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Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

Benjamin Hom
 

Al Kresse asked:
"Do these cars have as built Blackall folding lever hand brakes or updated
vertical staff with horizonal wheel hand brakes?  Do they have three tie rods? "

Take a look at Randy's photos - they illustrate the answers to your questions
quite nicely.


Ben Hom


Re: New resin kit for Hart Ballast cars...

Jack Burgess
 

If anyone wants scans of those Hart cars, e-mail me directly at
jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com

Jack


Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

water.kresse@...
 

Do these cars have as built Blackall folding lever hand brakes or updated vertical staff with horizonal wheel hand brakes?  Do they have three tie rods?



MTH images only show the A-ends.  C&O AMC Roman livery appears to be representative.  C&O eventually went to AB brakes but not powered gear hand brakes . . even into 1954.

Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "rhammill" <nhrr@the-hammills.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:46:04 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

Hey, Jerry -

I sort of understand your point. I'd like an undec version (or a kit would even be better).

On the other hand, with my limited knowledge of these prototypes as delivered, they've produced what appears to be an accurate model, with separately applied details, and even got the mix of paint schemes and appropriate brake gear. So I'd say they did a pretty good job of trying to cater to the prototype modelers.

What puzzles me is why they'd make an accurate model of an early prototype. In reading the few posts about the reefer, it's also an early prototype, instead of a rebuilt version that would be much more likely to be purchased by a wider audience.

So in my assessment they ended up catering to a very small subset of prototype modelers.

Here's a list of the road names released:
What MTH is listing as accurate:
CCC&StL
C&O
Clinchfield
NYC
PRR

What MTH says is not prototypically accurate:
B&O
CNW
CRP
D&RGW
ERIE
L&NE
MILW
N&W
P&WV
UP
WM

Would any of the roads they list as inaccurate be correct if they had AB Brakes?

Randy


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, jerryglow@... wrote:

Thanks for going the extra effort. I'm not about to strip a model that finely detailed so unless they offer my road (MP) or undec, I'll pass. I can't believe they would do ficticious roads but not cater to prototype modelers. I guess, once a toy train company, the habit is hard to break.

Jerry Glow



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Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

Randy Hammill
 

Hey, Jerry -

I sort of understand your point. I'd like an undec version (or a kit would even be better).

On the other hand, with my limited knowledge of these prototypes as delivered, they've produced what appears to be an accurate model, with separately applied details, and even got the mix of paint schemes and appropriate brake gear. So I'd say they did a pretty good job of trying to cater to the prototype modelers.

What puzzles me is why they'd make an accurate model of an early prototype. In reading the few posts about the reefer, it's also an early prototype, instead of a rebuilt version that would be much more likely to be purchased by a wider audience.

So in my assessment they ended up catering to a very small subset of prototype modelers.

Here's a list of the road names released:
What MTH is listing as accurate:
CCC&StL
C&O
Clinchfield
NYC
PRR

What MTH says is not prototypically accurate:
B&O
CNW
CRP
D&RGW
ERIE
L&NE
MILW
N&W
P&WV
UP
WM

Would any of the roads they list as inaccurate be correct if they had AB Brakes?

Randy

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, jerryglow@... wrote:

Thanks for going the extra effort. I'm not about to strip a model that finely detailed so unless they offer my road (MP) or undec, I'll pass. I can't believe they would do ficticious roads but not cater to prototype modelers. I guess, once a toy train company, the habit is hard to break.

Jerry Glow


Re: Motrak car loads

bpe <behni@...>
 

Anise seeds. Only problem is they attract mice, and smell like licorice.

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, William Keene <wakeene@...> wrote:

Hello Group,

Going from memory here... so this may be reality... then again...

I somewhat remember an article in one of the model mags about modeling sugar beet loads. I think it was in a past issue of The WARBONNET of the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society. It may have been in the 3rd quarter of 2005 issue -- Vol. 11, No. 3.

Hope this is of some help.

Happy Modeling & Happy Holidays,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:02 AM, water.kresse@... wrote:



Glue together some bird seed and paint them purple-brown and dirt.

Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "PaDanby" <n6nvr@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:15:18 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Motrak car loads

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "PaDanby" <n6nvr@> wrote:

I've had a few people recommend contacting Motrak for sugar beet loads for my sugar beet cars. Unfortunately, I'm not having much luck finding anything current about them. Does anybody know if they are still in business, maybe under another name? or are they no longer with us?
Thanks for all the assistance. Looks like I'm going to have to do my own beets.

John

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Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

Randy Hammill
 

Hi, Ken -

I didn't pay too much attention to the finish, simply because of the early paint scheme and my plan to try to strip it. The finger print was funny, I didn't even see it until I looked at the picture. It was almost impossible to see on the model, it's pretty impressive that the camera picked it up.

I was able to clean it off, so it's not a permanent finger print. I suspect it was mine, but I didn't compare it to my fingers so I can't be 100 sure.

The only real assembly flaw I noticed later is that the hole for the brake lever comes through to the inside of the hopper. It looks like a little too much solvent was used because you can see daylight through the hole, and it's a little sloppy. It's not noticeable from the outside since the hand lever is in front of it. It should be an easy thing to fix, but I would certainly agree that you shouldn't have to.

I still find it odd that they did the delivery scheme and K brakes, though. A lot of roads built clones of these cars, didn't they? I would think there would be a lot more options for paint schemes with AB brakes.

I looked a little more closely at the way these are assembled, and it will not be easy to make modifications.

The center sill, bolsters (which includes a weight between the bolsters and hoppers) and the bracing that goes from the bolster to the corners is a single cast metal piece. There are two screws in the weight behind the bolsters that attach it to the car body. But in order to remove the center sill you'd have to remove all of the Wine door latching mechanisms (the latch, and the various angle bracing parts). In addition, the air hoses/trainline is a single piece. The trainline is glued to the bottom of the car body, as well as to the end sills which are cast as part of the car body. So this will also need to be removed to take the center sill out.

The brake gear is glued to the center sill casting and the car body. This includes the retainer line which is wire, and runs from the K brake cylinder and all the way to the retainer in a single piece. It's glued at both ends.

Ideally, you would be able to remove the center sill, and the brake gear would be attached to that so you could then replace it with AB brake gear. Then you could strip/repaint the body. So it won't be that simple.

So, this certainly makes it much less of a choice for those modeling in the later steam era, at least in terms of upgrading the brake gear. If you're modeling an era where you can use this out of the box it still looks like a really good model to me. For those of us modeling later years, I hope this does well enough that they'll produce a later version as well.

Which leads me to another question. I don't know anybody who carries MTH HO models. But they've got a sizeable amount of product in their HO catalogs. I give them credit for this, because it appears they've really committed to an HO scale product line. But who are they selling it to?

Randy

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ken_olson54022" <kwolson@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rhammill" <nhrr@> wrote:

Photos are here for now: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16761215@N02/sets/72157625651838888/

Randy
Thanks, Randy.
It's bothersome that it appears that the paint is already chipping on the hand grabs, and there is evidence of a finger print on the end.
Can you tell us if the fingerprint is yours, or if it came that way? Worst case situation would be a print etched into the paint because of solvent or adhesive on someone's finger during assembly.

Thanks,
Ken Olson


Re: Motrak car loads

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Group,

Going from memory here... so this may be reality... then again...

I somewhat remember an article in one of the model mags about modeling sugar beet loads. I think it was in a past issue of The WARBONNET of the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society. It may have been in the 3rd quarter of 2005 issue -- Vol. 11, No. 3.

Hope this is of some help.

Happy Modeling & Happy Holidays,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:02 AM, water.kresse@comcast.net wrote:



Glue together some bird seed and paint them purple-brown and dirt.

Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "PaDanby" <n6nvr@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:15:18 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Motrak car loads

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "PaDanby" <n6nvr@...> wrote:

I've had a few people recommend contacting Motrak for sugar beet loads for my sugar beet cars. Unfortunately, I'm not having much luck finding anything current about them. Does anybody know if they are still in business, maybe under another name? or are they no longer with us?
Thanks for all the assistance. Looks like I'm going to have to do my own beets.

John

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Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Guys,
The MTH USRA hopper photos have been approved and should be in the STMFC photo section shortly.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Motrak car loads

water.kresse@...
 

Glue together some bird seed and paint them purple-brown and dirt.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "PaDanby" <n6nvr@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:15:18 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Motrak car loads



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "PaDanby" <n6nvr@...> wrote:

I've had a few people recommend contacting Motrak for sugar beet loads for my sugar beet cars.  Unfortunately, I'm not having much luck finding anything current about them.  Does anybody know if they are still in business, maybe under another name?  or are they no longer with us?

Thanks for all the assistance.  Looks like I'm going to have to do my own beets.

John



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

jerryglow2
 

Thanks for going the extra effort. I'm not about to strip a model that finely detailed so unless they offer my road (MP) or undec, I'll pass. I can't believe they would do ficticious roads but not cater to prototype modelers. I guess, once a toy train company, the habit is hard to break.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rhammill" <nhrr@...> wrote:

Yep, I figured I'd post them here so folks wouldn't have to leave the site. I didn't realize they wouldn't be available right away.

I'm not sure if I'll get a chance before Christmas, but I'll try to pull together a better review and pictures to post on my site. I'm very interested to know what others think about the models.

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com


Kingan's Meats

Larry Sexton
 

Does anyone know the colors used for the Kingan's Meat reefers for their ads
up to and including WWII or on their billboard reefers?



Larry Sexton



_,_._,___


Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

ken_olson54022 <kwolson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rhammill" <nhrr@...> wrote:

Photos are here for now: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16761215@N02/sets/72157625651838888/

Randy
Thanks, Randy.
It's bothersome that it appears that the paint is already chipping on the hand grabs, and there is evidence of a finger print on the end.
Can you tell us if the fingerprint is yours, or if it came that way? Worst case situation would be a print etched into the paint because of solvent or adhesive on someone's finger during assembly.

Thanks,
Ken Olson


Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

Randy Hammill
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rhammill" <nhrr@...> wrote:

Yep, I figured I'd post them here so folks wouldn't have to leave the site. I didn't realize they wouldn't be available right away.

I'm not sure if I'll get a chance before Christmas, but I'll try to pull together a better review and pictures to post on my site. I'm very interested to know what others think about the models.

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, jerryglow@ wrote:

I had the same problem locating them. I think he posted them in the photos section here but they haven't "passed inspection" yet as the folder is empty.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@> wrote:

Dear Randy

Are your photos posted somewhere. I tried your website and if they are there I could not find them. Thank you for your review.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rhammill" <nhrr@> wrote:

Well, since I hadn't seen anybody posting on these, I was wondering how well they were done. So I picked one up. I had to special order it, since none of the shops in my area carry MTH HO models.

I am certainly not an expert on these cars. From what I've read here and elsewhere, the complaints for the existing models are:

1. The side center side panels on the Tichy hopper are too wide, and thus all of the ribs are moved too close to the ends

2. The Accurail ones are very accurate, but have molded on details

So I was hopeful that this model would be as accurate as Accurail, but have the fidelity of detail as the Tichy. And as far as I can tell, they have.

I've added a gallery of a few pictures to let you judge for yourselves. I stacked an Accurail hopper on top of this one, and although I didn't quite get them centered, you can see the ribs and panels are pretty much identical. In fact, in terms of the body itself, it looks like it's almost a copy of the Accurail. I don't know if that speaks to the accuracy of both models, or if they copied the Accurail one (and yes, I know their ads show a picture of the Accurail).

The double rivet line along the bottom is a little closer together, and the rivets for where the two hoppers meet in the center are at a slightly lower angle. The interior rivet detail is pretty much the same as the Accurail - that is there is no rivet detail on the interio of the sides, just the slope sheets.

The interior does have a center brace that is snapped into place, and there are two additional cross beams that the modeler installs. They snap into place as well, but it's loose and they have a tendency to rotate, so I'll glue them. These extra cross bearers are not shown in the pictures I took (I hadn't found them yet).

The end detail is great. All grabs are wire and there are wire uncoupling levers. The train line and air hoses are plastic. The Wine latches have rods that connect to the mechanism between the two hoppers on each side. There are no brake levers.

The brake detail looks very good. It looks 'right' to me, I don't know if it's accurate. The surprising thing to me, though, is that it's a K-brake system. It includes piping to the retainer valve, and between the brake components. It includes a dirt collector, the connection to the train line, and the main brake lever.

It weighs 2 oz without the plastic coal load which adds another 1/8 oz. The center sill is metal, and additional metal weight is squeezed in between the two hopper bays, and between the hoppers and the bolsters.

They have released them in various delivery schemes appropriate for K-brakes, as well as non-prototypical schemes. But they are notating these with their "Imagination and Fun" logo, an orange circle with an 'I' in it. The non-prototypical schemes product numbers start with 81-, so they'll be easy to avoid.

So I'm happy with the quality of the models. I will have to see how easy it is to strip and refinish them in a later paint scheme.

Aside from hearing what others think about the models, what I'm curious about is:

Would any of these still have K-brakes circa 1947-1953, which is when I'm modeling. I've asked MTH if they have plans to release later paint schemes with AB brakes, I'll keep you posted. In the meantime, take a look at the pictures and let me know what you all think. I can take more if needed.

And no, I have no affiliation with MTH. In fact, this is the first product of theirs that I've purchased.

Thanks!

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

Randy Hammill
 

Yep, I figured I'd post them here so folks wouldn't have to leave the site. I didn't realize they wouldn't be available right away.

I'm not sure if I'll get a chance before Christmas, but I'll try to pull together a better review and pictures to post on my site. I'm very interested to know what others think about the models.

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, jerryglow@... wrote:

I had the same problem locating them. I think he posted them in the photos section here but they haven't "passed inspection" yet as the folder is empty.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@> wrote:

Dear Randy

Are your photos posted somewhere. I tried your website and if they are there I could not find them. Thank you for your review.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rhammill" <nhrr@> wrote:

Well, since I hadn't seen anybody posting on these, I was wondering how well they were done. So I picked one up. I had to special order it, since none of the shops in my area carry MTH HO models.

I am certainly not an expert on these cars. From what I've read here and elsewhere, the complaints for the existing models are:

1. The side center side panels on the Tichy hopper are too wide, and thus all of the ribs are moved too close to the ends

2. The Accurail ones are very accurate, but have molded on details

So I was hopeful that this model would be as accurate as Accurail, but have the fidelity of detail as the Tichy. And as far as I can tell, they have.

I've added a gallery of a few pictures to let you judge for yourselves. I stacked an Accurail hopper on top of this one, and although I didn't quite get them centered, you can see the ribs and panels are pretty much identical. In fact, in terms of the body itself, it looks like it's almost a copy of the Accurail. I don't know if that speaks to the accuracy of both models, or if they copied the Accurail one (and yes, I know their ads show a picture of the Accurail).

The double rivet line along the bottom is a little closer together, and the rivets for where the two hoppers meet in the center are at a slightly lower angle. The interior rivet detail is pretty much the same as the Accurail - that is there is no rivet detail on the interio of the sides, just the slope sheets.

The interior does have a center brace that is snapped into place, and there are two additional cross beams that the modeler installs. They snap into place as well, but it's loose and they have a tendency to rotate, so I'll glue them. These extra cross bearers are not shown in the pictures I took (I hadn't found them yet).

The end detail is great. All grabs are wire and there are wire uncoupling levers. The train line and air hoses are plastic. The Wine latches have rods that connect to the mechanism between the two hoppers on each side. There are no brake levers.

The brake detail looks very good. It looks 'right' to me, I don't know if it's accurate. The surprising thing to me, though, is that it's a K-brake system. It includes piping to the retainer valve, and between the brake components. It includes a dirt collector, the connection to the train line, and the main brake lever.

It weighs 2 oz without the plastic coal load which adds another 1/8 oz. The center sill is metal, and additional metal weight is squeezed in between the two hopper bays, and between the hoppers and the bolsters.

They have released them in various delivery schemes appropriate for K-brakes, as well as non-prototypical schemes. But they are notating these with their "Imagination and Fun" logo, an orange circle with an 'I' in it. The non-prototypical schemes product numbers start with 81-, so they'll be easy to avoid.

So I'm happy with the quality of the models. I will have to see how easy it is to strip and refinish them in a later paint scheme.

Aside from hearing what others think about the models, what I'm curious about is:

Would any of these still have K-brakes circa 1947-1953, which is when I'm modeling. I've asked MTH if they have plans to release later paint schemes with AB brakes, I'll keep you posted. In the meantime, take a look at the pictures and let me know what you all think. I can take more if needed.

And no, I have no affiliation with MTH. In fact, this is the first product of theirs that I've purchased.

Thanks!

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

jerryglow2
 

I had the same problem locating them. I think he posted them in the photos section here but they haven't "passed inspection" yet as the folder is empty.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Dear Randy

Are your photos posted somewhere. I tried your website and if they are there I could not find them. Thank you for your review.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rhammill" <nhrr@> wrote:

Well, since I hadn't seen anybody posting on these, I was wondering how well they were done. So I picked one up. I had to special order it, since none of the shops in my area carry MTH HO models.

I am certainly not an expert on these cars. From what I've read here and elsewhere, the complaints for the existing models are:

1. The side center side panels on the Tichy hopper are too wide, and thus all of the ribs are moved too close to the ends

2. The Accurail ones are very accurate, but have molded on details

So I was hopeful that this model would be as accurate as Accurail, but have the fidelity of detail as the Tichy. And as far as I can tell, they have.

I've added a gallery of a few pictures to let you judge for yourselves. I stacked an Accurail hopper on top of this one, and although I didn't quite get them centered, you can see the ribs and panels are pretty much identical. In fact, in terms of the body itself, it looks like it's almost a copy of the Accurail. I don't know if that speaks to the accuracy of both models, or if they copied the Accurail one (and yes, I know their ads show a picture of the Accurail).

The double rivet line along the bottom is a little closer together, and the rivets for where the two hoppers meet in the center are at a slightly lower angle. The interior rivet detail is pretty much the same as the Accurail - that is there is no rivet detail on the interio of the sides, just the slope sheets.

The interior does have a center brace that is snapped into place, and there are two additional cross beams that the modeler installs. They snap into place as well, but it's loose and they have a tendency to rotate, so I'll glue them. These extra cross bearers are not shown in the pictures I took (I hadn't found them yet).

The end detail is great. All grabs are wire and there are wire uncoupling levers. The train line and air hoses are plastic. The Wine latches have rods that connect to the mechanism between the two hoppers on each side. There are no brake levers.

The brake detail looks very good. It looks 'right' to me, I don't know if it's accurate. The surprising thing to me, though, is that it's a K-brake system. It includes piping to the retainer valve, and between the brake components. It includes a dirt collector, the connection to the train line, and the main brake lever.

It weighs 2 oz without the plastic coal load which adds another 1/8 oz. The center sill is metal, and additional metal weight is squeezed in between the two hopper bays, and between the hoppers and the bolsters.

They have released them in various delivery schemes appropriate for K-brakes, as well as non-prototypical schemes. But they are notating these with their "Imagination and Fun" logo, an orange circle with an 'I' in it. The non-prototypical schemes product numbers start with 81-, so they'll be easy to avoid.

So I'm happy with the quality of the models. I will have to see how easy it is to strip and refinish them in a later paint scheme.

Aside from hearing what others think about the models, what I'm curious about is:

Would any of these still have K-brakes circa 1947-1953, which is when I'm modeling. I've asked MTH if they have plans to release later paint schemes with AB brakes, I'll keep you posted. In the meantime, take a look at the pictures and let me know what you all think. I can take more if needed.

And no, I have no affiliation with MTH. In fact, this is the first product of theirs that I've purchased.

Thanks!

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: MTH USRA 55-ton twin hoppers

Bill Welch
 

Dear Randy

Are your photos posted somewhere. I tried your website and if they are there I could not find them. Thank you for your review.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rhammill" <nhrr@...> wrote:

Well, since I hadn't seen anybody posting on these, I was wondering how well they were done. So I picked one up. I had to special order it, since none of the shops in my area carry MTH HO models.

I am certainly not an expert on these cars. From what I've read here and elsewhere, the complaints for the existing models are:

1. The side center side panels on the Tichy hopper are too wide, and thus all of the ribs are moved too close to the ends

2. The Accurail ones are very accurate, but have molded on details

So I was hopeful that this model would be as accurate as Accurail, but have the fidelity of detail as the Tichy. And as far as I can tell, they have.

I've added a gallery of a few pictures to let you judge for yourselves. I stacked an Accurail hopper on top of this one, and although I didn't quite get them centered, you can see the ribs and panels are pretty much identical. In fact, in terms of the body itself, it looks like it's almost a copy of the Accurail. I don't know if that speaks to the accuracy of both models, or if they copied the Accurail one (and yes, I know their ads show a picture of the Accurail).

The double rivet line along the bottom is a little closer together, and the rivets for where the two hoppers meet in the center are at a slightly lower angle. The interior rivet detail is pretty much the same as the Accurail - that is there is no rivet detail on the interio of the sides, just the slope sheets.

The interior does have a center brace that is snapped into place, and there are two additional cross beams that the modeler installs. They snap into place as well, but it's loose and they have a tendency to rotate, so I'll glue them. These extra cross bearers are not shown in the pictures I took (I hadn't found them yet).

The end detail is great. All grabs are wire and there are wire uncoupling levers. The train line and air hoses are plastic. The Wine latches have rods that connect to the mechanism between the two hoppers on each side. There are no brake levers.

The brake detail looks very good. It looks 'right' to me, I don't know if it's accurate. The surprising thing to me, though, is that it's a K-brake system. It includes piping to the retainer valve, and between the brake components. It includes a dirt collector, the connection to the train line, and the main brake lever.

It weighs 2 oz without the plastic coal load which adds another 1/8 oz. The center sill is metal, and additional metal weight is squeezed in between the two hopper bays, and between the hoppers and the bolsters.

They have released them in various delivery schemes appropriate for K-brakes, as well as non-prototypical schemes. But they are notating these with their "Imagination and Fun" logo, an orange circle with an 'I' in it. The non-prototypical schemes product numbers start with 81-, so they'll be easy to avoid.

So I'm happy with the quality of the models. I will have to see how easy it is to strip and refinish them in a later paint scheme.

Aside from hearing what others think about the models, what I'm curious about is:

Would any of these still have K-brakes circa 1947-1953, which is when I'm modeling. I've asked MTH if they have plans to release later paint schemes with AB brakes, I'll keep you posted. In the meantime, take a look at the pictures and let me know what you all think. I can take more if needed.

And no, I have no affiliation with MTH. In fact, this is the first product of theirs that I've purchased.

Thanks!

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Motrak car loads

PaDanby
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "PaDanby" <n6nvr@...> wrote:

I've had a few people recommend contacting Motrak for sugar beet loads for my sugar beet cars. Unfortunately, I'm not having much luck finding anything current about them. Does anybody know if they are still in business, maybe under another name? or are they no longer with us?

Thanks for all the assistance. Looks like I'm going to have to do my own beets.

John


Re: New resin kit for Hart Ballast cars...

Tim O'Connor
 

Jack

http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&;q=+inauthor:%22Rodger+Ballast+Car+Company%22

Google Books knows about the pamphlet, but unfortunately does not
offer a preview. But there are some Railway Age magazines with order
information for Hart ballast cars.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&;tbs=bks%3A1&q=rogers+hart+ballast&aq=f&aqi=m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Tim O'Connor

At 12/21/2010 10:05 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
All of the talk about which railroads had Hart Ballast cars reminded me that
I have a photocopy of a Rodger Ballast Car Co. pamphlet from around 1906. At
that time, there were several variations of Hart cars:
34 Ft 40-ton Class CS car - This is the car represented by the new resin
kit. It is a wood convertible car with truss rods. The convertible feature
means that the removable floor sections over the center section could be
laid flat and ballast dumped out through the doors in the sides of the car
to end up outside the line of the ties or those sections can be removed and
leaned against the sides so that ballast drops through openings in the floor
of the car to be placed between the ties. In the first setup, the ends of
the cars could be removed and a plow winched down a line of cars to help
push the ballast out the side doors.

Class CS World's Fair Type - This was a car exhibited at the Louisiana
Purchase Exposition. It was a 50-ton car with a steel underframe.

Class CS 50-ton Steel Underframe, 41'6" car - The pamphlet claims that this
car was furnished to "several of the largest railroads".

34 Ft 30-ton Class F.H. car - This appears to be more like a regular flat
car with a drop bottom hopper secured by stake pockets.

Pacific Car Type - This appears to be a steel car with provisions for both
center or side dumping but each entire side opens as a single hinged unit.

Interestingly, the pamphlet also includes a Hart box car which can be
arranged as a center dump car or a standard box car and a Hart stock car
with the same convertible features.

The pamphlet also includes this list of owners as of 1905-06. (The YV wasn't
listed since they didn't buy their 34 Ft 40-ton Class CS cars until 1909.) I
OCR'ed the list and didn't spend a lot of time trying to decipher the list
since I know so little other than the YV. <g>

Here is the list but remember the list includes owners of any class of Hart
car as if 1905-06, not just the car represented by the new kit:

Alabama & Vicksburg
Arizona & New Mexico
AT & SF Ry
Atlantic Coast Line
Atlanta & West Point
Brunswick & Birmingham
Butte, Anaconda & Pacific
Baltimore & Ohio
Burlington, Cedar Rapids and Northern
B & O Southwestern
Boston & Albany
Boston & Maine
Buffalo & Susquehanna
Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg
Burlington & Mo. Riv. Ry
Central of Georgia
Canadian Pacific
Chicago & Alton
Chicago & Western Ind.
Chicago & Eastern Ill.
CB & Q Ry.
Chicago Great Western
C CC & St L Ry
C RI & P RR
CRI & T RR
Chicago & Northwestern
Chihuahua & Pacific Ry
Cinn. & Cols. Tr. Co.
Cinn. Ham. & Dayton
Coal & Coke Ry,
CM & St P Ry
C St. PM & O RR
Central Ry of New Jersey
Cin. Rich. & Muncie Ry
Carolina & No. W.
Del. Lack. & Western Ry
Des M., Ia. Falls & No.
Chicago & Joliet Elec. Ry
Detroit & Tol. Shore Line
Erie Railroad
Florida East Coast Ry
Gulf & Ship Island Ry
Galv., H. & San. Ant. Ry
Great Northern Ry
Gulf, Colorado & S. F. Ry
Grand Rapids & Ind. RR
Illinois Central RR
Intercolonial RR
Indianapolis Nor, Trac. Co.
Iowa Central Ry
Long Island RR
Kansas City Southern
Kans. City. Mex. & O. Ry
KC, Ft. Scott & Mem.
L& N Ry
Lake Shore & Mich. So.
Lake Erie & Western
Louisville & Atlantic
Maine Central Ry
Mason City & Ft. D. RR
Michigan Central
Mo. Kans. & Tex.
M, St. P. & S. S. M.
Missouri Pacific.
Mobile & Ohio RR
Morgantown & Kingwood
Northern Pacific
New Orleans & N. E.
New Orleans Grt. Nor. Ry
N Y . N. H. & H. R. R.
NY Cent. & H. R. RR
Ohio River RR
Oregon Short Line
Ore. Water Power & Rv, Co.
Ore. Ry & Nav, Co.
Omaha, K. C. & East. Ry
Pennsylvania Company
Pere Marquette R. R.
Pitts., Ft. W. & Chicago.
Pitts., Cin. Chi. & St. L.
Rich. Fred & Potomac RR
Rock Island & Peoria Ry
Rutland Railroad
Seaboard Air Line
St. J & GI Ry
St. L., K. C. & Colo. Ry
St. L., Keokuk & N. W. Ry
St. L., Mem. & S. E. RR
St. L., Troy & Eastern Ry
St. Louis Valley Rv
St. L., P. & N. W. Ry
St. L. & San Francisco
Scioto Valley Tr. Co.
Sierra Ry
Southern Ry
Texas & Pacific Ry,
Texas Central RR
Tennessee Copper Co
Tidewater Railway
Townsend, Reed & Co.
Toluca, Marquette & No.
Toledo & Western
Tol. B. G. & So. Trac. Co.
Union Trac. Co. of Ind
Union Pacific RR
Vera Cruz & Pacific
Wabash Railroad

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


Re: New resin kit for Hart Ballast cars...

reporterllc
 

Did anyone send a private email to the second of the two addies that Jack provided for contact info? I would like to order two but did not get a reply yet.

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: New resin kit for Hart Ballast cars...

Jack Burgess
 

All of the talk about which railroads had Hart Ballast cars reminded me that
I have a photocopy of a Rodger Ballast Car Co. pamphlet from around 1906. At
that time, there were several variations of Hart cars:
34 Ft 40-ton Class CS car - This is the car represented by the new resin
kit. It is a wood convertible car with truss rods. The convertible feature
means that the removable floor sections over the center section could be
laid flat and ballast dumped out through the doors in the sides of the car
to end up outside the line of the ties or those sections can be removed and
leaned against the sides so that ballast drops through openings in the floor
of the car to be placed between the ties. In the first setup, the ends of
the cars could be removed and a plow winched down a line of cars to help
push the ballast out the side doors.

Class CS World's Fair Type - This was a car exhibited at the Louisiana
Purchase Exposition. It was a 50-ton car with a steel underframe.

Class CS 50-ton Steel Underframe, 41'6" car - The pamphlet claims that this
car was furnished to "several of the largest railroads".

34 Ft 30-ton Class F.H. car - This appears to be more like a regular flat
car with a drop bottom hopper secured by stake pockets.

Pacific Car Type - This appears to be a steel car with provisions for both
center or side dumping but each entire side opens as a single hinged unit.

Interestingly, the pamphlet also includes a Hart box car which can be
arranged as a center dump car or a standard box car and a Hart stock car
with the same convertible features.

The pamphlet also includes this list of owners as of 1905-06. (The YV wasn't
listed since they didn't buy their 34 Ft 40-ton Class CS cars until 1909.) I
OCR'ed the list and didn't spend a lot of time trying to decipher the list
since I know so little other than the YV. <g>

Here is the list but remember the list includes owners of any class of Hart
car as if 1905-06, not just the car represented by the new kit:

Alabama & Vicksburg
Arizona & New Mexico
AT & SF Ry
Atlantic Coast Line
Atlanta & West Point
Brunswick & Birmingham
Butte, Anaconda & Pacific
Baltimore & Ohio
Burlington, Cedar Rapids and Northern
B & O Southwestern
Boston & Albany
Boston & Maine
Buffalo & Susquehanna
Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg
Burlington & Mo. Riv. Ry
Central of Georgia
Canadian Pacific
Chicago & Alton
Chicago & Western Ind.
Chicago & Eastern Ill.
CB & Q Ry.
Chicago Great Western
C CC & St L Ry
C RI & P RR
CRI & T RR
Chicago & Northwestern
Chihuahua & Pacific Ry
Cinn. & Cols. Tr. Co.
Cinn. Ham. & Dayton
Coal & Coke Ry,
CM & St P Ry
C St. PM & O RR
Central Ry of New Jersey
Cin. Rich. & Muncie Ry
Carolina & No. W.
Del. Lack. & Western Ry
Des M., Ia. Falls & No.
Chicago & Joliet Elec. Ry
Detroit & Tol. Shore Line
Erie Railroad
Florida East Coast Ry
Gulf & Ship Island Ry
Galv., H. & San. Ant. Ry
Great Northern Ry
Gulf, Colorado & S. F. Ry
Grand Rapids & Ind. RR
Illinois Central RR
Intercolonial RR
Indianapolis Nor, Trac. Co.
Iowa Central Ry
Long Island RR
Kansas City Southern
Kans. City. Mex. & O. Ry
KC, Ft. Scott & Mem.
L& N Ry
Lake Shore & Mich. So.
Lake Erie & Western
Louisville & Atlantic
Maine Central Ry
Mason City & Ft. D. RR
Michigan Central
Mo. Kans. & Tex.
M, St. P. & S. S. M.
Missouri Pacific.
Mobile & Ohio RR
Morgantown & Kingwood
Northern Pacific
New Orleans & N. E.
New Orleans Grt. Nor. Ry
N Y . N. H. & H. R. R.
NY Cent. & H. R. RR
Ohio River RR
Oregon Short Line
Ore. Water Power & Rv, Co.
Ore. Ry & Nav, Co.
Omaha, K. C. & East. Ry
Pennsylvania Company
Pere Marquette R. R.
Pitts., Ft. W. & Chicago.
Pitts., Cin. Chi. & St. L.
Rich. Fred & Potomac RR
Rock Island & Peoria Ry
Rutland Railroad
Seaboard Air Line
St. J & GI Ry
St. L., K. C. & Colo. Ry
St. L., Keokuk & N. W. Ry
St. L., Mem. & S. E. RR
St. L., Troy & Eastern Ry
St. Louis Valley Rv
St. L., P. & N. W. Ry
St. L. & San Francisco
Scioto Valley Tr. Co.
Sierra Ry
Southern Ry
Texas & Pacific Ry,
Texas Central RR
Tennessee Copper Co
Tidewater Railway
Townsend, Reed & Co.
Toluca, Marquette & No.
Toledo & Western
Tol. B. G. & So. Trac. Co.
Union Trac. Co. of Ind
Union Pacific RR
Vera Cruz & Pacific
Wabash Railroad

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA

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