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Re: Blackstone tank car, speaking of tanks
Jon Miller <atsf@...>
Speaking of tank cars is there any additional
information of the atsf Tk-G, H, etc. that was discussed some months ago? Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: No joy
Richard Townsend
Sorry. That was meant for Bill Welch.
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Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon
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From: richtownsend@netscape.net To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 8:11 am Subject: [STMFC] No joy Bill, I had no luck at the library with Railway Age. I searched the indexes for "refrigerator," "car, freight, refrigerator," "car, refrigerator," and "fruit growers" and found nothing referring to the experimental cars you are interested in. In fact, I didn't find a single mention of FGE from 1909 through the 1920's. I was at the University of Oregon library, and they don't have Railway Mechanical Engineer, but that might be a likely place for what you are looking for. Would you be interested in a 1917 RA article on B&O reefers? They ended up in FGE, didn't they? It has no overall plans, but there are several detail drawings and cross-sections. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon = [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Blackstone tank car
Clark Propst
Thanks Barry,
I read a post where Richard states the cars were gone by 53 because of problems mounting AB brakes. I model 54. Guess that saves me $60 and fooling around with trucks! Clark Propst
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No joy
Richard Townsend
Bill,
I had no luck at the library with Railway Age. I searched the indexes for "refrigerator," "car, freight, refrigerator," "car, refrigerator," and "fruit growers" and found nothing referring to the experimental cars you are interested in. In fact, I didn't find a single mention of FGE from 1909 through the 1920's. I was at the University of Oregon library, and they don't have Railway Mechanical Engineer, but that might be a likely place for what you are looking for. Would you be interested in a 1917 RA article on B&O reefers? They ended up in FGE, didn't they? It has no overall plans, but there are several detail drawings and cross-sections. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon =
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Re: Blackstone tank car
Jack Burgess
The frameless "Van Dyke" ones started out as standard gauge tank cars and
were converted to narrow gauge. Richard Hendrickson did an article on them in the December 1996 RMC (using a Precision Scale kit). Getting correct trucks for them (if you model after the mid-1930s) is the difficulty...they need cast 5' wheelbase trucks to be correct. The article describes how to achieve this. A lot of them appeared on the YV and I followed Richard's article to model a half dozen of them a few years ago...they are a neat looking tank car! Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com < <I saw one of the Blackstone (Soundtraxx) HOn3 UTLX tanks in a hobby <shop. < <Would those cars have operated with standard gauge trucks? If so what <style for truck? < <At 60 bucks you really have to want one! < <Thanks, <Clark Propst
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Waybills
foxtrackin50
I am wanting to model using real waybills or copies of real waybills of trains that are passing thru Frankfort,In on the Nickel Plate. I have some waybills but wondering where or how I would go about getting more. They would not need to be Industries on the NKP but just cars that would be routed on the NKP either on the Cloverleaf div. or the LE&W div. Is there a source for waybills. I am modeling mid fifties but any waybill from the forties thru the early sixies would work. Is there a web site or books about waybills. Thanks Jan
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Blackstone tank car
Clark Propst
I saw one of the Blackstone (Soundtraxx) HOn3 UTLX tanks in a hobby shop.
Would those cars have operated with standard gauge trucks? If so what style for truck? At 60 bucks you really have to want one! Thanks, Clark Propst
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Re: Coke container cars (UNCLASSIFIED)
asychis@...
Dorin's book Missouri Pacific Trains and equipment has a photo of a
Missouri-Illinois 300-series gondola with coke containers. These look similar to USRA composite gondolas without the side sheathing, but are not exact copies. Missouri Pacific had 39 coke cars built from boxcars (probably the 120000 series) with three side doors and no roof numbered in the 12070-1299, along with cars 120093, 120179, 120269, 120280, 120526, and 120880. These were 38' -3" in length by 10' -5" wide by 13' high (ORER extreme height column) with 6' long by 7' -6" high doors, 2563 cu. ft., 40 ton cars. There was also the 7100-7199 series 70-ton coke gondolas built by the MP DeSoto shops in 1955. Of course the boxcars and the 7100-series gondolas were for coke loading, not containers. I don't have specific car information, but the panel-side gondolas and modified gondolas similar to the MI cars mentioned above were also used for coke containers. Jerry Michels
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Re: Blackstone tank car
Barrybennetttoo@...
These were discussed at some length on this site a few months ago, under
iirc, Van Dyke... Barry Bennett Coventry, England
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Re: triple hopper question
A. Premo <armprem2@...>
What no quad hoppers? Armand Premo
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From: Tim O'Connor To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] triple hopper question Frank Something that would account for dimensional differences in this CNW series is you've got 3 bay, and 4 bay cars, some with ribbed sides, some with rebuild panel (blister) sides, and some offsets. I think with 3 bay hoppers, esp offset hoppers, aren't we headed straight down the same road we went down with the 2 bay offsets? Lots and lots of variations? Tim O'Connor -------------------------------- >CNW 65101-68103 odds > >Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have >photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM >cars. > >Frank Valoczy >Vancouver, BC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2804 - Release Date: 04/11/10 06:32:00 ____________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d622da7a854042aa9fst05vuc
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Re: triple hopper question
Frank
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Something that would account for dimensional differences in this CNW series is you've got 3 bay, and 4 bay cars, some with ribbed sides, some with rebuild panel (blister) sides, and some offsets. I think with 3 bay hoppers, esp offset hoppers, aren't we headed straight down the same road we went down with the 2 bay offsets? Lots and lots of variations? Tim O'Connor --------------------------------
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Re: triple hopper question
Todd Horton
Frank, I have photos of these cars if you need one for reference. Todd Horton
________________________________ From: Frank Valoczy <destron@vcn.bc.ca> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 9:21:58 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] triple hopper question Todd Horton wrote: I'm not sure how well they match but the C of G had 3 bay offset sideHi Todd, I had that CG series listed in a second group of possibilities, in which I listed cars that had a greater divergence in certain dimensions (including capacity) than those in the first group. The second group listed: CG 700-899 Carbon County 7300-7349 B&O 621000-624999 LV 41000-41699 Roberval-Saguenay 932-961 Minnesota Western 100-129 CGW 69000-69099 CNW 65101-68103 odds CMO 49701-49999 odds IC 81500-81744 C&IW 900-934 C&IM 1000-1098, 11000-11049 Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM cars. Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: triple hopper question
Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
Todd Horton wrote:
I'm not sure how well they match but the C of G had 3 bay offset sideHi Todd, I had that CG series listed in a second group of possibilities, in which I listed cars that had a greater divergence in certain dimensions (including capacity) than those in the first group. The second group listed: CG 700-899 Carbon County 7300-7349 B&O 621000-624999 LV 41000-41699 Roberval-Saguenay 932-961 Minnesota Western 100-129 CGW 69000-69099 CNW 65101-68103 odds CMO 49701-49999 odds IC 81500-81744 C&IW 900-934 C&IM 1000-1098, 11000-11049 Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM cars. Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC
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Re: triple hopper question
Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
Hi Al,
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I'm in TT scale; if I were in HO, then my tolerance with regards to details like that would be rather more strict. The model-to-come will be developed using drawings and photos of PM cars, so they should be correct for that and NYC, but overall, no, that's not an essential feature. Maybe in ten years' time, though... technologies such as 3D printing have been a great gift to TT, and I can only see the situation improving. Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC al_brown03 wrote:
The NYC and PM series you mention both have the "sloped-stepped"
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Re: triple hopper question
al_brown03
The NYC and PM series you mention both have the "sloped-stepped" end-side-sheet taper. Is this an essential feature? To me in HO it would be; but I've forgotten what scale you're in.
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-- apologies for any obscurity -- -- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: triple hopper question
Todd Horton
I'm not sure how well they match but the C of G had 3 bay offset side cars. They
were numbered 700-899, built in 1934 by PS . Todd Horton ________________________________ From: Frank Valoczy <destron@vcn.bc.ca> To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 8:21:15 PM Subject: [STMFC] triple hopper question Hi, Wondering if anyone might be able to help me a bit... I'm trying to determine what all could be modelled with a 3-bay offset-side hopper visually like the NYC 904000-904999 or PM 15000-15249 series. I already know of a number of such, but went through the ORER looking for other possible matches, and am curious if anyone can confirm or deny these. I'm looking for cars that are visually similar - if it looks right at first glance, that's good enough - right number of panels, etc; minor dimensional difference (within a foot) aren't important - I don't have the variety of available models you HO guys do, to let me be quite that picky! So the possibles I found... CIL 4501-4601 CN 108600-109099, 109105-109954, 119000-119499 CP 360000-360724 DT&I 1600-1649 Louisiana & Arkansas 4400-4799 M&StL 66001-66499 MP 61000-61999, 62000-62759 Missouri-Illinois 6350-6449 NKP/W&LE 78000-80999 Ontario Northland 140300-140324 P&LE 3000-3099 Southern 70000-70299 Thanks in advance! Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC
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Re: triple hopper question
Gene <bierglaeser@...>
Frank,
I can confirm the M&StL 3-bay hoppers for you. Stewart (now Bowser) did them correctly lettered for the M&StL. I provided info to Stewart and have some of them. They are nice models with sufficient accuracy to suit me. Accurail also has or will have one for the M&StL although I have yet to see one. All M&StL open hoppers were always black and only black until the mid-1950s when some bright red ones were purchased from ACF but these had straight sides. They are not the ones to which you referred. Gene Green
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conductor's reefer data
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
I've recently finished transcribing a conductor's time book for part of the Coast Line from 1948 to 1952, and it contains extensive reefer car information. The loads in question are almost all vegetables from the Salinas and Watsonville areas, and the analysis of reporting marks present in the data is interesting. For those who may wish to look at the results, I've summarized the findings in a post on my SP modeling blog, which may be found at:
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/02/modeling-freight-traffic-coast-line.html Bottom line is that, of course, PFE cars dominated (76%) but ART cars at 11% and MDT cars at about 4% were also significant. Quite a few other reporting marks showed up too but in pretty small numbers, out of 1102 total refrigerator cars in the sample. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Tank Car Color Guide Volume 1
Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
Re: Morning Sun book
Tank Car Color Guide Volume 1: Cars with Full Center Sills James Kinkaid An all-color encyclopedia of more than 300 privately-owned tank cars. Many long lost companies are included in this colorful book. Item #1394 --------- I see that volume 2 is scheduled to be released soon (stub sill cars). For one who wishes to model steam-era tank cars, I hope to discover whether or not volume 1 is a worthwhile resource. Close-up photos of details, and so on? Thanks much, Brian Chapman Evansdale, Iowa
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Frisco variation
jerryglow2
At some unnamed instigator's request, I've modified the Frisco USRA
rebuild set to also offer it with the "Frisco Fast Freight" slogan on the right. See sample: http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/SLSF_FFF.jpg -- Jerry Glow The Villages FL http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html
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