I'm wondering whether the large C&EI reporting marks in the very large C&EI are appropriate for 1946. It reminds me of paint schemes on other lines from the 1950s which has my doubting it for me. I'm not even sure where I could look for that sort of information.

Rob Kirkham

Dave Nelson writes:

So please folks, we all know what the hot button topics are and we all
(should) know how to mention them in passing -- vaguely -- w/o dropping a
Molotov cocktail into the conversation.

Even more than that. Note the STMFC rules:

"Personal attacks on other members or manufacturers is expressly prohibited
and may result in
expulsion from the group. Members are expected to conduct themselves in a
gentlemanly manner. Personal attacks on anyone including non members is not
permitted."

Plus: "ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA
FREIGHT
CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES."

And: "All references to politics or political views are prohibited."

Therefore, hot button topics, particularly with regard to politics is not to be even vaguely mentioned. Such messages will land you very quickly in Moderate Jail before being brought before the Head STMFC Judge..er...me. Let this be considered to be a warning.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

Bill Darnaby...perhaps slowing down a bit...notes:

The only thing

missing in the ball room was an endless supply of coffee and chocolate chip
cookies.

Bill (who rarely manged to be in the right place when the cookies came out)
Darnaby

The trick, of course, as many have learned, is to be near a fellow named...uh...Mike Brock when it's cookie time. One thing in the future...I would ask that when I announce the word "cookies" in the ball room that those attendees there at that time not run over me.

Thanks
Mike Brock

Dave,
I want to say that I, and I am sure that others feel the same way, that I much appreciate your photographing models at Cocoa Beach and posting them for all of us to enjoy. Thank you!
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Richard is right. I took photos of almost all the models. Over 300 images including the names and some duplicates so it takes a while to get them all captioned. I'm almost done so they should be up in the morniing.

Dave Hussey

I have for sale all issues of Trains Illustrated Fall 1988 through Fall 1991

this was a short run magazine from Kalmbach. I had a subscription and when
it ended we were dovetailed into Vintage Rails. Ironically, when that ended
I
was given a pro-rated Classic Trains subscription also from Kalmbach, if I
recall but I
digress.

Included in this sale are the following individual issues. Winter
1988, September 1989, December 1989, February 1990, September 1990 (2),
December 1990, February 1991, may 1991, Summer 1991, fall 1991. Also
included is a Kalmbach bound volume for issues 1-8. (winter 1988 through Feb

1991. There is a lot of interesting Steam Era content in the pages.
However, I am looking to sell them since I haven't looked at them in a long
time and I need to reduce my library. I am looking for $20 plus shipping.
If interested please contact me off list at the email below.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga, NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com

Guy

Our PRR X29D is on Model Railroaders email update this week. Since it appeared there we have gotten some phone calls with regard to the problem with the original bodies that were defective. Rest assured that new molds have been created and the kits that are now available are problem free.


Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models


2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797

Schuyler sez:

No, Andy, you and Bruce Smith both used the vast majority of a table

each,

but you know what? Both of you deserved the space. The first Cocoa I

came

to I used almost all of the round table because I had a lot to show.

But

since life's bit me a bit in the last few years, my production has

dropped

off just a tad.

Yeah, I did get most of a table. In fact, my intent was to take a whole
table, since that's what I usually do <VBG>. I found out I was a little
late to the party, as much of the space had been occupied by the time I
got to the ball room, after dinner on Thursday. In trying to decide
what to bring, I ended up with 5 Proto Power West boxes! I managed to
squeeze into about 2/3 of a table, and then extended onto part of the
next table, behind John Roberts, so that I could show a long string of
reefers that would be appropriate for the PRR (behind a Q2).
Fortunately, 4 of my reefers went over to the Shake-n-take table, along
with my DTI gon and UP S-40-10, or I never would have fit! One of the
neatest thing that happened from my perspective was that John brought
his Rich Yoder F22/gun barrel set, and I had my HO F22s and gun barrel,
so we had very similar models in O and HO, right next to each other and
completely by coincidence!

As always, the models, the clinics and the company were top notch!
Kudos to Mike, Jeff, Marty and the rest of the crew that put on PR for
another job well done. Oh, and I've become very fond of the cuban
place, Roberto's, in the past 2 years!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al

The problem with the original complaint is that it *identified a particular
political point of view* and then described in terms best understood both as
extreme and unhinged from thought... and then went on to describe a specific
different point of view with calmness.

And then another person comes in and says if that's what he said it was,
repeating the characterization verbatim, then that's what it was.

As they say: TOO much information!

We don't know what exactly was said at that meet. We don't know if it was
wild eyed political weirdness... or middle of the road (as seen by wild eyed
political weirdness)... we only know something political was said that
someone else didn't like. We all have been in similar situations and can
relate to the uncomfortableness of it.

Exactly what has just happened here in this thread.

It's one to write something political was said that I didn't like, etc.
etc., and it's quite another to make clear what political point of view it
was and then characterize in unpleasant terms. And FWIW, it is not just
characterizing politics, but characterizing a specific religion can scorch
eyebrows too and earn a bite in return.

So please folks, we all know what the hot button topics are and we all
(should) know how to mention them in passing -- vaguely -- w/o dropping a
Molotov cocktail into the conversation.

Dave Nelson

At 10:51 AM 1/15/2011 -0800, you wrote:

Amen. The free display of models was and is one of the very best and most
healthy features of Prototype Rails, the only flaw of which was that one
participant's fine models took up an entire table!

I didn't think I was the only one but perhaps I was. Mine were more spread
out than normal, due to the prototype photo placards and such. But I guess
I did use a whole table.

Andy

No, Andy, you and Bruce Smith both used the vast majority of a table each,
but you know what? Both of you deserved the space. The first Cocoa I came
to I used almost all of the round table because I had a lot to show. But
since life's bit me a bit in the last few years, my production has dropped
off just a tad.

SGL





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Thank you Richard. Let's move on.
Thanks,
Jim

Jim Babcock


________________________________
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 4:16:53 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet

 
On Jan 15, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Todd Horton wrote:

Richard, with all respect, I have to disagree with you here.
Bashing someone in
a pubic forum isn't what I signed up for on the STMFC list. That
why I asked if
Jared had any comments to send them to me off list. Someones
opinion of another
person shouldn't be aired on a list devoted to model railroads. Do
we need
Liberal and Conservative freight cars forums now? Todd Horton

No, Todd, we need NON-POLITICAL freight car forums. And as far as
I'm concerned, that's the end of this discussion, either on or off-list.

Richard Hendrickson

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At 05:40 PM 1/14/2011 -0500, you wrote:

Speaking of Prototype Rails reports, we have heard a great deal about the
clinics and even the food but no one has mentioned that we had about 1,000
models on display. That is surely a record. In fact, the table my 20 or so
models was on had about 300 models.

I didn't take a single photo this year. Brought the rig, but it really takes motivation as well as several hours lugging a tripod around to do it justice. And the last couple meets I shot hundreds of photos and never uploaded any of them (yet anyway). That used to be a scoop but these days you have multiple people at every meet shooting away, so the coverage is there. Digital removes the limitations there. But taking the shots still takes time, and this time I just wasn't into it and by the time I even thought about it, Sunday afternoon was upon us and people were starting to pack up. Oh well.

Andy

At 10:51 AM 1/15/2011 -0800, you wrote:

Amen. The free display of models was and is one of the very best and most healthy features of Prototype Rails, the only flaw of which was that one participant's fine models took up an entire table!

I didn't think I was the only one but perhaps I was. Mine were more spread out than normal, due to the prototype photo placards and such. But I guess I did use a whole table.

Andy

At 11:43 AM 1/15/2011 -0800, you wrote:

obviously unable to grasp the concept. One interesting thing about
prototype modeling displays is that the quality of the models ranges
from very good to off the scale. I can't recall having ever seen a
really lame model at an RPM meet

You obviously didn't look too closely at my table then.... a few of mine were definitely in the lame category, but they were there to support my clinic and with a purpose.

Andy

On Jan 15, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Gary Roe wrote:

Richard,

You've evidently not seen any of my models at Naperville. If so,
you'd have
to move the lower end of your scale from "very good" down to "almost
adequate".

Now, now, Gary. I think you're indulging in excessive humility.

Richard Hendrickson

Mine finally arrived today. Well worth the wait. Thanks Ted and Richard for your efforts.
Charlie

Here, here...this was the best display of models yet. The only thing missing in the ball room was an endless supply of coffee and chocolate chip cookies.

Bill (who rarely manged to be in the right place when the cookies came out) Darnaby

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson

One interesting thing about prototype modeling displays is that the quality
of the models ranges
from very good to off the scale. I can't recall having ever seen a really
lame model at an RPM meet...

Richard Hendrickson



Richard,

You've evidently not seen any of my models at Naperville. If so, you'd have
to move the lower end of your scale from "very good" down to "almost
adequate".

gary roe
quincy, illinois

That, I do agree with . Todd




________________________________
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 4:16:53 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet

 
On Jan 15, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Todd Horton wrote:

Richard, with all respect, I have to disagree with you here.
Bashing someone in
a pubic forum isn't what I signed up for on the STMFC list. That
why I asked if
Jared had any comments to send them to me off list. Someones
opinion of another
person shouldn't be aired on a list devoted to model railroads. Do
we need
Liberal and Conservative freight cars forums now? Todd Horton

No, Todd, we need NON-POLITICAL freight car forums. And as far as
I'm concerned, that's the end of this discussion, either on or off-list.

Richard Hendrickson

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On Jan 15, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Todd Horton wrote:

Richard, with all respect, I have to disagree with you here.
Bashing someone in
a pubic forum isn't what I signed up for on the STMFC list. That
why I asked if
Jared had any comments to send them to me off list. Someones
opinion of another
person shouldn't be aired on a list devoted to model railroads. Do
we need
Liberal and Conservative freight cars forums now? Todd Horton

No, Todd, we need NON-POLITICAL freight car forums. And as far as
I'm concerned, that's the end of this discussion, either on or off-list.

Richard Hendrickson