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Re: RDG "Bethlehem Gons" Built in 1941-1942
Bill Kelly
Ed,
A photo of RDG 25953 can be found at this site, http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/gon/rdgaarmain.html Later, Bill Kelly Ed Hawkins wrote: STMFC,____________________________________________________________ Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d09845a2a21cd99d4m02vuc
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Re: Tichy tank car model # 4020
Jim Hayes
Walt, Russ Pinchbeck wrote a good how-to article in the July 2002 RMC. I'll
send you a copy off line. Black Cat makes decals just for this one. Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, <WaltGCox@...> wrote:
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Tichy tank car model # 4020
WaltGCox@...
With typically poor timing I finally bought a six pack of these cars last
month with the intention of building them as CC&F "war emergency" tank cars. Now Abacus models has announced that they will be offering kits of the CC&F car. I would be interested in learning what changes, if any (and no doubt there will be some), need to be made to the Tichy car to accurately model the Canadian car. tia Walt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Pierre wrote:
Now imagine my saying it with my best Frank Oz impression. :-)No need! That's what I heard <g>. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
Now imagine my saying it with my best Frank Oz impression. :-)
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Pierre Oliver
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Patience Young Skywalker, patience.Ah, classical line you are quoting, education may be proceeding.
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Re: Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Patience Young Skywalker, patience.Ah, classical line you are quoting, education may be proceeding. Tony
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Re: Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
I've nothing but patience, and many unfinished STMFC's to build as is. ;) But I look forward to seeing whatever Abacus Models offers in future.
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Re: Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
Patience Young Skywalker, patience.
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Re: Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
Bruce--
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Yes, it is an ambitious list for a start-up. I see many holes in available model STMFC's being filled by their kits. But it'd be nice to see product offered for sale from them. Steve Lucas.
--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Re: Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
On Dec 15, 2010, at 1:13 PM, steve lucas wrote:
Your thoughts on Abacus Models, gentlemen?In addition to the cars listed in the email you forwarded, there are numerous other cars of interest to this list. http://www.abacusmodelworks.com/products.htm Some I'm puzzled over, such as the welded NH flat, which is already been done by Speedwitch. Some I'm really looking forward to, including the READING auto car (can't we get a nice XM though?), the aforementioned CC&F war emergency tank (although you don't need a lot of these <G>), the MDT M4 and some of the Seaboard and M&StL boxes... With no product or prices <G> yet, we'll have to wait and see, but its an ambitious list for a roll-out. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: DT&I gon color (UNCLASSIFIED)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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Caveats: FOUO Thanks, Ed!
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:28 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] DT&I gon color (UNCLASSIFIED) On Dec 15, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote: All my photos show DT&I gons in black, but I could swear I had one inElden, The cars had a circular DT&I emblem, which I believe was 27" in diameter, positioned on the panel adjacent to the right-hand ladder. Regards, Ed Hawkins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: FOUO
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Re: Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
Richard Hendrickson
On Dec 15, 2010, at 11:13 AM, steve lucas wrote:
Your thoughts on Abacus Models, gentlemen?The latter two models are of interest only to Canadian modelers. The CC&F tank cars, however, should be welcomed by modelers below the border because they are essentially identical to the War Emergency tank cars built during WW II by AC&F for the U.S. Army Quartermaster Corps and for Shippers Car Line. Perhaps Abacus can be encouraged to provide decals for the U.S. versions and market these kits to U.S. modelers. Modeling tank cars in resin isn't easy, and I'd like to see photos of the models. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
Paul Lyons
Steve,
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What is there to think? Pierre has not yet produced anything under the Abacus brand yet. I have high hopes that his models will be equal to Speedwitch, or perhaps better. Paul Lyons
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From: steve lucas <stevelucas3@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Wed, Dec 15, 2010 11:13 am Subject: [STMFC] Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc. Your thoughts on Abacus Models, gentlemen? Steve Lucas.. “When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid dissent is frankly when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern.” - Stephen Harper --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Doug Stark <4everwaiting@...> wrote: From: Doug Stark <4everwaiting@...> Subject: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc. To: cdN-frt-cars-n-ops@... Received: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 12:12 AM I have no affiliation whatsoever with this manufacturer, but feel a shout-out is warranted to a new start-up resin manufacturer that out of the gate offers three prototypically correct Canadian offerings - CCF war emergency tank cars: http://www.abacusmodelworks.com/CCF.htm CP ARA standard 1932 boxcar conversion to stock cars: http://www.abacusmodelworks.com/ARA.htm Quebec Cartier Mining 1937 AAR boxcars: http://www.abacusmodelworks.com/Cartier.htm The last one particularly intrigues me - does anyone model the landlocked, non-interchange Quebec mining roads (Cartier, QNSL, Arnaud/Wabush)? They don't seem to get much attention. Atlas/Stewart did offer their C630 in Cartier in HO and N respectively. Conversely, Life-Like/Hobbycraft/Walthers have for years collectively had their heads in the sand in ignoring QNSL newsprint cars to the point of bogus advertising/box copy roadname and production counts which omitted the QNSL cars. Doug Stark From CanModelTrains
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Fw: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc.
steve lucas <stevelucas3@...>
Your thoughts on Abacus Models, gentlemen?
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Steve Lucas.. “When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid dissent is frankly when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern.” - Stephen Harper
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Doug Stark <4everwaiting@...> wrote:
From: Doug Stark <4everwaiting@...> Subject: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] Fwd: Cartier boxcars, etc. To: cdN-frt-cars-n-ops@... Received: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 12:12 AM I have no affiliation whatsoever with this manufacturer, but feel a shout-out is warranted to a new start-up resin manufacturer that out of the gate offers three prototypically correct Canadian offerings - CCF war emergency tank cars: http://www.abacusmodelworks.com/CCF.htm CP ARA standard 1932 boxcar conversion to stock cars: http://www.abacusmodelworks.com/ARA.htm Quebec Cartier Mining 1937 AAR boxcars: http://www.abacusmodelworks.com/Cartier.htm The last one particularly intrigues me - does anyone model the landlocked, non-interchange Quebec mining roads (Cartier, QNSL, Arnaud/Wabush)? They don't seem to get much attention. Atlas/Stewart did offer their C630 in Cartier in HO and N respectively. Conversely, Life-Like/Hobbycraft/Walthers have for years collectively had their heads in the sand in ignoring QNSL newsprint cars to the point of bogus advertising/box copy roadname and production counts which omitted the QNSL cars. Doug Stark From CanModelTrains
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Re: DT&I gon color
Ed Hawkins
On Dec 14, 2010, at 11:41 PM, cef39us wrote:
Were the DT&I 7000 series gons painted freight car red duringChet, The only paint specs I have located for DT&I gondola cars were for series 9100-9299, built 7-52, AC&F lot no. 3607. Entire car painted black with white stencils. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: DT&I gon color
dennyanspach <danspach@...>
In a personal communication with Jim Hediger at MODEL RAILROADER (Jim is a well known DT&I modeler, and I believe his family worked for the DT&I), Jim -with his permission- states the following:
The DT&I 41-foot drop-end gons were series 7000-7299 (300 cars).Jim goes on to argue pretty strongly that the cars were probably never painted FCR during the era of our interest, and that arguments to the contrary (divining "color" from b&w photos) are not strong enough to act upon. Confirmatory color photos of these cars are yet still to be found. Denny S. Anspach MD Sacramento [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RDG "Bethlehem Gons" Built in 1941-1942
Ed Hawkins
STMFC,
Reading had 4 series of 52'-6" drop-end gondola cars (railroad classes GHH and GHJ) built in equal numbers (500 each) by Bethlehem Steel Co. or by the railroad in 1941-1942. The car no. series were 25900-25999, 26000-26099, 26100-26499, and 26500-26899. There was also a single GHH car numbered 27000 built by BSC in 1944. I have located just one pre-1960 photograph of cars from these series, 25903 (obtained from Rich Burg), which shows the use of drop ends having straight corrugations like those used on the very similar B&O O-59 and O-59A cars. Can anyone confirm that all 1,000 of these RDG gondola cars had the same original drop ends with straight corrugations? Also, is there any evidence that the original drop ends were ever replaced with Dreadnaught or Improved Dreadnaught drop ends during the 1940s-1950s? The identity of additional pre-1960 photo sources for cars in series 25900-26899 will also be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: DT&I gon color (UNCLASSIFIED)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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Caveats: FOUO Chet; All my photos show DT&I gons in black, but I could swear I had one in red; like PRR FCC shade red. Ed; Were those DT&I "G31 clones" (9100-9299) painted originally in the billboard DT&I with small compass centered scheme, or did that come later? Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:08 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] DT&I gon color On Dec 14, 2010, at 11:41 PM, cef39us wrote: Were the DT&I 7000 series gons painted freight car red duringChet, The only paint specs I have located for DT&I gondola cars were for series 9100-9299, built 7-52, AC&F lot no. 3607. Entire car painted black with white stencils. Regards, Ed Hawkins Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: FOUO
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DT&I gon color
cef39us <cfrench@...>
Gentlemen,
Were the DT&I 7000 series gons painted freight car red during their entire life, or were they painted black during some period. I am mainly interested in 1951. I knew they were FCR in the late 1950's and into the 60's, but in looking at photos I thought that perhaps they were black during a period in the 1940's leading into the 1950's. TIA Chet French Dixon, IL
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Re: Bethlehem Steel
David
--- In STMFC@..., Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
As mentioned earlier, Bethlehem's main freight car facility was the Cambria plant in Johnstown, PA. Corporate simplification in the early 1920s brought about the dba change from Cambria to Bethlehem, after a brief stint as Midvale in the Spring of 1923. There were other occasional examples, such as TC&I in the 1920s, ASF right around 1900, and IIRC one of the Canadian builders was affiliated with a steel company. In general though, the steel companies didn't want to directly involve themselves in the feast-or-famine carbuilding business. David Thompson
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