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Re: Multiple Micro Sol Applications

Aley, Jeff A
 

Jim,

With regard to your comments about "fine motor control":
I find it is handy to have a spare block of wood, or a suitably-sized plastic box on which to rest the heel of my hand.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 8:26 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Multiple Micro Sol Applications

All of this is about your fine motor control - I find
that if I "land" some part of my hand to the model first
that I have much better fine motor control. I use the
heel of my hand if possible (similar to using a computer
mouse) but often find I have to use my little finger or
something like that - and have to use parts of the model
such as the corners or stirrup steps for a "grounding
point".
- Jim


Decal setting solutions

Schuyler Larrabee
 

OK, now "Decal-set" was Champ's solution, was it not?

And "Solva-set," Walthers.

Microscale has a suite of solutions, IIRC.

What about those of us who still have a bunch (aka, a "hoard") of Accucals?
Since Bishop's out of business, who has had what luck with using anything
other than Accu-set? I believe it's no longer available.

SGL





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Re: Unusual routings?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Brown wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the car-service rules. The following is a question. Using an SFRD reefer loaded in Minnesota as an example: consignment to Illinois, where the Santa Fe goes, would be within the rules; but consignment *through* Illinois to somewhere beyond, e.g. Pennsylvania, wouldn't?
You're right that there's a provision to load through and beyond an owner's home district, but that's on the basis that it is routed partly via owner's rails. The Santa Fe in Illinois is not oriented in a direction to help a car moving eastward from Minnesota to Pennsylvania, except by circuitous routing. At least that's my understanding of the rules.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Runs Now Available

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gene Semon wrote:
An A.R.T. book is in the works with Tony. Hopefully it will follow the MDT book.
Yes, the manuscript and photos have been submitted to us. We like the book and do plan to push it forward, but it won't be directly following the MDT book, which is close to final.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Unsual routings?

al_brown03
 

I'm not sure I understand the car-service rules. The following is a question. Using an SFRD reefer loaded in Minnesota as an example: consignment to Illinois, where the Santa Fe goes, would be within the rules; but consignment *through* Illinois to somewhere beyond, e.g. Pennsylvania, wouldn't?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Dec 9, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Tony is doubtless correct that these cars were captured by the local
carrier and loaded for destinations in the east in violation of the
car service rules....
Richard Hendrickson
Richard, an SFRD reefer loaded in Minnesota and consigned to anywhere
in Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee,
Mississippi,
Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, Idaho, Washington, Arkansas --
or to
ANY STATE serviced directly by the Santa Fe -- could be in 100%
compliance
with AAR Car Service Rules as spelled out explicity in every ORER.
(Pages
748-754 of the January 1953 ORER.)
Tim, at the risk of flogging a dead horse, those cars weren't
consigned to any of the places you list. They were consigned to New
York. And that's definitely a violation of the car service rules as
spelled out explicitly, etc.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: Applying Decals

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:36 AM, thiggins_rochester wrote:

I once had Champ solvent ruin decals on a F&C gon and shunned it in
favor of Micro Sol. However, I found that M-S did not work as
aggressively as I liked, leaving the decal visible, even on smooth
surface applications. I went back to the Champ stuff recently for
some Sunshine models (Rail Graphics) and it worked fine, full
strength, multiple applications. Then, I used it on an F&C wagontop
box car. It worked great.
This makes me wonder about shelf life. I didn't mark the purchase
date on either of these solvents, but they're years old. Has anyone
heard of a shelf life for decal solvents?
Tony, decal solvents don't have a "shelf life," as far as I know, but
over time the water in them will evaporate so that they become
stronger. The solution is simple; just add a small amount of
distilled water to return them to their original strength.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Unsual routings?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 9, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Tony is doubtless correct that these cars were captured by the local
carrier and loaded for destinations in the east in violation of the
car service rules....
Richard Hendrickson
Richard, an SFRD reefer loaded in Minnesota and consigned to anywhere
in Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee,
Mississippi,
Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, Idaho, Washington, Arkansas --
or to
ANY STATE serviced directly by the Santa Fe -- could be in 100%
compliance
with AAR Car Service Rules as spelled out explicity in every ORER.
(Pages
748-754 of the January 1953 ORER.)
Tim, at the risk of flogging a dead horse, those cars weren't
consigned to any of the places you list. They were consigned to New
York. And that's definitely a violation of the car service rules as
spelled out explicitly, etc.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Loads...link to AMB; sorry! (UNCLASSIFIED)

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Eldon: What is the structural beam load made from?

KL


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Runs Now Available

mopac1 <mopac1@...>
 

Gentlemen,



Prior to the 1964 color change to orange with the N&W's acquisition the
Wabash, virtually all A.R.T. reefers were painted with yellow sides. Some
do appear to shift towards orange in color photos or as they age & weather.
As Tim mentions, a small class of insulated boxcars assigned to the Wabash
were painted a dark blue. This was short lived, just about a six month
period.



An A.R.T. book is in the works with Tony. Hopefully it will follow the MDT
book.



Gene Semon



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New ART Steel Reefer Runs Now Available



Scott

But then, there's that famous color photo of hundreds of ART reefers
in Grand Junction Colorado in the late 1950's and NOT ONE yellow ART
reefer can be seen. Every one of the cars has a Wabash flag on it.

However, I have seen other, later color photos of ART RBL's that do
appear to be more on the yellow side -- and yet some photos do show
a definite light orange color, and some even show DARK BLUE paint.
Again, these are all Wabash era cars. Personally I'm convinced that
ART was painting everything a light orange color in the 1950's, and
some RBL's may have gotten a lighter color, almost yellow, later.

I agree they went to a deeper orange color when N&W took over.

Maybe after Roger Hinman finishes the MDT book and Bill Welch the
FGE book, someone with the knowledge will write the definitive book
on ART! :-)

Tim O'Connor


And looking at the '60 car, it's got yellow sides, and the photo shows
orange sides.
I think that's fine (if I follow what you're saying)-- 1960 they were still
yellow; after N&W logo replaced Wabash in 1964, orange came in.
Scott Pitzer


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Re: Applying Decals

Tony Higgins
 

I once had Champ solvent ruin decals on a F&C gon and shunned it in favor of Micro Sol. However, I found that M-S did not work as aggressively as I liked, leaving the decal visible, even on smooth surface applications. I went back to the Champ stuff recently for some Sunshine models (Rail Graphics) and it worked fine, full strength, multiple applications. Then, I used it on an F&C wagontop box car. It worked great.
This makes me wonder about shelf life. I didn't mark the purchase date on either of these solvents, but they're years old. Has anyone heard of a shelf life for decal solvents?

Tony Higgins
pittsford, NY

--- In STMFC@..., "marcusphil" <marcusphil@...> wrote:

I prefer Solvaset to Micro Sol, but both work about the same.
What does make a big difference is the decal film. Over their
lifetime Champ and Walthers used different decal films. Today
there are many different products on the market. You have to
experiment to see what works best with the decal you are using.
It is a lot of fun when you are mixing decal suppliers on the
same car. I have also found that wood sheathed cars require different
techniques than steel cars.

Phil Marcus
Modeling 1953 in "O" gage


Re: Loads...link to AMB; sorry! (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: FOUO

Guys;

Hey, I didn't included it, but:


http://www.rgspemkt.com/215-P1.html

and

http://www.rgspemkt.com/206


Sorry!

Elden Gatwood


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: FOUO


Iron Modeler

Clark Propst
 

"Sounds like a modeling challenge ala Iron Chef" Ben Hom

Ben and I talked about having an "Iron Modeler" competition before.

That AHM DD DS model would be a good one.

"You have 8 hours to make this 'thing' into something prototypical...sort of...

Clark Propst


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Runs Now Available

bpe <behni@...>
 

What I'm talking about is this car: http://tinyurl.com/28qfell

If you look at the two photos of models, they have obvious yellow side, yet the prototype photo is obviously orange sides. Seems to me he should have either put a photo of the yellow side car up, or had the cars painted orange.

I'm a LOT less inclined to buy if it looks fishy, especially given Intermountain's well-known color issues.

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Scott

But then, there's that famous color photo of hundreds of ART reefers
in Grand Junction Colorado in the late 1950's and NOT ONE yellow ART
reefer can be seen. Every one of the cars has a Wabash flag on it.

However, I have seen other, later color photos of ART RBL's that do
appear to be more on the yellow side -- and yet some photos do show
a definite light orange color, and some even show DARK BLUE paint.
Again, these are all Wabash era cars. Personally I'm convinced that
ART was painting everything a light orange color in the 1950's, and
some RBL's may have gotten a lighter color, almost yellow, later.

I agree they went to a deeper orange color when N&W took over.

Maybe after Roger Hinman finishes the MDT book and Bill Welch the
FGE book, someone with the knowledge will write the definitive book
on ART! :-)

Tim O'Connor


And looking at the '60 car, it's got yellow sides, and the photo shows
orange sides.
I think that's fine (if I follow what you're saying)-- 1960 they were still yellow; after N&W logo replaced Wabash in 1964, orange came in.
Scott Pitzer


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Runs Now Available

Gary Roe
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor

Maybe after Roger Hinman finishes the MDT book and Bill Welch the
FGE book, someone with the knowledge will write the definitive book
on ART! :-)



Tim,

It's not me; but someone is.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Re: Applying Decals

al_brown03
 

I wick with a Kleenex not a paper towel, and only with the corner.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., dennyanspach <danspach@...> wrote:

I prefer Solvaset to Micro Sol, but both work about the same.
Yes, they certainly do, but Solvaset is much more powerful. Because of this, you have to be very careful with its use on some decal papers (MicroScale comes to mind). At the same time, it is also the setting solution of choice when you really mean business. Even then, I use it only when I am certain that decals are almost dry.

I suspect that Champs Decalset and Walthers Solvaset are similar in action, if not formulation.

Micro Sol does not work very well every time ith either Champ, or older thicker decals. It certainly works well with Microscale, of course.

Applying setting solution is indeed an art- not too early, not too late, not too much, not too little. The real art comes when you can successfully apply the solution with only the solution droplets themselves touching and flowing onto the decal surface- avoiding completely any contact with the brush hairs themselves.

The paper towel wicking that Jim Betz describes is a big help, the only caveat being that it the decal is still "floating" the powerful wicking action of the paper can pull the decal right along with the excess fluid.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento









Re: RDG/ Southern box car questions

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim, you misunderstand the challenge. If I do this project, you're doing it
too. Allez chemin-de-fer!


Ben Hom


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:17 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RDG/ Southern box car questions

 
Ben

Ok, I'll bet you can't turn this sow's ear into a silk purse.
If you lose you have to buy me a beer the next time we meet and
vice versa. And we'll probably have to buy a round for the jury
too.

Tim O'Connor

At 12/9/2010 07:21 PM Thursday, you wrote:
I wrote:
[The AHM 40 ft DS automobile boxcar will] ably fill a niche in a
proto-freelance roster for a road that needs furniture or lumber
cars.
http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/ahmhoscalefreightcars/id70.html
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun37b.pdf
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun55.pdf

Tim O'Connor replied:
"Urf! That's like saying Phyllis Diller can fill in for Angelina Jolie
in a typical girlfriends roster..."

Sounds like a modeling challenge ala Iron Chef - care to put your money
where your pie-hole is?

Ben Hom


Re: Multiple Micro Sol Applications - Thanks

okiemax
 

I want to thank the group members for their responses to my request for advice.
The information has been helpful to me, and I believe it will be helpful in the future to anyone searching for similar information.


Re: RDG/ Southern box car questions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Ok, I'll bet you can't turn this sow's ear into a silk purse. If you lose you have to buy me a beer the next time we meet and
vice versa. And we'll probably have to buy a round for the jury too.
Ben, never bet Tim any beer. Last time I did so, he lost but wouldn't pay up.

Tony Thompson
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937;
e-mail: thompson@...


Re: Unsual routings?

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony is doubtless correct that these cars were captured by the local
carrier and loaded for destinations in the east in violation of the
car service rules....
Richard Hendrickson

Richard, an SFRD reefer loaded in Minnesota and consigned to anywhere
in Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi,
Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, Idaho, Washington, Arkansas -- or to
ANY STATE serviced directly by the Santa Fe -- could be in 100% compliance
with AAR Car Service Rules as spelled out explicity in every ORER. (Pages
748-754 of the January 1953 ORER.)

However, although the above could be in compliance, it generally would
only happen if circumstances existed that allowed it -- like no other
suitable car of more appropriate ownership was available (e.g. there is
a strong preference to send an FGE car back to Florida, or to send a
home road car, rather than send an SFRD).

Tim O'Connor


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Runs Now Available

Tim O'Connor
 

Scott

But then, there's that famous color photo of hundreds of ART reefers
in Grand Junction Colorado in the late 1950's and NOT ONE yellow ART
reefer can be seen. Every one of the cars has a Wabash flag on it.

However, I have seen other, later color photos of ART RBL's that do
appear to be more on the yellow side -- and yet some photos do show
a definite light orange color, and some even show DARK BLUE paint.
Again, these are all Wabash era cars. Personally I'm convinced that
ART was painting everything a light orange color in the 1950's, and
some RBL's may have gotten a lighter color, almost yellow, later.

I agree they went to a deeper orange color when N&W took over.

Maybe after Roger Hinman finishes the MDT book and Bill Welch the
FGE book, someone with the knowledge will write the definitive book
on ART! :-)

Tim O'Connor

And looking at the '60 car, it's got yellow sides, and the photo shows
orange sides.
I think that's fine (if I follow what you're saying)-- 1960 they were still yellow; after N&W logo replaced Wabash in 1964, orange came in.
Scott Pitzer

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