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Coke container cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hey folks;

I have assembled the info below, on coke container cars, and am wondering
where I might find out more, incl pics. Below are: RR, car numbers, number
of cars, dimensionsals, cap., notes...

B&O 256550-256678 etc 69 50', 3' IH; 6'11" OH (w/o
containers); 1425 cu.ft.; 126,000 lb cap ????
Add rest..... ?


DT&I 9121, 9128, 9296 3 52'6", 3'3" IH; 12'9" OH' from
series 9100-9299 300 cu. Ft. containers (based on OH);
Photos of containers only MM 8/01
DT&I 9107, 9235, 9254, 9266 4 52'6" IL; 3'3" IH; 11'6" OH Prob
250 cf containers (based on OH)

Erie ? (yes, they had some, but I have no idea)

Koppers 100, 101, 102, 104-107, 109-158 57 48'6" IL; 3' IH; 6'9" OH (w/o
containers); 129k cap;
12-rib ex-drop end cars with extended end sills w/poling pockets and pump
handbrake; 10 containers "KGCX"
200? Cu ft cap containers; assn: Seaboard, NJ?
Photos" MM 8,9/01
Koppers 200-219 20 52'6" Greenville-type with fixed plate steel
replacement end; blue w/white letters; 11 containers; in service Oct 1971 to
1985. 200 cu. Ft. containers; photos MM 8,9/01

L&N 56725-56737 13 52'6" IL; 1961-built PS-5 fixed end;
11 containers; converted 11/62; assigned to Alabama By-Products 300 cu.ft.
containers; Photo 56733 in MM 8/01; 56728 in MM 9/01

LV (yes, they had some, but I have no idea)


Monon 3301-3310 10 42' IL, PS-built 1948; 9 containers Photo
3301 MM 9/01
Monon 3625-3648 Thrall-built 1954; modified ?; Photo 3625,
3629 MM 9/01; 345 cu.ft. home-made containers

NKP (yes, they had some, but I have no idea)


N&W 70596 - 70629 15 46' IL; 3' IH; 6'7" OH(w/o containers); 1311
cu.ft.; 50-t
N&W 72400-72414 15 46' IL; 3' IH; 6'7" OH(w/o containers); 1311
cu.ft.; 50-t

NYC 501500-501639 140 USRA-type converted by Merchants Despatch
1931; similar to Lot 557-G series 703000-704499 Homemade containers?
NYC 502225-502283 59 Ex-NYC Standard Steel 1930-made LCL flats
with drop sides; Lot 781-G; 12 home-made containers mounted in pairs;
converted 1956; lasted until 60's Photo: MM 9/01
NYC 502320-502329 10 52'6" IL Greenville-type modified for coke
service 2/62 Beech Grove Lot 810-G; 7'6" OH(w/o containers); 11 containers;
lading band anchors and newly-fixed Dread drop ends; nailable steel flooring
200 cu. Ft. containers;

NYC 502330-502349 20 ", but w/o nailable steel flooring
NYC 502350-502353 4 " Photo: 502351 MM 8/01
NYC 502354, 502355 2 "
NYC 502356-502381 26 "

P&LE 13165, 13211, 13511, 13650, 13878 5 52'6"; 3'9"; 7'6"
OH(w/o containers)

PRR G27A - 345388, 345912, 346283, 346841, 347545, 347599, 347810,
348088, 348635 9 52'6" 3'6" ?OH 325 cu. ft. containers; photo Key
PRR G36E - 619527, 619642, 619659, 620484, 620492, 620951 6
52'6", 3'8" OH; 7'4" OH(w/o containers)

P&WV 7200, 7201, 7204, 7212, 7215, 7227, 7233, 7234, 7236, 7239, 7241,
7245, 7248 13 52'6" Bethlehem-type fixed end gon with top chord
angle reinforcement and lading band anchor strip on top chord. Appear to be
250 cu.ft, Youngstown corrugated, labeled for "P.& W. V. RY. CO."; P&WV
photo; Black

RDG 12 52'6" Beth steel GHm class Photo: MM 8/01

WM 5400-5460? 52'6" IL; 3'6" IH; 7'2" OH(w/o containers)
Var cap 70-100


I have now done a PRR G27A converted for coke containers, plus a P&WV coke
container gon, and would like to add additional cars to this fleet. Photos
of P&LE cars would be great! Decal ideas?

Any info appreciated!

Elden Gatwood


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Hoxie wrote:
"Instead of paying the big bucks for a car done poorly by Atlas, a straight
forward kitbash can be done with Tichy boxcar body and 5/5/5 ends with an
Accurail fishbelly underframe. The roof is a simple matter of styrene sheet and
strips. Then builders choice of grabiron ladders or the real thing."

You mean like Jerry Glow's model that he posted to the list two hours ago?  :)
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/SLSF_rebuilt.html


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

pennsylvania1954
 

The photo of SLSF 128436 is here:

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/323/24063/june-1988-page-17

Instead of paying the big bucks for a car done poorly by Atlas, a straight forward kitbash can be done with Tichy boxcar body and 5/5/5 ends with an Accurail fishbelly underframe. The roof is a simple matter of styrene sheet and strips. Then builders choice of grabiron ladders or the real thing.

The www.trainlife.com is becoming a very handy go to site for MRG and RMJ.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

jerryglow2
 

I will probably build an ACL one like I did Frisco <http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/SLSF_rebuilt.html>. I have decals for the ACL one and plan to add a Frisco set.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

--- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:


Thoughts?
Dave Evans
Oh. Thoughts. Well...

I think that Atlas could pull off a Frisco version and maybe a slightly less-good ACL version--this based on Ben Hom's data posted in the Files. I haven't found anything else that works. I've looked up a bunch of the Atlas car numbers and they are always WAY wrong. I've wondered whether Atlas has chosen to hold off on the only two "rightish" cars to maximize sales of the "wrongish".

Curiously, they seem to make great efforts to get their 1932 ARA box really close.



Ed (who's looking forward to their as-yet unannounced USRA DS boxes)

Edward Sutorik


Re: FGE/WFE/BRE lettering change

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Yes. It says: "Roof to be painted aluminum".

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: lnbill
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 12:08 AM
Subject: [STMFC] FGE/WFE/BRE lettering change



Recalling a subject of a couple of weeks ago I was looking through some new photo acquisitions and noticed I have a photo of a 50-ft. insulated FGE car, RBNX 90189 built new in April 1959 with the traditional "Optic" faceted lettering style.

Combined with Staffan's information below, it seems safe to say that this change in style took place in May or June of 1959

Staffan, does your drawing have any paints specs, especially regarding the roof?

--- In STMFC@..., "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...> wrote:
>
> I have an FGE lettering arrangement drawing for swinging door cars dated 6-8-59 showing sans serif lettering.
>
> Staffan Ehnbom


Achtung! Minen! Was Re: Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

And of course AFTER I posted the query about these cars, I read Ben Hom's post from earlier today. Which answered many of my questions...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "mike brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Brian Carlson and Ben Hom make it rather clear that in their opinions the
Atlas cars don't represent any prototype. Since these two members are very
knowlegeable and at least Ben has written at length on the subject, I would
think that other members might consider that assuming these cars DO
represent something real is similar to encountering a field with a sign
saying "Danger Mines". If one choses to cross the field on foot, one might
not be too happy. However, there certainly is no rule that restricts STMFC
members from attempting to use the Atlas car to represent some
prototype...nor does it restrict a member from walking across a mine field.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Achtung! Minen! Was Re: Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

While walking gigerly through that minefield, perhaps these cars make good feedstock for certain roads' cars when re-worked a little (or a lot?) Or is it a waste of time to even consider this? I've an undec or two to play with...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "mike brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Brian Carlson and Ben Hom make it rather clear that in their opinions the
Atlas cars don't represent any prototype. Since these two members are very
knowlegeable and at least Ben has written at length on the subject, I would
think that other members might consider that assuming these cars DO
represent something real is similar to encountering a field with a sign
saying "Danger Mines". If one choses to cross the field on foot, one might
not be too happy. However, there certainly is no rule that restricts STMFC
members from attempting to use the Atlas car to represent some
prototype...nor does it restrict a member from walking across a mine field.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

There is a 1950's Virl Davis photo of SLSF 128436 in Model Railroading,
June 1988, p. 17. The SLSF car had 5/5/5 ends, and when originally rebuilt
had "grabiron ladders" on the corner, which were replaced with real ladders
later (e.g. as seen in the above photo). But the car kept its original roof
as Ben says, and also kept its Andrews trucks.

There's a late 1940's shot of SLSF 129529 in Railroad Model Craftsman,
September 1989, p. 56. This one really shows the B end beautifully, and
this car has an earlier paint scheme, and the original "ladders".

Ben, or someone else a while back, posted a composite photo of SLSF 129534
with two shots of an Atlas 8-panel model. So those are three SLSF cars that
can be modeled with the Atlas 8-panel car -- but someone says these only
exist in N scale? From the composite photo I can't tell the scale of the
model.

Tim O'Connor


----------------------------------------------------

Again, I pointed out years ago when the S Helper Service model first came out -
the best use of these "rebuilt" boxcars, whether in S, O, N, or HO, is to use
the 5/5/5 end, 8 panel side models with fishbelly underframe to represent the
ACL, C&WC, and SL-SF "basic" rebuilds where the original roof was reused.
Unfortuntely, the work goes beyond changing the doors. The side sill is poorly
represented - it is not recessed enough on any of these models, and the side
sill brackets are incorrect.

I ask you all to please review the archives regarding these models - we seem to
keep reinventing the wheel on these models everytime a new run comes out.

Ben Hom


Achtung! Minen! Was Re: Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Brian Carlson and Ben Hom make it rather clear that in their opinions the Atlas cars don't represent any prototype. Since these two members are very knowlegeable and at least Ben has written at length on the subject, I would think that other members might consider that assuming these cars DO represent something real is similar to encountering a field with a sign saying "Danger Mines". If one choses to cross the field on foot, one might not be too happy. However, there certainly is no rule that restricts STMFC members from attempting to use the Atlas car to represent some prototype...nor does it restrict a member from walking across a mine field.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

Brian Carlson
 

Someone just needs to say. "Out of the box these Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt
Boxcars are BOGUS."

There that should turn up in a search in 3-4 months when Atlas announces a
new run of paint schemes and the subject comes up again. Probably should
eat now, won't get much food in moderate jail.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:06 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar



Again, I pointed out years ago when the S Helper Service model first came
out -
the best use of these "rebuilt" boxcars, whether in S, O, N, or HO, is to
use
the 5/5/5 end, 8 panel side models with fishbelly underframe to represent
the
ACL, C&WC, and SL-SF "basic" rebuilds where the original roof was reused.
Unfortuntely, the work goes beyond changing the doors. The side sill is
poorly
represented - it is not recessed enough on any of these models, and the side

sill brackets are incorrect.

I ask you all to please review the archives regarding these models - we seem
to
keep reinventing the wheel on these models everytime a new run comes out.

Ben Hom


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Sutorik wrote:
"Atlas lists part number 6400-5 (5-5-5 ends, 8 side panels, USRA roof,
Youngstown

doors, fishbelly underframe)

Except for the door, these look awfully close to the Frisco cars; and I would
expect that there were some that got Youngstown doors, anyway--there were so
many. Of course, a modeler could either change the door or wait for Atlas to do
it."

Again, I pointed out years ago when the S Helper Service model first came out -
the best use of these "rebuilt" boxcars, whether in S, O, N, or HO, is to use
the 5/5/5 end, 8 panel side models with fishbelly underframe to represent the
ACL, C&WC, and SL-SF "basic" rebuilds where the original roof was reused. 
Unfortuntely, the work goes beyond changing the doors.  The side sill is poorly
represented - it is not recessed enough on any of these models, and the side
sill brackets are incorrect.

I ask you all to please review the archives regarding these models - we seem to
keep reinventing the wheel on these models everytime a new run comes out.


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

spsalso
 


I wrote a review of an undec 10-panel car earlier in this thread. Go back and review that post.

Bottom line - this model is still a Papa Oscar Sierra.


Ben Hom


Ben,

Atlas lists part number 6400-5 (5-5-5 ends, 8 side panels, USRA roof, Youngstown doors, fishbelly underframe)

Except for the door, these look awfully close to the Frisco cars; and I would expect that there were some that got Youngstown doors, anyway--there were so many. Of course, a modeler could either change the door or wait for Atlas to do it.

Step by step, inch by inch.......


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Dave Evans asked:

I see Atlas has announced a third set of cars in this series:
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt2.htm

These are 8 panel cars. I see posts here about the 10 panel version, but to my count this results in 8 different undec cars (4 10-panel, 4 8-panel). The atlas release under features says the cars are 10-panel, but the pictures and art work show 8-panel for the second and third releases. I do not think any 8-panel cars have shipped - the releases say March 2011 and August 2011 for the 8-panel cars.
SNIP...

"Has anyone on this group actually reviewed one of the actual HO 10-panel models? <<snip>> Has it been confirmed that the errors in the other scales have been repeated in HO?"

I wrote a review of an undec 10-panel car earlier in this thread. Go back and review that post.

Bottom line - this model is still a Papa Oscar Sierra.


Ben Hom
Ben,

Many thanks for the summary. Sorry I missed your review - my attempts at searching Yahoo groups for messages seem to always come up with less than a full set of hits - I haven't tried to figure why...

Another gap remains unfilled by anything but Resin...

Dave Evans


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Evans asked:
I see Atlas has announced a third set of cars in this series:
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt2.htm

These are 8 panel cars. I see posts here about the 10 panel version, but to my count this results in 8 different undec cars (4 10-panel, 4 8-panel). The atlas release under features says the cars are 10-panel, but the pictures and art work show 8-panel for the second and third releases. I do not think any 8-panel cars have shipped - the releases say March 2011 and August 2011 for the 8-panel cars.

The original 10-panel link:
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt.htm

The first 8-panel link:
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt1.htm

"Are all these cars still foobies? At least 3 in the latest release appear to have valid WWII paint schemes."

Yes. I'll leave the details of the C&O cars to Al Kresse, but the bottom line for all of these paint schemes is the prototypes are either non-existent or have significant detail differences - as I've repeatedly pointed out during this long and sordid thread, the differences aren't limited to a few inches of IH, but significant details such as roofs.

Quickly, as I'm headed out the door to dinner:

BN: Non-existent. CB&Q retired their USRA DS boxcars without rebuilding; those USRA DS boxcars that GN chose to rebuild became the stockcars modeled in HO by Accurail; NP didn't rebuild their similar DS boxcars into steel boxcars.

C&NW: Discussed previously. Prototype had Viking roofs and different ends than model.

FtDDM&S: Ex-RI cars. Model has incorrect roof, ends, and IH.

NYC/P&LE: Bogus. P&LE car modeled by Tichy rebuuilt boxcar. NYC rebuilds had several variations, but none match any version of the Atlas model.

Wabash: Discussed previously. Incorrect roof.


"Has anyone on this group actually reviewed one of the actual HO 10-panel models? <<snip>> Has it been confirmed that the errors in the other scales have been repeated in HO?"

I wrote a review of an undec 10-panel car earlier in this thread. Go back and review that post.

Bottom line - this model is still a Papa Oscar Sierra.


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

SUVCWORR@...
 

If you look at the couplers in the photos of each road not the art work at the top, you will see these are photos of N scale cars. The N scale car is an 8 panel car. For some unexplained reason they made the HO cars 10 panels.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Evans <devans1@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:14 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar






--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bob Chaparro asked:
"The Atlas HO scale USRA steel rebuilt boxcar due in March 2011
(http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt1.htm) will be offered
for the following roads:
Ann Arbor, Canadian National, Chicago & North Western, Detroit, Toledo &
Ironton, Elgin, Joliet & Eastern and Rock Island

Does this car appear accurate for those roads?"
No. We've discussed this model and its precursors in N, O, and S scales
extensively in the past. These models are hermaphodites that do not model any

specific prototypes. (In fact, it's one of the few models out there that I wish

the tooling wwas damaged beyond repair and a computer virus destroys all of the

electronic files.) Anyone interested in specific details on why these are

foobies issues should consult both my and Larry Kline's rebuilt boxcar

spreadsheet in the group files section or are invited to contact me off list;

simply put, here are the issues with each of these road names:

Snip...

I'm still trying to find prototypes for the 5/5/5 and 7/8 Murphy end cars with
10-panel side cars.

Ben Hom
I see atlas has announced a third set of cars in this series:



http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt2.htm



These are 8 panel cars. I see posts here about the 10 panel version, but to my

count this results in 8 different undec cars (4 10-panel, 4 8-panel). The atlas

release under features says the cars are 10-panel, but the pictures and art work

show 8-panel for the second and third releases. I do not think any 8-panel cars

have shipped - the releases say March 2011 and August 2011 for the 8-panel cars.



The original 10-panel link:



http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt.htm



The first 8-panel link:



http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt1.htm



Are all these cars still foobies? At least 3 in the latest release appear to

have valid WWII paint schemes.



Has anyone on this group actually reviewed one of the actual HO 10-panel models?

It seems many of the pictures on Atlas web site are of models from other scales.

Has it been confirmed that the errors in the other scales have been repeated in

HO?



Thoughts?

Dave Evans













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FGE/WFE/BRE lettering change

Bill Welch
 

Recalling a subject of a couple of weeks ago I was looking through some new photo acquisitions and noticed I have a photo of a 50-ft. insulated FGE car, RBNX 90189 built new in April 1959 with the traditional "Optic" faceted lettering style.

Combined with Staffan's information below, it seems safe to say that this change in style took place in May or June of 1959

Staffan, does your drawing have any paints specs, especially regarding the roof?

--- In STMFC@..., "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...> wrote:

I have an FGE lettering arrangement drawing for swinging door cars dated 6-8-59 showing sans serif lettering.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: lnbill
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 1:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FGE lettering change



Tim's information surprises me. My research had shown this change occurred in about 1960.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:
>
>
> I think the first use of the plain (not Optic) lettering was
> on RBNX insulated box cars in 1959 -- for example, RBNX 81123,
> stencilled "AX 12-59". The earliest use I've seen on FGEX reefers
> is in 1961. I've seen photos of freshly painted/repainted reefers
> in 1958 with Optic lettering.
>
> So I totally agree with Richard, if you model prior to 1960 all
> of your FGE reefers can have the Optic lettering as far as I know.
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
>
>
>
> >I thought that someone who is more of an expert on FGE and its
> >affiliates than I am would respond to this, but apparently no one did
> >(or posted it off-list). So I took a quick look through my photo
> >collection, and the earliest date I could find for the later
> >lettering style was ca. 1960. I think you can confidently assume
> >that in 1959-60, many, if not all, FGEX cars still had the earlier
> >Optic block lettering.
> >
> >Richard Hendrickson
>





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Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

I see atlas has announced a third set of cars in this series:
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt2.htm
These are 8 panel cars.
------------------------------

The problem is that most rebuilds were raised in height, or got new roofs,
or had different underframes, etc.

For example the CMO rebuilds were much taller, with an extra blank panel
inserted into the 5/5/5 ends. The Wabash 8-panel rebuilds had rectangular
panel roofs.

I don't know why anyone gets excited over inaccurate models that retail
for $34.95 when resin kits, or mini-kits exist for many of these cars that
are far more accurate, for about the same cost.

Atlas has been cranking out a lot of ERTL-quality cars with about the same
level of attention to accuracy as paid by ERTL. But I guess you could say
they're doing it with more style, and more variety.

Whatever floats yer boat. ;-)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

spsalso
 

Thoughts?
Dave Evans
Oh. Thoughts. Well...

I think that Atlas could pull off a Frisco version and maybe a slightly less-good ACL version--this based on Ben Hom's data posted in the Files. I haven't found anything else that works. I've looked up a bunch of the Atlas car numbers and they are always WAY wrong. I've wondered whether Atlas has chosen to hold off on the only two "rightish" cars to maximize sales of the "wrongish".

Curiously, they seem to make great efforts to get their 1932 ARA box really close.



Ed (who's looking forward to their as-yet unannounced USRA DS boxes)

Edward Sutorik


Re: PRR 89315

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Ben, and Tom, and Elden! I just checked the Sunshine list
and sure enough, there is a kit for the unrebuilt version (X41C)!

Tim O'Connor

Tim O'Connor asked:
"What class of box car is this?"
http://cgi.ebay.com/PRR-BOXCAR-89315-RAILROAD-SLIDE-/140511276481

Class X41E from series PRR 89100-89999.

Ben Hom


Re: Atlas HO USRA Steel Rebuilt Boxcar

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:



Bob Chaparro asked:
"The Atlas HO scale USRA steel rebuilt boxcar due in March 2011
(http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt1.htm) will be offered
for the following roads:

Ann Arbor, Canadian National, Chicago & North Western, Detroit, Toledo & Ironton, Elgin, Joliet & Eastern and Rock Island

Does this car appear accurate for those roads?"

No. We've discussed this model and its precursors in N, O, and S scales extensively in the past. These models are hermaphodites that do not model any specific prototypes. (In fact, it's one of the few models out there that I wish the tooling wwas damaged beyond repair and a computer virus destroys all of the electronic files.) Anyone interested in specific details on why these are foobies issues should consult both my and Larry Kline's rebuilt boxcar spreadsheet in the group files section or are invited to contact me off list; simply put, here are the issues with each of these road names:
Snip...

I'm still trying to find prototypes for the 5/5/5 and 7/8 Murphy end cars with 10-panel side cars.


Ben Hom
I see atlas has announced a third set of cars in this series:

http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt2.htm

These are 8 panel cars. I see posts here about the 10 panel version, but to my count this results in 8 different undec cars (4 10-panel, 4 8-panel). The atlas release under features says the cars are 10-panel, but the pictures and art work show 8-panel for the second and third releases. I do not think any 8-panel cars have shipped - the releases say March 2011 and August 2011 for the 8-panel cars.

The original 10-panel link:

http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt.htm

The first 8-panel link:

http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt1.htm

Are all these cars still foobies? At least 3 in the latest release appear to have valid WWII paint schemes.

Has anyone on this group actually reviewed one of the actual HO 10-panel models? It seems many of the pictures on Atlas web site are of models from other scales. Has it been confirmed that the errors in the other scales have been repeated in HO?

Thoughts?
Dave Evans

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