I'm about to start an article for our NKPHTS magazine on the NKP Freight car
fleet. I'd like to augment my ORER data. Since I model 1957 most of my
issues revolve around this time frame. I'm looking for people willing to
scan the NKP and WLE sections of the ORERs from the 20's thru 1950. It would
not have to be every issue obviously but I'd like to build up sufficient
information to develop a relatively complete picture. If anyone is
interested in helping me with this project please contact me OFF LIST.
Thanks. I'm thinking I'll have the basis for a clinic or two for RPM meets
as I go too.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...

OK. Hawaii is not a foreign land, however, it might as well
be when it
comes to shipping Scaleccoat or Floquil. Does anyone else
living outside
the continental US know of a shipper that will handle this
material?

Thanks in advance.

Bill Pardie

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Assume by propelled and non-propelled, you are referring to systems driven by a motor and systems with the compressor driven from the axle, respectively?


Evan Leisey
Bennett, CO



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To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 12:14 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Mechanical Reefers




I will doing a clinic on the "FGE/WFE/BRE Mechanicals: 1948-1957" at Cocoa Beach in January. FGE conducted trial w/9 systems beginning in 1948 to see which system could keep a load at 0 degrees and below and survive the riggers of being in a train. Four of these were "propelled" and the balance had no power source or were not propelled. None of the unpropelled systems made it past the trials either for economics or durability or both.

In 1951 FGE placed the first mechanical cars into revenue service using either diesel powered systems or gasoline powered systems. These were 40-ft cars followed fairly quickly w/50-ft. cars (diesel only). As initially conceived these were for frozen commodities only, but interest in "All Purpose" cars followed quickly. However demand kept even these cars in frozen food service.

More in January.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RDG2124 <RDG2124@> wrote:

If within the discussion period of this list, when did mechanical reefers enter service? Assume since passenger cars began using mechanical air conditioning in the late 30's that reefers would have been soon to follow or did they precede passenger cars?

The discussion of roses being shipped via reefers prompted questions, other than the obvious labor intensity and icing delays of the iced cars, what are the pros and cons of the ice versus the mechanical cars. As I know only of flowers being shipped in iced reefers, assume that humidity was a concern.

Thank you,

Evan Leisey
Bennett, CO

US Post has a ground shipping method for these items. It gets an "ORMD"
Blue sticker that forces ground shipment. Of course being in Hawaii
there is no ground Option.
Bill Dixon

To make it even more fun, the CB&Q/C&S/FW&D applied the same classification
to 16,000 box cars built from 1945 to the late 1950's, class XM-32. All of
the cars were 40'6" IL and 10'6" IH with 6' doors -- and if you think about
it, that's all that matters to a shipper!

And CB&Q didn't always advance the classes .. in 1959, they acquired new
XM-2 box cars!

Tim O'Connor

I'm doing a lot of research on CB&Q freight cars and I've come into a roadblock of sorts. I've noticed that the CB&Q designates car series with a car class. The tough part is that, unlike the Pennsy, NYC and the NC&StL, they don't put the class name on the car exterior.

For example, I have a picture of CB&Q #44499 which is an single sheathed automobile box car. Thanks to the article on CB&Q wood automobile cars in a RPC issue, I know that it is a class XA-6 car. But when looking at the picture of the car there isn't any place that has it stenciled "XA-6".

So, does anyone know where I can find a good classification and freight car roster for CB&Q cars?

Thanks.
Steve Hedlund

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OK. Hawaii is not a foreign land, however, it might as well
be when it comes to shipping Scaleccoat or Floquil. Does anyone else
living outsidethe continental US know of a shipper that will handle this
material?
Thanks in advance.
Bill Pardie

If within the discussion period of this list, when did mechanical reefers enter service? Assume since passenger cars began using mechanical air conditioning in the late 30's that reefers would have been soon to follow or did they precede passenger cars?

The discussion of roses being shipped via reefers prompted questions, other than the obvious labor intensity and icing delays of the iced cars, what are the pros and cons of the ice versus the mechanical cars. As I know only of flowers being shipped in iced reefers, assume that humidity was a concern.

Thank you,

Evan Leisey
Bennett, CO










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I believe they were still discussing moisture concerns with meat with mechanical refrig in the early 1950s . . . until they realized they could start with a goodly amount of artificial moisture and keep it along the trip.  FGE was building new re-icing platforms in 1955 (@ their Russell and Peru yards) along the C&O.  I believe FGE purchased a "demo fleet" of mech reffers in 1956 with diff supplier motor-compressor sets.  They keep their leased re-icing platforms on the C&O until 1972 I believe.



Al Kresse


----- Original Message -----
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:48:38 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Ice vs Mechanical Reefers - Off Subject?


If within the discussion period of this list, when did mechanical reefers enter service?  Assume since passenger cars began using mechanical air conditioning in the late 30's that reefers would have been soon to follow or did they precede passenger cars?

The discussion of roses being shipped via reefers prompted questions, other than the obvious labor intensity and icing delays of the iced cars, what are the pros and cons of the ice versus the mechanical cars.   As I know only of flowers being shipped in iced reefers, assume that humidity was a concern.

Thank you,

Evan Leisey
Bennett, CO










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