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Re: NYC Lot 814-H 3-bay 70-ton offset side hopper cars

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

Can't say definitively, but it was putting Ride Control trucks under its 50-ton cars of the same vintage and its 70-ton cars later in the decade.

Bob Karig

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "MichaelK" <kmetz@...> wrote:

What trucks would these cars have had when built in 1952?
Michael Kmetz


John Galt Line model

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I forgot to mention I have a very early scratch built model on eBay that expires soon: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=Galt+Line&_sacat=See-All-Categories if you're interested. - Al Westerfield


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars

tmolsen@...
 

I have broken down the Broadway Website listings of these cars and matched them with the Lot Numbers in Terry Links website. You will find that a number of the cars are not lettered correctly for what they are supposed to be. Terry's site also links the lot numbers with models that are available. Hope that this will help in choosing the correct 4-Pack or individual cars from Broadway!

Broadway Limited NYC Specification 486 Steel Boxcars


Four Packs:

#1750 - 4 Pack - NYC Steel Box Cars - #s 103105, 106487, l08152, 111869 - 7/8 Corrugated Ends, Pre-1955 Roman Lettering.

#1752 - 4 Pack - NYC Steel Box Cars - #s 121134, 121656, 122724, 123242 - Dreadnaught Ends, Pre-1955 Roman Lettering.

#1751 - 4 Pack - NYC Steel Box Cars - #s 104324, 106322, 107947, 110334 - 7/8 Corrugated Ends, Post-1955 Extended Gothic Lettering.

#1753 - 4 Pack - NYC Steel Box Cars - #s 121263, 121876, 122545, 122820 - Dreadnaught Ends, Post 1955 Extended Gothic Lettering.

#1754 - 4 Pack - NYC Steel Box Cars - Unlettered, Unnumbered - 7/8 Corrugated Ends.


Separate Single Cars

#1755 - NYC Steel Box Car - # 103247 - 7/8 Corrugated Ends, Pre-1955 Roman Lettering.

#1756 - NYC Steel Box Car - # 118728 - 7/8 Corrugated Ends, Pre-1955 Roman Lettering.

#1759 - NYC Steel Box Car - #122766 - Dreadnaught Ends, Pre-1955 Roman Lettering.

#1761 - Boston & Albany Steel Box Car - # 50639 - 7/8 Corrugated Ends, Pre-1955 Roman Lettering.

#1762 - Peoria & Eastern Steel Box Car - # 3829 - 7/8 Corrugated Ends, Pre-1955 Roman Lettering.

#1757 - NYC Steel Box Car - # 103633 - 7/8 Corrugated Ends, Post-1955 Extended Gothic Lettering.

#1758 - NYC Steel Box Car - # 105065 - 7/8 Corrugated Ends, Post-1955 Extended Gothic Lettering.

#1760 - NYC Steel Boxcar - # 121333 - Dreadnaught Ends, Post-1955 Extended Gothic Lettering.

Lot Numbers from Canada Southern NYC Car Website As Applied to
Broadway Limited HO NYC Specification 486 Models


Lot #437B - 1922 to 1967 - NYC #s 102500-104499 (EX- CCC&STL #s 57500-59499). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2903 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1750, 1751, 1754 Undec.

Lot #438B - 1922-1967 - NYC #s NYC #s 105000-105999: Paint date 6/55 Gothic (EX- NYC #s181000-181999). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2901 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1750, 1751, 1754 Undec., 1758.

Lot #439B - 1922-1967 - NYC #s 106000-106999: Photo with paint date 11/42 (EX- NYC #s 182000-182999). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2901 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1754 Undec.

Lot #489B - 1924-1967 - NYC #s 107000-108999: Photo with 2/54 paint date (EX- NYC #s 98000-99999). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2901 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1750, 1751, 1754 Undec.

Lot #490B - 1924-1967 - NYC #s 109000-110999 (EX- CCC&STL #s 40000-41999). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2903 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1751, 1754 Undec.

Lot #491B - 1924-1965 - NYC #s 111000-111999 (EX- MCRR #s 81000-81999). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2904 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1750, 1754 Undec.

Lot #491B - 1924-1972 - Peoria & Eastern #s 3700-4116: Photo with paint date 8/52 {TRANSFERRED DEC. 1940} - (EX MCRR #s 81000-81999). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2906 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1754 Undec.

Lot #492B - 1924-1977 - NYC #s 38000-38999: Photo with paint date 1/53- (EX- B&A #s 50000-50999: Photo with paint date 2/51 ). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2902 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1761.

Lot #500B - 1925-1967 - NYC #s 113000-113999 (EX- MCRR #s 82000-82999: Photo with paint date 4/36). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2904 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1754 Undec.

Lot #501B - 1925-1967 - NYC #s 114000-114999 (EX- CCC&STL #s 48000-48999). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2903 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1754 Undec.

Lot 502B - 1925-1967 - NYC #s 115500-115999 (EX- #s NYC 97500-97999). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2901 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1754 Undec.

Lot #503B - 1925-1967 - NYC #s 120100-120499 (EX- NYC #s 97100-97499) AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2901 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1754 Undec.

Lot #530B - 1926-1967 - NYC #s 118500-119999: Photo with paint date 4/59 Gothic Lettering (EX- NYC #s 95500-96999).
AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2901 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY
LIMITED #1754 Undec.

Lot #531B - 1926-1969 - Peoria & Eastern #s 3500-3599. AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2906 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY
LIMITED #1754 Undec.

Lot #532B - 1926-1966 - NYC #s 120500-120898 (EX- CCC&STL #s 59500-59898) (EX- NOR #s 4350-4749) AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2900, 2903, 2905 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1754 Undec.

Lot #559B - 1927-1967 - NYC #s 121000-121999 (EX- CCC&STL #s 49000-49999). AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2950, 2951 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1752, 1753, 1759, 1760 (CORRECT BODY - BUT MODELS ARE LETTERED NYC ).

Lot #560B - 1927-1976 - Peoria & Eastern #s 3600-3649: Photo with paint date 5/64 Gothic Lettering. AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2950 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1752, 1753, 1759, 1760 (CORRECT BODY - BUT MODELS ARE LETTERED NYC ).

Lot #563B - 1927-1967 - AS BUILT: WESTERFIELD KIT #2950, 2951 - POST 1940s: BROADWAY LIMITED #1752, 1753, 1759, 1760.


Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292 (Home)
(302) 840-2897 (Cell)
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: automobile boxcar wreck

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Per Ian Cranstone's list in CN Lines 7/3, page 27, this car was built by Pullman in April, 1929. The car would have had cast-steel "Bettendorf" trucks when built. CN did not use National Type B trucks until 1938/39 on new car orders.

CN Lines 6/4 has an article by Stafford Swain on CN, GTW, and Central Vermont steel-frame automobile box cars. A Pressed Steel Car Company builder's photo in this issue shows CV 41099 built in March, 1929 with cast-steel trucks. Notable is that this car has a lever handbrake. Perhaps the car in the derailment was so fitted when built?

Here's a photo of the F&C HO kit for this car--

http://cart.valleyrailroadmodeltrains.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=833

Hope that this helps,

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mark M" <bnonut@...> wrote:

Found on the CB&Q Historical site, enjoy! My earlier post about my cars, did these have National B1 trucks when delivered?

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=20

Mark Morgan


Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

David
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bill Welch asked:
"Does the Atlas 1932 C&O car have the Climax roof?"

Atlas' artwork shows a car with a Viking roof:
http://tinyurl.com/Atlas-C-O-1932-ARA-11-2010-Art
It shouldn't. The C&O (and NKP) ARA 1932 cars had a late Hutchins radial roof (which is not the same as the 1920s Hutchins radial).

David Thompson


Re: automobile boxcar wreck

Ryan Reed
 

That is an incredible picture -- a really dark and disturbing force in me REALLY wants to model that scene!! LOL

-Ryan

Found on the CB&Q Historical site, enjoy! My earlier post about my cars, did these have National B1 trucks when delivered?

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=20

Mark Morgan


Re: WMRX (MDT) Insulated Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

I have this Walthers car -- bought it at least 20 years ago. This
would be an awesome choice for a resin kit, but it's probably too
"modern" for most resin freight car enthusiasts.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/5/2010 05:37 PM Friday, you wrote:
These were rebuilds of the MDT 5000 and 3500 series composite reefers done in 1954-56 using Despatch Ends. Since the rebuild used an older under-frame with a full length side sill, the side panel heights and rivetting arrangment were unique among their steel cars. The WM Historical Society did a custom paint run of a generic Walthers rfgr car quite a few years back. It would be a challenge to model this car accurately. These rebuilds saw service under a variety of reporting marks

Roger Hinman


Re: WMRX (MDT) Insulated Boxcars

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

These were rebuilds of the MDT 5000 and 3500 series composite reefers done in 1954-56 using Despatch Ends. Since the rebuild used an older under-frame with a full length side sill, the side panel heights and rivetting arrangment were unique among their steel cars. The WM Historical Society did a custom paint run of a generic Walthers rfgr car quite a few years back. It would be a challenge to model this car accurately. These rebuilds saw service under a variety of reporting marks

Roger Hinman

On Nov 5, 2010, at 11:42 AM, rcs161jra@comcast.net wrote:



Greetings,

I would like to model several of these cars leased by the WM in 1956. These were originally built by MDT in sept 1931 apparently for Northern Refrigerator Line. Here's a pic previously referenced during the much discussed "swaged or lapper rivet seams" http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/wmrx-9.jpg

I am having trouble finding a good starting point for these as they seem much taller than most Refrig. cars of this era and have some sort of 5/3 Despatch looking end. Any suggestions or additional info on these would be appreciated. I have done the artwork for decals so I'm anxious to build one one this winter!

Some other info I have on these:

IH 9'-3"

EXH 14'-9" (rail to running board)

Doors: 8' x 8.5' Camel "sliding" (plug door)

CU FT 3155

ROOF - SREMCo ("flat panel")

Insulation - 4" Ultralite sides, ends, roof, 2.5" Hairfelt floor.

Thanks,

Jeff Adams

WMRHS

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Re: automobile boxcar wreck

tbarney2004
 

On 11/5/2010 2:16 PM, tyesac@aol.com wrote:
Mark,

Do my eyes deceive me, or does this car (end doors/fire truck load) have "CV" (Central Vermont) reporting marks? Was CV or CB&Q the original owner?

Tom Casey









-----Original Message-----
From: Mark M<bnonut@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:39 am
Subject: [STMFC] automobile boxcar wreck




Found on the CB&Q Historical site, enjoy! My earlier post about my cars, did these have National B1 trucks when delivered?

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=20

Mark Morgan


Looks like C. V. 412--- to me (I can't make out what's after the 412, or if the full # is 5 or 6 digits.

Tim Barney


NYC Lot 814-H 3-bay 70-ton offset side hopper cars

Mike Kmetz
 

What trucks would these cars have had when built in 1952?
Michael Kmetz


Re: proto 50' automobile boxcar Burlington

Mark
 

Thanks Al. I had better purchase #13! Saw a photo of 48500 in Train Shed #17. Really appreciate your reply.

Mark Morgan

--- On Fri, 11/5/10, al_brown03 <abrown@fit.edu> wrote:

From: al_brown03 <abrown@fit.edu>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: proto 50' automobile boxcar Burlington
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 6:11 AM







 









Burlington had two classes of 50' steel auto cars: classes XA-15A (48000-48224 and 49500-49674) and XA-15B (48500-48599). There were re-numberings later. Both series of XA-15A's came with AAR spring plankless trucks (of slightly different types); the XA-15B's came with National Type B trucks. Both classes had end doors; XA-15A's had Evans auto loaders, XA-15B's didn't. This info is from the article in RP CYC 13 on Burlington's steel auto cars.



Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mark M" <bnonut@...> wrote:

I have a pair of these and beleive the trucks might be incorrect and brake wheel used, any other thoughts?
Appreciate the help.
Mark Morgan


Re: automobile boxcar wreck

Mark
 

Looks like a CV car to me and believe Funaro has a kit for that one!

Mark Morgan

--- On Fri, 11/5/10, tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@aol.com> wrote:

From: tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] automobile boxcar wreck
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 2:16 PM







 











Mark,



Do my eyes deceive me, or does this car (end doors/fire truck load) have "CV" (Central Vermont) reporting marks? Was CV or CB&Q the original owner?



Tom Casey



-----Original Message-----

From: Mark M <bnonut@yahoo.com>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:39 am

Subject: [STMFC] automobile boxcar wreck



Found on the CB&Q Historical site, enjoy! My earlier post about my cars, did these have National B1 trucks when delivered?



http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=20



Mark Morgan





























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Plug for a Dealer

Riley K <riley050748@...>
 

I bought a kit from Valley Railroad Models today , first of all because he had a nice selection of F&C kits, and the price and shipping was attractive. Two hours after I ordered the owner called and said he found problems with the parts in the kit. I substituted another and it was mailed today.Just a shameless plug for this dealer found at:

http://cart.valleyrailroadmodeltrains.com/

Riley Kinney


Re: automobile boxcar wreck

Benjamin Hom
 

Tom Casey asked:
"Do my eyes deceive me, or does this car (end doors/fire truck load) have "CV"
(Central Vermont) reporting marks?"
http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=20

Yes - CV 412xx (x=not legible) is the reporting mark on the end.


"Was CV or CB&Q the original owner?"

Don't get confused by Mark's crossthreading - this photo is NOT related to his
CB&Q automobile boxcar question.  CV 41000-41499, end door single sheathed
automobile boxcars built 1929, Funaro & Camerleng HO scale kits first marketed
by The Steam Shack of Rutland VT, currently available in Funaro's own line:
http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/6651.html


Ben Hom


Re: automobile boxcar wreck

tyesac@...
 

Mark,

Do my eyes deceive me, or does this car (end doors/fire truck load) have "CV" (Central Vermont) reporting marks? Was CV or CB&Q the original owner?

Tom Casey

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark M <bnonut@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 3:39 am
Subject: [STMFC] automobile boxcar wreck




Found on the CB&Q Historical site, enjoy! My earlier post about my cars, did these have National B1 trucks when delivered?

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=20

Mark Morgan







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WMRX (MDT) Insulated Boxcars

wm501jra
 

Greetings,

I would like to model several of these cars leased by the WM in 1956. These were originally built by MDT in sept 1931 apparently for Northern Refrigerator Line. Here's a pic previously referenced during the much discussed "swaged or lapper rivet seams" http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/wmrx-9.jpg

I am having trouble finding a good starting point for these as they seem much taller than most Refrig. cars of this era and have some sort of 5/3 Despatch looking end. Any suggestions or additional info on these would be appreciated. I have done the artwork for decals so I'm anxious to build one one this winter!



Some other info I have on these:

 IH 9'-3"

EXH 14'-9" (rail to running board)

Doors: 8' x 8.5' Camel "sliding" (plug door)

CU FT 3155

ROOF - SREMCo ("flat panel")

Insulation - 4"  Ultralite sides, ends, roof, 2.5" Hairfelt floor.



Thanks,

Jeff Adams

WMRHS



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: proto 50' automobile boxcar Burlington

al_brown03
 

Burlington had two classes of 50' steel auto cars: classes XA-15A (48000-48224 and 49500-49674) and XA-15B (48500-48599). There were re-numberings later. Both series of XA-15A's came with AAR spring plankless trucks (of slightly different types); the XA-15B's came with National Type B trucks. Both classes had end doors; XA-15A's had Evans auto loaders, XA-15B's didn't. This info is from the article in RP CYC 13 on Burlington's steel auto cars.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mark M" <bnonut@...> wrote:

I have a pair of these and beleive the trucks might be incorrect and brake wheel used, any other thoughts?

Appreciate the help.
Mark Morgan


automobile boxcar wreck

Mark
 

Found on the CB&Q Historical site, enjoy! My earlier post about my cars, did these have National B1 trucks when delivered?

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=20

Mark Morgan


Re: RPM Etiquette

Schuyler Larrabee
 

So, is he still alive? I mean, shooting him in the back like that wasn't
cricket, but still . . .

SGL



years ago, I was asked to do a weathering clinic in Spokane, WA and
naturally I brought along some of my built up models - making it almost like
a mini RPM meet. After the clinic, and as I was standing right there, some
guy walked up to the table and grabbed a Detail Associates GS gondola that I
had totally stripped to the bone and rebuilt to match a NP prototype. It was
oil weathered and had a timber load in it - that I was a board-by-board
load. He grabbed it like it was a banana sitting there, wrapping his fingers
around the car. He flipped it over to look at the underframe - oddly enough
with four of his fingers blocking the view. Needless the say, the air left
my lungs and all I could say was, "I've got 55 hours in that car!! What are
you doing?!?" He just froze, I mean like Michelanglo's Statue of David. I
very carefully peeled back his fingers and extracted the car from his grasp.
Upon inspecting it for damage I quickly saw that just about every brake rod
was bend and other details were damaged. I looked at him with shock on my
face, he looked at me completely emotionless, and without saying a word
turned and walked away like nothing happened.

;-)

-Ryan








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proto 50' automobile boxcar Burlington

Mark
 

I have a pair of these and beleive the trucks might be incorrect and brake wheel used, any other thoughts?

Appreciate the help.
Mark Morgan

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