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Re: A different tank car question

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

But how is the caption for that photo?

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson

The lettering scheme looks like a photo on page 6, volume 2 in Richard Henderson's Classic Freight Cars series.
Please, Brian. The Henderson who edited the Classic Freight Car Series was JOHN Henderson. And valuable as those books are for the photos they contain, I don't want there to be the least possibility that anyone will confuse John Henderson with me, as the captions are often atrocities, full of errors, mis-information, and mis- interpretation. I am happy to say that I had, and have, no connection whatever with the books in that series.

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Re: Semet Solvay Tank Car at A&#92;shland KY . . . again

water.kresse@...
 

In a message from George Wolfford, retired Ashland Kentucky newspaper reporter and friends of many local railroad and chem industry retirees got responses mostly saying that security was so tight around the old Semet-Solvay (later Allied Chem, and later A-K Steel Co) coke plant in Asland that they knew there were cars in the plant but rarely knew road numbers and markings but guested they were un-advertised plain lease cars.



Relative to the discussion -



1.  Charles E. Montague III, dentist and rail buff who regularly takes numbers from cars passing through Ashland.  Says he never took numbers off cars on Solvay lot, pointing out how secure the plant was.  He was aware of the cars inside the plant and suggests the C&O Historical Society as a source.


2.  Lon Venters, retired locomotive engineer with the Big Sandy Run, says he took such cars up to Ashland Oil refinery, but more often than not they were C&O cars, not labeled Solvay.



3.  Jim Stapleton, retired Ashland Oil refinery (just down th line from the coke plant) product supervisor, says the tank cars brought a single byproduct, COAL TAR LIGHT OIL, from which Ashland OiI extracted benzene and napthalene (mothballs).  [George recalled once taking a crew of Naval Reservists to use AOI's firefighting mockup at the refinery and it was just downwind from the mothball plant].  Jim says that most transfers are made by tanker-truck semis with three or four trucks equaling one tank car.



I believe Ashland Oil leased GATX tank cars?




Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:26:30 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Semet Solvay Tank Car with platform in Photo Section

Tom:

I can say with great confidence and authority a pattern is in process for this platform along with photoetched parts for the corner posts, support brackets, and decals to do this car and another group of cars owned by E.I.Du Pont de Nemours & Co.

Patience will be rewarded.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <tmolsen@...> wrote:

Mike,

Whose platform did you use in doing the Solvay car?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: New resin kit for Hart Ballast cars...

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I know that the GTW had some. Mainline Modeler ran an article on these cars along with Robert Smith HO scale CAD drawings in the March, 1989 issue.

The GTW cars were built September, 1927, numbers 94000-94999. They had four doors per side, and are thus a scratch-building project for now.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "robertm" <robertmoeller47@...> wrote:

With Canadian National ownership of the Central Vermont, Grand Trunk and Grand Trunk Western as well as other railroads, did Rodgers Hart Convertible cars make it onto these railroads as well?

Bob Moeller

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jriddell@> wrote:

Rodgers Hart Convertible cars were very popular with railways in Canada. A large number were in service. The June 1921 ORER lists the following railways owning Hart cars with approximately 4' inside height, 34'-8 inside length, very close to the new kit:
Canadian National (940), Grand Trunk Pacific (300), Canadian Government Railways (400) and Canadian Northern (249).
John Riddell


Re: New resin kit for Hart Ballast cars...

npin53
 

Upon further Investigation, the NP Hart cars are different. There is one fewer side panels. One survives in WA.

The NP equipped a rather large number of these with rollers, and used them in long consists to transport welded rail.

I could pass on pictures if anyone is interested.

Aaron


Re: A different tank car question

Richard Townsend
 

Brian,

Thanks so much. I figured someone out there in the throbbing brain of steam era freight cars listers would know. Now to figure out the design of the car, how to model it, and where to get decals.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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From: brianleppert@att.net <brianleppert@att.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 9:23 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: A different tank car question






Richard,

I'm pretty sure that the tank car is lettered for J. R. Simplot Co.

The lettering scheme looks like a photo on page 6, volume 2 in Richard Henderson's Classic Freight Cars series.

On the right side is a red diamond with "SIMPLOT" across the top and "LIQUID FERTILIZER" across the bottom. There are three lines of lettering on the left side: "J.R.SIMPLOT CO.", "MINERALS AND CHEMICAL DIVISION", AND "POCATELLO, IDAHO". Below these are GATX reporting marks.

These all seem to match the blurry, unlegible lettering seen in Darwin's book.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@... wrote:

I was just paging through Darwin's "History of the Union Pacific Railroad in Cheyenne." On page 169 there is a 1959 Jim Ehrenberger photo of a tank car in a very short CB&Q train east of Cheyenne. I am trying to identify the car. It looks like an unusually large car (large diameter), with a very large dome (large diameter, not height) surrounded by a platform. The ladder to the platform goes straight up, with no bend at the handrail. The color of the tank is light, probably white. On the right side of the tank (not necessarily relative to the B end, but to the right as you look squarely at the side of the tank) is an apparently solid dark logo, perhaps in a diamond shape. There are words extending across the logo at both the top and the bottom and they extend beyond the edges of the (possible) diamond. The top word might be "SALT." Might not. There also are words on the left side of the tank, possibly four words and abbreviations that mi ght end with "OIL CO." Might not.


Anybody have a clue about this car?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon






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Re: A different tank car question

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 21, 2010, at 9:23 AM, brianleppert@att.net wrote:

I'm pretty sure that the tank car is lettered for J. R. Simplot Co.

The lettering scheme looks like a photo on page 6, volume 2 in
Richard Henderson's Classic Freight Cars series.
Please, Brian. The Henderson who edited the Classic Freight Car
Series was JOHN Henderson. And valuable as those books are for the
photos they contain, I don't want there to be the least possibility
that anyone will confuse John Henderson with me, as the captions are
often atrocities, full of errors, mis-information, and mis-
interpretation. I am happy to say that I had, and have, no
connection whatever with the books in that series.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: A different tank car question

brianleppert@att.net
 

Richard,

I'm pretty sure that the tank car is lettered for J. R. Simplot Co.

The lettering scheme looks like a photo on page 6, volume 2 in Richard Henderson's Classic Freight Cars series.

On the right side is a red diamond with "SIMPLOT" across the top and "LIQUID FERTILIZER" across the bottom. There are three lines of lettering on the left side: "J.R.SIMPLOT CO.", "MINERALS AND CHEMICAL DIVISION", AND "POCATELLO, IDAHO". Below these are GATX reporting marks.

These all seem to match the blurry, unlegible lettering seen in Darwin's book.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@... wrote:

I was just paging through Darwin's "History of the Union Pacific Railroad in Cheyenne." On page 169 there is a 1959 Jim Ehrenberger photo of a tank car in a very short CB&Q train east of Cheyenne. I am trying to identify the car. It looks like an unusually large car (large diameter), with a very large dome (large diameter, not height) surrounded by a platform. The ladder to the platform goes straight up, with no bend at the handrail. The color of the tank is light, probably white. On the right side of the tank (not necessarily relative to the B end, but to the right as you look squarely at the side of the tank) is an apparently solid dark logo, perhaps in a diamond shape. There are words extending across the logo at both the top and the bottom and they extend beyond the edges of the (possible) diamond. The top word might be "SALT." Might not. There also are words on the left side of the tank, possibly four words and abbreviations that might end with "OIL CO." Might not.


Anybody have a clue about this car?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: New resin kit for Hart Ballast cars...

robertm
 

With Canadian National ownership of the Central Vermont, Grand Trunk and Grand Trunk Western as well as other railroads, did Rodgers Hart Convertible cars make it onto these railroads as well?

Bob Moeller

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jriddell@...> wrote:

Rodgers Hart Convertible cars were very popular with railways in Canada. A large number were in service. The June 1921 ORER lists the following railways owning Hart cars with approximately 4' inside height, 34'-8 inside length, very close to the new kit:
Canadian National (940), Grand Trunk Pacific (300), Canadian Government Railways (400) and Canadian Northern (249).
John Riddell


Booking a room for Cocoa Beach

Bill Welch
 

I just called the Hilton and when they answered the phone I asked for Group Sales. I was connected to an actual person and made my reservation at the group rate quickly.

Bill Welch


Re: The Keystone Modeler No 75 (Autumn 2010)

Bill Welch
 

People like to tease PRR modelers with expressions like SPF. Just a quick scan of the TKM shows that there are some really fine modelers among the PRR's fans that teach and challenge us all. Well done to all involved in this group!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

The latest issue of TKM is online at
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm
featuring the following articles:

PRR'S P5A ELECTRIC MOTOR IN S-SCALE by Keith Thompson
BUILDING "HARRIS" TOWER by Ed Swain
SCRATCHBUILDING THE F24 FLATCAR by David J. Vinci
DESIGNING AND BUILDING PRR TRACK by Todd Sullivan
MODELING AN H6SB IN N-SCALE by Claus Schlund


Ben Hom


Re: New resin kit for Hart Ballast cars...

Earl Tuson
 

In case anyone is compiling a list of Hart Ballast car owners...

The B&M had two series of such cars. Cars 8900-8999 were 34' IL, 4' IH WUF cars built by ACF in 1907. They came
back to ACF for 100 SUF 40' cars (4'4" IH) in 1923, numbered 9100-9199. Class card diagrams are available.

Earl Tuson


The Keystone Modeler No 75 (Autumn 2010)

Benjamin Hom
 

The latest issue of TKM is online at
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm
featuring the following articles:

PRR'S P5A ELECTRIC MOTOR IN S-SCALE by Keith Thompson
BUILDING "HARRIS" TOWER by Ed Swain
SCRATCHBUILDING THE F24 FLATCAR by David J. Vinci
DESIGNING AND BUILDING PRR TRACK by Todd Sullivan
MODELING AN H6SB IN N-SCALE by Claus Schlund


Ben Hom


Re: Shameless Self Promotion for Cocoa Beach

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill Welch says:

Thanks Jeff!
That's why we pay him so much. I'm thinking of giving him a special bouns this yr...say half as much as his salary. Hint: 0 X anything = 0.

Mike Brock...Just a benevolent boss I guess...


Dearborn Station Chicago

Paul Hillman
 

A bit OT, but;

Does anyone on the group know of any photos showing the Dearborn Station in Chicago, where the C&WI interlocking tower is shown, and the substructure / support columns of the Roosevelt Road Bridge / overpass are clearly shown coming into the station, circa early 1950's - 1960?

This info is vitally important for modeling the scenery in which our STMFC cars will occupy and traverse.

Anyone with any info can contact me off list.

Thank you very much,

Paul Hillman


Shameless Self Promotion for Cocoa Beach

Bill Welch
 

With Jeff's help I have added another clinic for Cocoa Beach. As I
developed my clinic "The FGE/WFE/BRE Mechanical Fleet: 1949-1957" I
was going to briefly discuss the FGE and WFE overhead bunker cars. I
decided as I proceeded to de-couple the two as I was worried about
length. Jeff has given me a slot on Thursday night for "FGE & WFE
Overhead Bunker Refrigerator Cars."

Thanks Jeff!

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: Cocoa Beach Hilton hint

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Tom Madden writes:


Just made my reservations for Prototype Rails. If any of you are also procrastinators, when you call the hotel, ask for Group Sales. Don't let the person answering pass you on to central reservations, or refer you to the Hilton web site. Both of those say no rooms are available, but Group Reservations has rooms available for P. Rails.
OK, I just talked with my Hilton interface. The Hilton doesn't really have a reservation dept. Reservations are done at a central location. Room rates are, however, controlled by the hotel. Prototype Rails has a block of rooms available at a $99 rate for any day in the week prior to and after the meet. Each day's block number is, however, different, Thursday, Friday and Saturday being the largest. The central reservation operation somehow manages to get screwed up every yr. I just had my Hilton rep try to make a reservation for Thursday through Sat and central reservations said there were no rooms left for Thursday. He then checked with the hotel and we still have rooms available in our Thursday block. I WILL be in contact with the hotel tommorrow to get this straightened out. Some people call this computerized mess progress. Here's the important part. If you ask for a reservation during our block period and the room is what the Hilton calls a Cocoa or Standard room, you will get the $99 rate no matter what the reservation people say. So, it is easier to just take what they offer...probably $139...and let me know and I'll have it changed to $99. It does not matter when you do that...even during the meet.

Mike Brock...sigh, running an RPM meet is simple


WFEX Truss Rod Ice Car

gary laakso
 

Reference Sheet No. 306 in the Dec Great Northern Railway Historical Society features a 1947a partial picture of truss rod WFEX 61543 painted a dark color with white lettering. The rood detail in the picture is not the best but it appears to be a wood roof. Behind the 0-8-0 switcher moving it is a NYC express reefer in Wenatchee, Washington. This is the first picture i have come across of a WFEX ice service car.


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net


Cocoa Beach Hilton hint

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Just made my reservations for Prototype Rails. If any of you are also procrastinators, when you call the hotel, ask for Group Sales. Don't let the person answering pass you on to central reservations, or refer you to the Hilton web site. Both of those say no rooms are available, but Group Reservations has rooms available for P. Rails.

Tom Madden


Re: Champlin Refining tank car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Based on" prototype is a slippery phrase.
Good point, Tim. After all, toy trains are BASED on the prototype--
except maybe the giraffe car <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Champlin Refining tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

"Based on" prototype is a slippery phrase. No disrepect to Tom, I have
many of his decal sets, but errors or mistaken prototype references are
very common -- It's good to have backup. Trust, but verify. Etc. :-)

Tim O'Connor

Write a note to Tom at Oddballs. Al of his decals are based on prototype,
so he can give you some info.
Kent in KC

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Glow <jerryglow@...> wrote:

Oddballs has a decal set for Champlin Refining see:
http://mopac1.tripod.com/103.gif Is it accurate and what would be the
appropriate car to use?

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