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Re: RPM Etiquette

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:15 PM, rreed_eagle wrote:
. . . I very carefully peeled back his fingers and extracted the car from his grasp. Upon inspecting it for damage I quickly saw that just about every brake rod was bend and other details were damaged. I looked at him with shock on my face, he looked at me completely emotionless, and without saying a word turned and walked away like nothing happened.
Possibly he was thinking, "Well, fool, why is this delicate model out here where a bozo like me can grab it?? And you didn't warn us or anything . . ." <g>

Tony Thompson
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937;
e-mail: thompson@signaturepress.com


Re: RPM Etiquette

Ryan Reed
 

Several years ago, I was asked to do a weathering clinic in Spokane, WA and naturally I brought along some of my built up models - making it almost like a mini RPM meet. After the clinic, and as I was standing right there, some guy walked up to the table and grabbed a Detail Associates GS gondola that I had totally stripped to the bone and rebuilt to match a NP prototype. It was oil weathered and had a timber load in it - that I was a board-by-board load. He grabbed it like it was a banana sitting there, wrapping his fingers around the car. He flipped it over to look at the underframe - oddly enough with four of his fingers blocking the view. Needless the say, the air left my lungs and all I could say was, "I've got 55 hours in that car!! What are you doing?!?" He just froze, I mean like Michelanglo's Statue of David. I very carefully peeled back his fingers and extracted the car from his grasp. Upon inspecting it for damage I quickly saw that just about every brake rod was bend and other details were damaged. I looked at him with shock on my face, he looked at me completely emotionless, and without saying a word turned and walked away like nothing happened.

;-)

-Ryan


Re: RPM Etiquette

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Denny,

Your suggestion is very courteous, and overly worded. These days, if a sign has more than five words, it will probably be ignored by many people. How about a small card by the model that says, "Thank you for not touching"? Courteous, to the point, and short.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

On 11/4/2010 2:14 PM, dennyanspach wrote:
This is an interesting thread. Personally, I would no sooner pick up
someone else's model without permission than I would fly to the moon.
Even when permission would be or is forthcoming, I still rarely do
so. Pretty fundamental courtesy .

On the other hand, the signs DO NOT TOUCH, or similar are perceived as
unfriendly turn-offs to many of these on lookers who we would really
like to embrace and/or serve (why otherwise would be displaying our
models?). In this regard, I would think that a more inviting, but
still cautionary notice can be posted to the order of, for instance:

"Exhibition Etiquette: In full respect for the model craftsman
displaying models for your enjoyment, we ask that all visitors fully
refrain from touching or handling ANY of the models on display, at any
time".

Perhaps wordy, but the idea is to speak courteously and respectfully;
and while unsaid, the big stick can still be there.

When all is said and done, however, there were still be some
recalcitrants who "were born in a barn" (my Mother's words).

A simple way to reduce both the urge and need for anyone to handle
models on exhibit is to raise the table heights significantly, such as
they did in Naperville some years ago, and Cocoa Beach soon
afterwards. I am simply amazed about how many outfits are still
absolutely blind to the fact that a significant part of the audience
that these meets should be attracting (those over 40-45) simply cannot
SEE models displayed on the standard folding tables. Bifocals make it
even worse.


Denny

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Re: RPM Etiquette

dennyanspach <danspach@...>
 

This is an interesting thread. Personally, I would no sooner pick up someone else's model without permission than I would fly to the moon. Even when permission would be or is forthcoming, I still rarely do so. Pretty fundamental courtesy .

On the other hand, the signs DO NOT TOUCH, or similar are perceived as unfriendly turn-offs to many of these on lookers who we would really like to embrace and/or serve (why otherwise would be displaying our models?). In this regard, I would think that a more inviting, but still cautionary notice can be posted to the order of, for instance:

"Exhibition Etiquette: In full respect for the model craftsman displaying models for your enjoyment, we ask that all visitors fully refrain from touching or handling ANY of the models on display, at any time".

Perhaps wordy, but the idea is to speak courteously and respectfully; and while unsaid, the big stick can still be there.

When all is said and done, however, there were still be some recalcitrants who "were born in a barn" (my Mother's words).

A simple way to reduce both the urge and need for anyone to handle models on exhibit is to raise the table heights significantly, such as they did in Naperville some years ago, and Cocoa Beach soon afterwards. I am simply amazed about how many outfits are still absolutely blind to the fact that a significant part of the audience that these meets should be attracting (those over 40-45) simply cannot SEE models displayed on the standard folding tables. Bifocals make it even worse.


Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Red Caboose 103W welded tank car (& Cocoa Beach)

al_brown03
 

I'm doing the 103W as a USAX car, and am about ready to letter it. In reviewing the kit (RMJ 4/96 p 56), Richard Hendrickson used Walthers decal set 131380. Walthers no longer catalogue their own decals. Does anyone know of a source for this set, or another source for an HO scale Army Transportation Corps logo? I think I can cobble up the rest of the lettering from other sets.

TIA

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Al Brown wrote:
Plano Model Products sell etched-metal Apex running boards and dome
platforms for the Red Caboose car: their part #306. Usual
disclaimer: no business relationship, just a happy customer.

(Smack talk: I will show this car at Cocoa Beach. But, I'm not
saying which year!)
The Plano parts are nice, indeed. Tell you what, Al--you bring
your car and I'll bring mine. Mine is a project Jim Hayes started,
cutting down a Red Caboose tank to 4000-gallon size. He passed it on
to me, and I've detailed it, including cut-down Plano running boards
and dome platforms, new dome top equipment, brake gear, etc., and my
own decals for Stauffer Chemical.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

Gene Deimling <losgatos48@...>
 

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@att.net> wrote:

Don Burn wrote:
"I can't tell from the photo (N-scale version)
http://www.atlasrr.com/NFreight/n1932boxcar2.htm
what the roof is, perhaps someone can resolve it."

It's a Climax radial roof; unfortunately, from the photo, the detail appears to
be rather "lumpy" and not very sharp.


Ben Hom

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Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Don Burn wrote:
"I can't tell from the photo (N-scale version)
http://www.atlasrr.com/NFreight/n1932boxcar2.htm
what the roof is, perhaps someone can resolve it."

It's a Climax radial roof; unfortunately, from the photo, the detail appears to
be rather "lumpy" and not very sharp.


Ben Hom


Pickles car plans

Bob McCarthy
 

Howdy!

     Have the 1941 volume.  Will try to look up the car today.  Having missed part of this discussion, if you want a scanned copy of the article for modeling purposes contact me off site.  Will clear reproduction with RMC.

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

--- On Wed, 11/3/10, frograbbit602 <frograbbit602@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: frograbbit602 <frograbbit602@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pickles car
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 9:24 PM







 









Bill in addition to the HO drawing of the Heinz pickle car which appeared in the July 1954 Railroad Model Craftsman another drawing with prototype car dimensions appeared in the December 1941 issue of The Model Craftsman. The 41 MC drawing shows the door rests attached to the wood running board when the six hinged roof sections were opened to gain access to the pickle tanks inside. The 54 RMC plan does not show this detail. I am getting this data from my notes on two pickle cars I built some years ago. I am sorry I can not find my copy of the 41 MC drawing which I remember I obtained from the Kalmbach Memorial Library for a copy fee and postage.



Lester Breuer



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Lane" <bill@...> wrote:

All,
I am hoping to find some drawings and/or photos of the Heinz Pickle car.
While I like the car with the exposed tanks I am more interested in the
"gondola" type. I saw it in a car builders I have but no plans were there.
They are for a project I want to do - a "good enough" run of 2 or 3 cars as
possibly my first scratchbuilding effort in S.. I could go for an HO plan
with a few basic dimensions if necessary or if there is a close (&
inexpensive) HO plastic car I could use for a reference.
Please reply directly with what you have.
Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988
See my finished models at:
<http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
Custom Train Parts Design
<http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm
PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls
***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
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Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

Don Burn
 

I can't tell from the photo (N-scale version)
http://www.atlasrr.com/NFreight/n1932boxcar2.htm what the roof is, perhaps
someone can resolve it.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:22 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

Bill Welch asked:
"Does the Atlas 1932 C&O car have the Climax roof?"

Atlas' artwork shows a car with a Viking roof:
http://tinyurl.com/Atlas-C-O-1932-ARA-11-2010-Art


Ben Hom





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Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch asked:
"Does the Atlas 1932 C&O car have the Climax roof?"

Atlas' artwork shows a car with a Viking roof:
http://tinyurl.com/Atlas-C-O-1932-ARA-11-2010-Art


Ben Hom


Re: RPM Etiquette

Pieter Roos
 

Except that it really doesn't matter if you are the world's most accomplished scratch builder, and the model in question is a damaged Blue Box kit put together in two minutes by a actual five year old. You still shouldn't handle it without permission of the owner.

Operating might be different. If I have permission to run a model I assume, unless instructed differently, that i have permission to handle it - carefully.

The New England RPM meet which I most often attend includes "Do Not Touch" text on each section of the display tables. I'm sure that doesn't give some folks pause, but at least the principle is established.

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pullmanboss" <tcmadden@...> wrote:

Nah, it's an ego thing. Each of us fancies ourself an expert modeler, but that's always relative. Compared to Ted's models, my best ones look like they were done by Quasimodo on a bad day. Most of us can make the mental adjustment when confronted by really outstanding models, and humble ourselves accordingly. But some can't, and they tell themselves that they are as good as or better than the creator of the model at hand, and perfectly capable of handling it safely. So they do.

Tom "The bells, the bells!" Madden


Re: Pickles car

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 05:45 AM 11/2/2010, Bill Lane wrote:
I am hoping to find some drawings and/or photos of the Heinz Pickle car.
While I like the car with the exposed tanks I am more interested in the
"gondola" type. I saw it in a car builders I have but no plans were there.
They are for a project I want to do - a "good enough" run of 2 or 3 cars as
possibly my first scratchbuilding effort in S.. I could go for an HO plan
with a few basic dimensions if necessary or if there is a close (&
inexpensive) HO plastic car I could use for a reference.
You've seen the Heinz archive...?
<http://digital.library.pitt.edu/images/pittsburgh/heinz.html>http://digital.library.pitt.edu/images/pittsburgh/heinz.html


Search for "vinegar tank car"...
which should lead to:
<http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/getimage-idx?view=image;entryid=x-msp57.b024.i02;viewid=HJHZ0748.TIF;cc=hpichswp;c=hpichswp;quality=m800>


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

Bill Welch
 

Does the Atlas 1932 C&O car have the Climax roof?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Sexton" <SSEXTON9@...> wrote:

I believe the Climax roof from Sunshine Models kit 38.1 may work. It's for a
SP B-50-15 boxcar. Glad to see someone has a different topic for discussion.



Larry Sexton





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
octoraro1948
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:18 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars





I have a waybill for C&O 12889 and wish to model the car. In 2005 and last
October (2009) there were some discussions about C&O's 12000-series auto box
cars. From those discussions, I understand that this single door car was in
the series 12392-12999 rebuilt from ex-Hocking Valley double-sheathed cars
in 1941 and 1942 with steel sides. The discussion said the 8'-8" interior
height was retained as were the 7/8 inverse Murphy ends and the Z-section
steel frame was visible along the side sills below the floor line. Another
post said that Climax radial roofs were used. None of the posts I saw
identified the type of door, the opening of which was 6'-6" x 8'-2", used on
the rebuilt cars.

I've been looking for HO models to use as a basis for this car that will
need, I imagine, scratchbuilt sides and a Climax radial roof from some other
kit.

I would appreciate any suggestions for modeling this car and sources for
diagrams, drawings, or photos of these rebuilt single door boxcars.

Thank you.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ







Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

Larry Sexton
 

I believe the Climax roof from Sunshine Models kit 38.1 may work. It's for a
SP B-50-15 boxcar. Glad to see someone has a different topic for discussion.



Larry Sexton





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
octoraro1948
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:18 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars





I have a waybill for C&O 12889 and wish to model the car. In 2005 and last
October (2009) there were some discussions about C&O's 12000-series auto box
cars. From those discussions, I understand that this single door car was in
the series 12392-12999 rebuilt from ex-Hocking Valley double-sheathed cars
in 1941 and 1942 with steel sides. The discussion said the 8'-8" interior
height was retained as were the 7/8 inverse Murphy ends and the Z-section
steel frame was visible along the side sills below the floor line. Another
post said that Climax radial roofs were used. None of the posts I saw
identified the type of door, the opening of which was 6'-6" x 8'-2", used on
the rebuilt cars.

I've been looking for HO models to use as a basis for this car that will
need, I imagine, scratchbuilt sides and a Climax radial roof from some other
kit.

I would appreciate any suggestions for modeling this car and sources for
diagrams, drawings, or photos of these rebuilt single door boxcars.

Thank you.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Re: Pickle Cars

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

The pickle car article was in the November 1956 Model Railroader as a
"Dollar Car Project".



Allen Cain


C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

octoraro1948 <octoraro1@...>
 

I have a waybill for C&O 12889 and wish to model the car. In 2005 and last October (2009) there were some discussions about C&O's 12000-series auto box cars. From those discussions, I understand that this single door car was in the series 12392-12999 rebuilt from ex-Hocking Valley double-sheathed cars in 1941 and 1942 with steel sides. The discussion said the 8'-8" interior height was retained as were the 7/8 inverse Murphy ends and the Z-section steel frame was visible along the side sills below the floor line. Another post said that Climax radial roofs were used. None of the posts I saw identified the type of door, the opening of which was 6'-6" x 8'-2", used on the rebuilt cars.

I've been looking for HO models to use as a basis for this car that will need, I imagine, scratchbuilt sides and a Climax radial roof from some other kit.

I would appreciate any suggestions for modeling this car and sources for diagrams, drawings, or photos of these rebuilt single door boxcars.

Thank you.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Re: UP lettering

Tim O'Connor
 

Jerry, if you do UP cars here is a problem I ran into lately:
there is a dearth of UP reweigh/lube dates for the middle 1950's
up to 1965, when the practice of reweigh stencils ended. I've
been trying to find yellow stencils now (for a bunch of cars) but
UP also had white, red and black lettering in this era.

For that matter, Ted Culotta's SP decals and many Sunshine decals
also heavily lean toward the 1940's and often there is only one or
two choices for dates in the middle 50's and later. As a last resort
I use the Champ sets but the lettering is the wrong size, font, or
contrasts in color (Champ white is not opaque).

I think about 80-85% of the cars I model need reweigh dates and it's
definitely a challenge to find the decals!

Tim O'

Thanks Richard. I may not have been clear enough: I was referring to the built date and location which I've found on some in Metcalf's book. Guess I'll have to make them as they are not present in yellow on Speedwitch's set. I was going to do some data for 10'6" IH cars anyway...

Jerry Glow

Here's a list of common UP shop symbols where reweighing was done:
AR = Argo (Seattle) AT = Albina Terminal (Portland), OR + CB =
Council Bluffs, IA CH = Cheyenne, WY COL = Columbus, NE DE =
Denver + GI = Grand Island, NE + GR = Green River, WY LA = Los
Angeles NP = North Platte, NE NA = Nampa, ID OG = Ogden, UT OM =
Omaha + PO = Pocatello, ID WW = Walla Walla, WA (a + indicates a
larger shop where heavy repairs and repainting was carried out).


Re: RPM Etiquette

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

I'll stick my oar into this and just say that I'm pretty sure that the miscreant in question is a regular at Naperville and should have known better but clearly didn't give a damn.
Bit of the old entitlement attitude...
Pierre Oliver
Nah, it's an ego thing. Each of us fancies ourself an expert modeler, but that's always relative. Compared to Ted's models, my best ones look like they were done by Quasimodo on a bad day. Most of us can make the mental adjustment when confronted by really outstanding models, and humble ourselves accordingly. But some can't, and they tell themselves that they are as good as or better than the creator of the model at hand, and perfectly capable of handling it safely. So they do.

Tom "The bells, the bells!" Madden


Santa Fe Mini Meet Reminder

Keith Jordan
 

Here's a reminder of an upcoming exciting event just a week away:

The 23rd Annual Santa Fe Mini Meet in Kansas City
At the Old Mission Methodist Church November 13, 2010

Program Lineup:
Jeff Needham - The Colorado Northern
Bob Walz - The Santa Fe in Western Kansas
Mike Martin - The Santa Fe-SP Merger
Paul Nash - York Canyon

Admission $5 at the doors; doors open at 8am; programs begin at 9am

Lunch will be available for $6 which includes chili or chili dogs and the fixin's

Swap tables available. There will be a large estate sale of HO scale kits, cars and locomotives at low, low prices.

For additional information and directions, go to:

http://web.mac.com/ckjordan/KC_Mini_Meet/Home.html

See you there!

Keith Jordan


Pickles car - thanks

Bill Lane
 

Thanks to all that replied to my inquiry. It is appreciated.



I got some information. Ironically the first thing I may look into is what
to do for decals. (Its S Scale remember) The car is not as interesting
without the unique decals. I want the scheme with the large PICKLES on the
side.



It is just the hottest thing in the projects du jour list.







Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
<http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
<http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
<http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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