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Re: Naperville

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Amen to that. This was my first Naperville (brought the wife too and she liked it as well). We hope to be there again next year.


"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much, it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." -Franklin D. Roosevelt,

Bob Miller

--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Pierre <pierre.oliver@start.ca> wrote:


From: Pierre <pierre.oliver@start.ca>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Naperville
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM


 




I would just like to echo Tony's sentiments here on the meet.
I had a great time and enjoyed all the clincs I attended. Here's hoping that Joe can maintain the momentum.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

I thought this year's Naperville meet was quite good, very much
in the tradition of the previous ones conducted by Sunshine (and yes,
Sunshine was there selling kits to the usual enthusiastic buyers).
Slightly fewer clinicians due to slightly lower early registration,
thus concerns about costs, but overall a fine meet. IMO Joe Delia did
an excellent job running it, so I'll be looking forward to future
versions of this meeting.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history










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Re: When did IC start modifying their 50' SS DD boxcars into single door cars?

Ray Breyer
 

October 1989 Railmodel Journal (on page 45) shows an IC
SS DD boxcar converted into a single door car (IC 34899). 
Does anyone on the list know when IC started this program. 
I model circa 1954 and was thinking of changing the Walthers
50' kit into a single door version and wanted to see if it
fit my time frame.
Thanks
Charlie
Hi Charlie,

It looks like this conversion is outside of the scope of this group. My 1954 IC car diagram book doesn't show any of these cars converted into single door cars (34990-34999 with the left door sealed, but left in place), nor does my 1956. My 1964 book DOES: cars 34700-34755 and 34850-34999, and the drawing shows a single 6' wide door. Judging by the revision dates on the page I'd say that the conversion to single door cars happened between 1959 and 1961. All of the photos that I have of these cars are from the 1960s, so it's a safe bet that these cars are a "1960s thing".

And remember: they're all also hide service cars.

Hope this helps!
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Naperville Images Posted

dh30973
 

I finally got my pictures from Naperville put together in the usual pBase gallery. This is most of the models on display. I was fighting low battery in my flash near the end and might have missed a couple on the far side of the room. I didn't get any pictures of the HO and N scale Mod-U-Trak layouts either.

Any spelling corrections are welcome along with names for the few that didn't identify their models.

Dave Hussey


Looking for 1949 ORER pages

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

Hello Group,
I am looking to develop a GN freight car roster for September 1949, and I am hoping someone on this list has either the last issue of 1949 or the first issue of 1950 and would be willing to scan or copy the GN pages for me. Of course, I am willing to provide reasonable compensation.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


When did IC start modifying their 50' SS DD boxcars into single door cars?

Charlie D modeling the Mopac http://mopac51.tripod <trduck@...>
 

October 1989 Railmodel Journal (on page 45) shows an IC SS DD boxcar converted into a single door car (IC 34899).

Does anyone on the list know when IC started this program. I model circa 1954 and was thinking of changing the Walthers 50' kit into a single door version and wanted to see if it fit my time frame.

Thanks
Charlie


Re: Roger Hinman

Tim O'Connor
 

you sure about that? :-)

At 10/26/2010 05:20 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
try rhinman@rcn.com

Roger Hinman
On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, al.kresse wrote:

I'm looking to contact Roger Hinman offline. He had a wonderfully informative presentation on NYC Coal Cars and it seems to me that the C&O's and NYC's early-steel thru WW2 type hopper car purchases were very similar. You would expect it in the 1900-1910 era with Malvin Ingal's influence on both. You could easily do a side-by-side purchasing history and just have a few dates different and few diff vendors doing the same hopper cars.

Al Kresse


Re: Roger Hinman

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

try rhinman@rcn.com

Roger Hinman

On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, al.kresse wrote:

I'm looking to contact Roger Hinman offline. He had a wonderfully informative presentation on NYC Coal Cars and it seems to me that the C&O's and NYC's early-steel thru WW2 type hopper car purchases were very similar. You would expect it in the 1900-1910 era with Malvin Ingal's influence on both. You could easily do a side-by-side purchasing history and just have a few dates different and few diff vendors doing the same hopper cars.

Al Kresse


Re: Naperville 2011

Scott Kremer
 

I was told by Joe that it would be the first weekend in October. There
was a problem with the hotel and dates.

Scott Kremer

On Oct 26, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Gary Roe wrote:

I left Naperville on Sunday, not hearing or seeing anything official
about
next years' meet. I thought I overheard a couple folks saying that it
was
moving to the first weekend in November for next year. Does anyone
know for
sure?

gary roe
quincy, illinois




Re: PRR standard red oxide paint and GLa trucks

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Bruce and Ben--

Thanks for the quick and comprehensive info, gentlemen!

I have a Bowser H21, a Bowser GLa, and a Westerfield GLa to build. The Westerfield GLa is by far the nicest work of the lot. I've a bit of work on my hands to carve off the cast-on grabs on the Bowser GLa, the H21 already having had this work done. In future, I'll buy the Westerfield cars over the Bowsers if I want freestanding grabs.

I don't have the RMJ nor the Tiechmoeller book you've cited. But looking at that photo of GLa 748601 on page 64 of the August, 1986 RMC, I have to model this car! A little beat up, with patched-on rivet strips at the body tie bar locations. And dinged up, too.

I'll go with the Bowser Crown trucks on the H21, and try to get the Red Caboose PRR cast steel sideframe trucks for the GLa cars.

I'm modelling October, 1956, so either paint you've specified will work, depending on the age of the paint job on the car.

One more question--the bracket supporting the AB brake reservoir in the RMC photo of 748601--is that a stamping that is rivetted to the outside of the car side above the towing staple?

Thanks again,

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:



Steve Lucas asked:
"I'm building a few P-Company cars and would like suggestions as to the
best model paint match for them."

It depends on when you're modeling. For cars painted before 1945, I prefer Polly Scale Zinc Chromate Primer; for cars painted after WWII, PollyScale Special Oxide Red.


"Also, would GLa hoppers have been fitted with Crown trucks?"

Yes, according to Tracing No. C422800-E, but of the 50-ton variety (PRR Class 2D-F1). These have a 4 in shorter wheelbase than the 70-ton trucks available in HO scale from Bowser and Walker Model Services.
http://prr.railfan.net/trucks/C422800-E.pdf
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2d-f2.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2f-f1.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=


"And did TKM ever carry an article on the GLa cars?"

No. Your best bets for the time beinng is the GLA chapter in Teichmoeller book or the corresponding article in the April 1993 issue of Model Railroading, and Richard Burg's article in the February 2002 issue of Railmodel Journal. Additionally, there are prototype photos in Jim Hunter's classic Athearn twin kitbash in the August 1986 issue of RMC.


Ben Hom


Roger Hinman

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

I'm looking to contact Roger Hinman offline. He had a wonderfully informative presentation on NYC Coal Cars and it seems to me that the C&O's and NYC's early-steel thru WW2 type hopper car purchases were very similar. You would expect it in the 1900-1910 era with Malvin Ingal's influence on both. You could easily do a side-by-side purchasing history and just have a few dates different and few diff vendors doing the same hopper cars.

Al Kresse


Re: Tank car types

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2010-10-26, at 2:42 PM, Clark and Eileen wrote:

I have a friend struggling with his tank car fleet (asked some questions on his behalf at N'ville) He asked me last night what TPI and TVI AAR codes mean. We guessed that TPI was a pressurized, insulated tank car, but haven't a clue about TVI.


TVI is an oddball designation, turning up only in the mid- to late-1960s (1966-1968 for sure). The definition is:

Tank car equipped with insulated container having an inner and outer shell with a vacuum in the annular space to AAR Specification 204-W.

Sounds like a giant thermos bottle to me!

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


Re: Tank car types

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
Tanks for the quick responce Tony! He models 1972, so TVI may not have been invented yet during the time of this list?
Nope. By 1970 all the AAR Mechanical Designations for tank cars had been simplified to "T" for all cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tank car types

Clark Propst
 

Tanks for the quick responce Tony! He models 1972, so TVI may not have been invented yet during the time of this list?
Clark Propst

My ORER copies from the 1940s and 1950s have no "TV"
classification. The suffix "I", as you surmise, means "insulated."
Might he mean "TW"? That's a tank with a wooden container.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tank car types

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
I have a friend struggling with his tank car fleet (asked some questions on his behalf at N'ville) He asked me last night what TPI and TVI AAR codes mean. We guessed that TPI was a pressurized, insulated tank car, but haven't a clue about TVI.
My ORER copies from the 1940s and 1950s have no "TV" classification. The suffix "I", as you surmise, means "insulated." Might he mean "TW"? That's a tank with a wooden container.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Tank car types

Clark Propst
 

I have a friend struggling with his tank car fleet (asked some questions on his behalf at N'ville) He asked me last night what TPI and TVI AAR codes mean. We guessed that TPI was a pressurized, insulated tank car, but haven't a clue about TVI.

He's main interest right now is in the Staley fleet.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Naperville

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 10/26/2010 9:16 AM, aaejj2j wrote:
He later ran me down and gave me a nice brochure/"2011 New Products Catalog" which showed the pickup on the cover and the next two pages inside featured the truck. It does indicate 1941-6 and shows pickups, flatbeds, semi-tractor cabs, tank trucks, box trucks, and REA box, flatbed,tractor trailer sets.
Their site has changed and it's hard to figure out how to get to
the various items. Do you know if the "New Products Catalog" is on the
site?

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Naperville 2011

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Interesting.
When I talked to Joe about next year he mentioned to me that he was looking at the first weekend in October.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Gary Roe wrote:
I left Naperville on Sunday, not hearing or seeing anything official
about next years' meet. I thought I overheard a couple folks saying
that it was moving to the first weekend in November for next year.
Does anyone know for sure?
I don't know for sure, and what Joe was mentioning in
conversation was about DISCUSSIONS with the hotel, but he said he was
working for making the date a week earlier in October than this year.
Don't know when or if he will post next year's dates.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Naperville 2011

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gary Roe wrote:
I left Naperville on Sunday, not hearing or seeing anything official about next years' meet. I thought I overheard a couple folks saying that it was moving to the first weekend in November for next year. Does anyone know for sure?
I don't know for sure, and what Joe was mentioning in conversation was about DISCUSSIONS with the hotel, but he said he was working for making the date a week earlier in October than this year. Don't know when or if he will post next year's dates.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Working Air hoses with teenytiny magnets (was Naperville)

George R. Stilwell, Jr. <GRSJr@...>
 

OK. I give up. I tried to find your article. As alwys, Yahoo screws up and can't find the URL you gave. So I tried to fine the vile name you gave. Not in the list files Yahoo shows.

Please send the PDF to my E-mail address as an attachment.

George


Re: Naperville

aaejj2j
 

Classic Metal Works is the correct name. Their booth had a display model (probably cast epoxy or such with solid windows - I assume just to illustrate what will be their normal cast metal or whatever). I commented to the fellow at the booth doing paperwork (winding down) how much I liked it and was glad to see it being offered. To my question about when it would be available I believe his response was "in the spring". He later ran me down and gave me a nice brochure/"2011 New Products Catalog" which showed the pickup on the cover and the next two pages inside featured the truck. It does indicate 1941-6 and shows pickups, flatbeds, semi-tractor cabs, tank trucks, box trucks, and REA box, flatbed,tractor trailer sets. The next three pages show what I assume are there current offerings in additional colors, etc. in HO and N. The last two pages cover bigger stuff I think - muscle cars and kits. Hope that helps. I liked it.
I see lots of new city and farm trucks and REA box trucks on my layout next year.
Tyrone Johnsen
Rockford, IL

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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jon Miller <atsf@> wrote:

On 10/25/2010 2:46 PM, aaejj2j wrote:
. Only thing of interest I noted was a new 1940 Chev truck (HO) due next Spring from Metal Classics.

Do you mean Classic Metal Works? Checked their site but can find no
mention of this item. Do you know where information may be found?

It's a '41-'46 Chevy pickup. These years were all pretty much identical due to wartime restrictions. Kalmbach mentioned it in last Thursday's newsletter. They also posted a picture but there's nothing on CMW's site.

Ken Olson

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