the maker of this tank car model? I've never seen this
model before.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Railroad History

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I find Ralph Fisher's book an enjoyable read as well. His experiences braking on the Boston and Maine were similar to those who worked on other carriers across the US and Canada. I recognise many similarities in this book with even my experiences working at CN in the running trades, and what I've learnt from my predecessors on the railway. Alas, how so much has changed in the rail industry since the timeframe of his book!! No more plain bearings, train order operation, cabeese, etc...

For non-railroaders interested in taking the next step, and operating trains filled out with their model STMFC's, this is an essential and educational read.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

What is a "great rail history book" depends on what you are
looking for. Lots of outstanding books exist on specific railroads.
Relatively few have been done on the entire railroad industry, and
rightly so, as any such work necessarily is "once over lightly" on
specifics. My personal favorites are books giving the FLAVOR of
railroading and railroad work in the era I model, and in that area, I
always mention Ralph Fisher's _Vanishing Markers_ even though it's
about the B&M, a railroad far from my areas of interest, and in
particular his Chapter 8, "Night Freight," which is as fine an account
of a freight run as I know.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


SAL ventilator photos 79113 & 89206 source

Bill Welch
 

In the April 2006 issue of Mainline Modeler on pages 38 and 39 there
are uncredited photos of Seaboard Airline ventilated boxcars 79113 &
89206. I am wondering if anyone on this list knows the source of
these photos?

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: vintage tank car model

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 10/10/2010 11:11 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brass-HO-Single-Dome-Tank-Car-Engine-Petroleum-Old-/280571448035

Anyone recognize the maker of this tank car model? I've never seen this
model before.

Tim O'Connor

I'm going to take a SWAG and say Mantua or Varney. In the very early days they both used brass like this.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


vintage tank car model

Tim O'Connor
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Brass-HO-Single-Dome-Tank-Car-Engine-Petroleum-Old-/280571448035

Anyone recognize the maker of this tank car model? I've never seen this
model before.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Railroad History

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Tony writes-

My personal favorites are books giving the FLAVOR of railroading
and railroad work in the era I model, and in that area, I
always mention Ralph Fisher's _Vanishing Markers_....

Tony, I always knew that you had good taste.

Fisher's VANISHING MARKERS is also a great favorite of mine, and I
have read and re-read this stellar book a number of times over the
years for just simple enjoyment. Most notably, I took this book on
a visit to Rangiroa Atoll in the French S. Pacific in 1981, where it
served admirably as a delightful beach-read in the shade of the
coconut palms.

Denny

Sacramento


Re: Railroad History

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

Good call, Tony. I have stated for years that if one could have only two books to really get an idea of what New England railroading
was all about in the 1945 to 1955-60 period they would be Fisher's
"Vanishing Markers" and Pavlucik's "The New Haven R.R., A Fond Look Back". Between the two one really gets a good overview of the entire region.

My best, Don Valentine

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

What is a "great rail history book" depends on what you are
looking for. Lots of outstanding books exist on specific railroads.
Relatively few have been done on the entire railroad industry, and
rightly so, as any such work necessarily is "once over lightly" on
specifics. My personal favorites are books giving the FLAVOR of
railroading and railroad work in the era I model, and in that area, I
always mention Ralph Fisher's _Vanishing Markers_ even though it's
about the B&M, a railroad far from my areas of interest, and in
particular his Chapter 8, "Night Freight," which is as fine an account
of a freight run as I know.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


(No subject)

John Drye2
 

http://yoursoulmate.zxq.net/to.php Best regards, jdrye52@...


Re: Railroad History

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

I'm with you on that one, Tony. Although it is my area of interest, that book has been read cover to cover more than any other reference on the B&M in my library, and I have quite a few. Chapter 8 takes a night freight right through my neighborhood! Several, as a matter of fact.
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Railroad History


What is a "great rail history book" depends on what you are
looking for. Lots of outstanding books exist on specific railroads.
Relatively few have been done on the entire railroad industry, and
rightly so, as any such work necessarily is "once over lightly" on
specifics. My personal favorites are books giving the FLAVOR of
railroading and railroad work in the era I model, and in that area, I
always mention Ralph Fisher's _Vanishing Markers_ even though it's
about the B&M, a railroad far from my areas of interest, and in
particular his Chapter 8, "Night Freight," which is as fine an account
of a freight run as I know.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



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favorite railroad book

ed_mines
 

My favorite railroad book far and away is the Cullotta-Kline NMRA freight car book.


Re: Railroad History

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

What is a "great rail history book" depends on what you are looking for. Lots of outstanding books exist on specific railroads. Relatively few have been done on the entire railroad industry, and rightly so, as any such work necessarily is "once over lightly" on specifics. My personal favorites are books giving the FLAVOR of railroading and railroad work in the era I model, and in that area, I always mention Ralph Fisher's _Vanishing Markers_ even though it's about the B&M, a railroad far from my areas of interest, and in particular his Chapter 8, "Night Freight," which is as fine an account of a freight run as I know.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Railroad History

asychis@...
 

My absolute favorite, and I think the gold standard is The Nickel Plate
Story by John Rehor. The books on the Interstate Railroad are also very well
done.

Jerry Michels

99821 - 99840 of 193499