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Re: Intermountain 8K Tank Car - Accuracy?

Bill Welch
 

I routinely replace the sill steps w/A-Line and the handrails with brass wire and steel tubing to join the wire and PSC handrail stanchions. Harvested rivets along the sill and other details for the sill were easy, with the brake system getting the routine makeover. Think these make nice models, the 2 or 3 I have done.

IM could have doe a much better job on the u/f.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

John,

In general, these are pretty nice models and fit right into the steam
era fleet. Details aren't quite as nice as P2K. Remember too when
considering your fleet, that these type 27 cars were much less
numerous than the type 21 cars

A few complaints:

1) The side sills are molded as flat when they should be an outward
facing channel
2) Paint and lettering is not as accurate as P2K cars (e.g. the white
lettered UTLX tanks)
3) Like the P2K tanks, the details are fragile, in particular the
grabs and handrails, but handled with care, they look nice.

Regards
Bruce

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:17 AM, John Golden wrote:

Brothers,

I have a project I'd like to complete using the Intermountain 8K
tank car
model. Is this thing accurate? Are the major components correct
enough to
justify putting in 6-10 hours of detailing effort? I seem to
recall Ted Culotta
panned it at Cocoa a few years back, but I don't recall his major
complaints.
Thanks for the help--enjoy Naperville!

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Iwata Airbrushes

gary laakso
 

My newest airbrush is the Iwata HP-BC1 Plus for enamel paints. It has wonderful control, i can use a paint jar with it and I have used it, along with my ancient Paasche for airbrushing the "truss rod town" of now 11 Westerfield Great Northern truss rod boxcars and Sunshine truss rod reefers: 4 FGEX, 4 WFEX and 2 BREX. I am nearly half way done with GN truss rod boxcars and have more truss rod reefers to go. The Iwata has much more precise control and works very well using Floquil, Star Brands and Accupaint. Besides, i got a great deal on the price!

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
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Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

In my opinion, any manufacturer who decided not to include trucks with
a kit is looking for an easy way to commit business suicide!
Wow! IMHO, this thought flies in the face of both common sense for those interested in the most critical modeling, and common experience when taking a look at the respected kit suppliers that have become the warp and woof of the prototype modeling that we embrace, almost none of which supply trucks or wheels. Like Tim O'C, I have bags of paid-for unused trucks and, especially, wheel sets that continue to clog the drawers.

I am usually very thankful for kits without trucks or wheels, and VERY thankful for kits without wheels.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Iwata Airbrushes on Scottymason.com

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

All;

I sent out an earlier message on my experiences with Iwata, and I, too,
really like my Iwata and use it exclusively now for the new non-solvent-based
paints like Modelflex. I also find it to be easier to maintain and has been
more durable than my other double-actions.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dave
Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:37 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Iwata Airbrushes on Scottymason.com



I'm not Scott, but judging from all the other responses it seems I may be the
only other fellow here who uses Iwata airbrushes -- which I like a lot.
I have both an old Paasche (model not remembered right now but it was single
action). I wanted to try a double action brush and when I found a steal of a
price on an Iwata Eclipse from Dixieart I bought it. Havn't used the Paasche
since. Now can I explain why... no, which I recognize isn't of much help to
anyone, but there's something to the fact that once I tried the Iwata I
didn't return to my Paasche.

If I were in the market for a new air brush I'd start by checking out the
Iwata line. And I'd make that suggestion to anyone who asked.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
Scott,

I have heard this claim made about every new airbrush that has come out since
1970 but have seen little reason to switch from the tried and true Paasche
line that has been around since the period most of us model, steam era, and
has worked extremely well not only on freight cars but on all manner of
equipment. Can you cite some of the advantages you feel the Iwata line has
and a range of prices?


Re: tank cars

kenneth chapin <kenneth_chapin@...>
 

Hi:
    that helps a lot,so the clay would be in boxcars at that time,like 40" cars.would the mill have loaded these with out bound loads.
       thanks ken

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:

From: Don Worthy <don_worthy@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] tank cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 1:11 AM







 









The process for making clay into a slurry that could be hauled by tank car wasn't perfected until sometime in 1960. Before that, it was shipped in 100lb sacks *early 40s* by the mid 40s til some time in the 1980s, it was shipped in 50 or 55lb bags stacked in boxcars.

From the early days clay was also loaded "bulk" in boxcars. As the years and improvements were made, covered hopper cars began being used for bulk shipments in large numbers during the 70s. There is quiet a story of the clay business, which was tied to the paint, paper and other business process refinements.

Tanks that came to our plant were bringing oils, acids, starches and several other chemicals that were being used in the refining process.

Hope this helps

Don Worthy



From: kennethc <kenneth_chapin@...>

Subject: [STMFC] tank cars

To: STMFC@...

Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 12:41 AM



 



was clay for making paper shipped in tank cars in the late 1950's,what type of tanks and sizes,railroad or leased cars.

thanks ken chapin





























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Re: Intermountain 8K Tank Car - Accuracy?

Bruce Smith
 

John,

In general, these are pretty nice models and fit right into the steam era fleet. Details aren't quite as nice as P2K. Remember too when considering your fleet, that these type 27 cars were much less numerous than the type 21 cars

A few complaints:

1) The side sills are molded as flat when they should be an outward facing channel
2) Paint and lettering is not as accurate as P2K cars (e.g. the white lettered UTLX tanks)
3) Like the P2K tanks, the details are fragile, in particular the grabs and handrails, but handled with care, they look nice.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:17 AM, John Golden wrote:

Brothers,

I have a project I'd like to complete using the Intermountain 8K tank car
model. Is this thing accurate? Are the major components correct enough to
justify putting in 6-10 hours of detailing effort? I seem to recall Ted Culotta
panned it at Cocoa a few years back, but I don't recall his major complaints.
Thanks for the help--enjoy Naperville!

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: Intermountain 8K Tank Car - Accuracy?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

John;

It has some shortcuts, like missing rivets on the u/f, and I seem to remember
it is missing the little jack pas under the side sill, but it looked pretty
good when I measured it against plans, and for volume and such. Can
certainly use air line, piping and brake detail upgrade to your standards. A
little lacking, but better than nothing. Certainly better than any plastic
other than P2K Type 21, and the also under-detailed Red Caboose post-war.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of John
Golden
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:18 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain 8K Tank Car - Accuracy?



Brothers,

I have a project I'd like to complete using the Intermountain 8K tank car
model. Is this thing accurate? Are the major components correct enough to
justify putting in 6-10 hours of detailing effort? I seem to recall Ted
Culotta panned it at Cocoa a few years back, but I don't recall his major
complaints.
Thanks for the help--enjoy Naperville!

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Intermountain 8K Tank Car - Accuracy?

golden1014
 

Brothers,

I have a project I'd like to complete using the Intermountain 8K tank car
model.  Is this thing accurate?  Are the major components correct enough to
justify putting in 6-10 hours of detailing effort?  I seem to recall Ted Culotta
panned it at Cocoa a few years back, but I don't recall his major complaints. 
Thanks for the help--enjoy Naperville!

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.

asychis@...
 

Wow, that must be why Railyard, F&C, Westerfield and Sunshine have
all been such abysmal business failures! If only they had known!

Tim,

If you had read what I wrote, I mentioned that even Sunshine offers trucks
to those who want them. Why do they do that other than to ensure customers
who want trucks get them?

And again, the resin kit producers cater to a relatively small market,
addressing the very high level of accuracy their customers want compared to
the plastic kit manufacturers.

If InterMountain, Red Caboose, Accurail, etc. had kits in retail stores
without trucks, yes I stand by what I said, it would be business suicide.

Jerry Michels


Re: X29d end view for WrightTrak

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

Certainly not. I model 1958, and built the 1955 car because that's what I had pictures of.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

On 10/21/2010 9:07 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Guys;

There were different ends in production in 1952, and while "most likely"
might fit the PRR's rebuilding campaign, particularly given that it appears
they used SREM "kits" on many rebuilds in that timeframe, until we have a
photo, I would advise you to wait and see, if you are that stoked to have an
answer.

In the meantime, does EVERYONE on this list have to model 1952?

Elden Gatwood


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Garth
G. Groff
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:50 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29d end view for WrightTrak



Friends,

The late improved Dreadnaught end ("banana" taper) was not introduced until
1955. Absent any other data, it seems likely that the ends on the
1952 X29d cars would have been the "rolling pin" taper Dreadnaught, as that
was what was in production at that time. I know, I know: it usually isn't
safe to make assumptions, but this is the most logical end.

Kind regards,

Garth Groff

On 10/20/2010 9:23 PM, SUVCWORR@...<mailto:SUVCWORR%40aol.com> wrote:
Schuyler,

That is a 1955 built car. The end in question is for the 1952 built cars.
Some claim the end is different on the two orders of X29D cars.
Rich Orr


Re: X29d end view for WrightTrak

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

There were different ends in production in 1952, and while "most likely"
might fit the PRR's rebuilding campaign, particularly given that it appears
they used SREM "kits" on many rebuilds in that timeframe, until we have a
photo, I would advise you to wait and see, if you are that stoked to have an
answer.

In the meantime, does EVERYONE on this list have to model 1952?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Garth
G. Groff
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:50 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29d end view for WrightTrak



Friends,

The late improved Dreadnaught end ("banana" taper) was not introduced until
1955. Absent any other data, it seems likely that the ends on the
1952 X29d cars would have been the "rolling pin" taper Dreadnaught, as that
was what was in production at that time. I know, I know: it usually isn't
safe to make assumptions, but this is the most logical end.

Kind regards,

Garth Groff

On 10/20/2010 9:23 PM, SUVCWORR@... <mailto:SUVCWORR%40aol.com> wrote:
Schuyler,

That is a 1955 built car. The end in question is for the 1952 built cars.
Some claim the end is different on the two orders of X29D cars.

Rich Orr








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Re: X29d end view for WrightTrak

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

The late improved Dreadnaught end ("banana" taper) was not introduced until 1955. Absent any other data, it seems likely that the ends on the 1952 X29d cars would have been the "rolling pin" taper Dreadnaught, as that was what was in production at that time. I know, I know: it usually isn't safe to make assumptions, but this is the most logical end.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

On 10/20/2010 9:23 PM, SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Schuyler,

That is a 1955 built car. The end in question is for the 1952 built cars. Some claim the end is different on the two orders of X29D cars.

Rich Orr








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To: STMFC@...
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Subject: [STMFC] X29d end view for WrightTrak


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Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.

Stuart A. Forsyth <trainmail@...>
 

Denis,

I, for one, very much appreciate your approach to furnishing correct trucks with your kits.

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@...

On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Denis Blake <dblake7@...> wrote:

Evan

Does this include the times where the supplied trucks are correct and are
the best detailed ones available?? I think in that case leaving the cheap
wheelsets out is a correct option. However, when we can provide the trucks
economically and they are the CORRECT trucks we feel it is our obligation to
do so.

Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models


Re: tank cars

Don Worthy
 

The process for making clay into a slurry that could be hauled by tank car wasn't perfected until sometime in 1960. Before that, it was shipped in 100lb sacks *early 40s* by the mid 40s til some time in the 1980s, it was shipped in 50 or 55lb bags stacked in boxcars.
From the early days clay was also loaded "bulk" in boxcars. As the years and improvements were made, covered hopper cars began being used for bulk shipments in large numbers during the 70s. There is quiet a story of the clay business, which was tied to the paint, paper and other business process refinements.
Tanks that came to our plant were bringing oils, acids, starches and several other chemicals that were being used in the refining process.
Hope this helps
Don Worthy




From: kennethc <kenneth_chapin@...>
Subject: [STMFC] tank cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 12:41 AM


 



was clay for making paper shipped in tank cars in the late 1950's,what type of tanks and sizes,railroad or leased cars.
thanks ken chapin


Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

For what it's worth, I'd say it should be an "it depends" sort of scenario.

If the car type only has one correct option for trucks, I'd say include
it. But if there's a variety of correct trucks possible, then I'd probably
say not to include it, since there's only an X percent likelihood that the
modeller is going to use the supplied truck - and because it wouldn't be
very economical to include all possible trucks.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Denis Blake wrote:

Evan

Does this include the times where the supplied trucks are correct and are
the best detailed ones available?? I think in that case leaving the cheap
wheelsets out is a correct option. However, when we can provide the
trucks
economically and they are the CORRECT trucks we feel it is our obligation
to
do so.


Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models

--------------------------------------------------
From: "RDG2124" <RDG2124@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:45 PM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.


Being from the Golden Age of kit building, when the standard was
"...less
trucks and couplers" and the pickin's were slim. With the current
selection of couplers, trucks and wheel sets, my vote is for kits
"...less
trucks and couplers".

Evan Leisey
Bennett, CO

PS With the advent of track detection, the car fleet will see a fair
per
centage of their number receiving a resistor equipped wheel set.



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:57 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.




In my opinion, any manufacturer who decided not to include trucks with
a kit is looking for an easy way to commit business suicide!
Wow, that must be why Railyard, F&C, Westerfield and Sunshine have
all been such abysmal business failures! If only they had known!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I have an ever-growing collection of unused wheels and trucks
from models (RTR and kits) that I wish had NOT been included!











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tank cars

kennethc <kenneth_chapin@...>
 

was clay for making paper shipped in tank cars in the late 1950's,what type of tanks and sizes,railroad or leased cars.
thanks ken chapin


Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.

seaboard_1966
 

Evan

Does this include the times where the supplied trucks are correct and are the best detailed ones available?? I think in that case leaving the cheap wheelsets out is a correct option. However, when we can provide the trucks economically and they are the CORRECT trucks we feel it is our obligation to do so.


Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models

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From: "RDG2124" <RDG2124@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:45 PM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.


Being from the Golden Age of kit building, when the standard was "...less trucks and couplers" and the pickin's were slim. With the current selection of couplers, trucks and wheel sets, my vote is for kits "...less trucks and couplers".

Evan Leisey
Bennett, CO

PS With the advent of track detection, the car fleet will see a fair per centage of their number receiving a resistor equipped wheel set.



-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:57 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.




In my opinion, any manufacturer who decided not to include trucks with
a kit is looking for an easy way to commit business suicide!
Wow, that must be why Railyard, F&C, Westerfield and Sunshine have
all been such abysmal business failures! If only they had known!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I have an ever-growing collection of unused wheels and trucks
from models (RTR and kits) that I wish had NOT been included!










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Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.

RDG2124 <RDG2124@...>
 

Being from the Golden Age of kit building, when the standard was "...less trucks and couplers" and the pickin's were slim. With the current selection of couplers, trucks and wheel sets, my vote is for kits "...less trucks and couplers".

Evan Leisey
Bennett, CO

PS With the advent of track detection, the car fleet will see a fair per centage of their number receiving a resistor equipped wheel set.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:57 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.




In my opinion, any manufacturer who decided not to include trucks with
a kit is looking for an easy way to commit business suicide!
Wow, that must be why Railyard, F&C, Westerfield and Sunshine have
all been such abysmal business failures! If only they had known!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I have an ever-growing collection of unused wheels and trucks
from models (RTR and kits) that I wish had NOT been included!







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Re: X29d end view for WrightTrak

SUVCWORR@...
 

Schuyler,

That is a 1955 built car. The end in question is for the 1952 built cars. Some claim the end is different on the two orders of X29D cars.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:55 am
Subject: [STMFC] X29d end view for WrightTrak


<http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X29d

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Re: Trucks not included? Bad plan.

Tim O'Connor
 

In my opinion, any manufacturer who decided not to include trucks with
a kit is looking for an easy way to commit business suicide!

Wow, that must be why Railyard, F&C, Westerfield and Sunshine have
all been such abysmal business failures! If only they had known!

Tim O'Connor

P.S. I have an ever-growing collection of unused wheels and trucks
from models (RTR and kits) that I wish had NOT been included!

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