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Re: Blackstone tank car, speaking of tanks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Speaking of tank cars is there any additional
information of the atsf Tk-G, H, etc. that was
discussed some months ago?


Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: No joy

Richard Townsend
 

Sorry. That was meant for Bill Welch.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: richtownsend@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 8:11 am
Subject: [STMFC] No joy





Bill,

I had no luck at the library with Railway Age. I searched the indexes for "refrigerator," "car, freight, refrigerator," "car, refrigerator," and "fruit growers" and found nothing referring to the experimental cars you are interested in. In fact, I didn't find a single mention of FGE from 1909 through the 1920's. I was at the University of Oregon library, and they don't have Railway Mechanical Engineer, but that might be a likely place for what you are looking for.

Would you be interested in a 1917 RA article on B&O reefers? They ended up in FGE, didn't they? It has no overall plans, but there are several detail drawings and cross-sections.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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Re: Blackstone tank car

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Barry,
I read a post where Richard states the cars were gone by 53 because of problems mounting AB brakes. I model 54. Guess that saves me $60 and fooling around with trucks!
Clark Propst


No joy

Richard Townsend
 

Bill,

I had no luck at the library with Railway Age. I searched the indexes for "refrigerator," "car, freight, refrigerator," "car, refrigerator," and "fruit growers" and found nothing referring to the experimental cars you are interested in. In fact, I didn't find a single mention of FGE from 1909 through the 1920's. I was at the University of Oregon library, and they don't have Railway Mechanical Engineer, but that might be a likely place for what you are looking for.

Would you be interested in a 1917 RA article on B&O reefers? They ended up in FGE, didn't they? It has no overall plans, but there are several detail drawings and cross-sections.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


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Re: Blackstone tank car

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

The frameless "Van Dyke" ones started out as standard gauge tank cars and
were converted to narrow gauge. Richard Hendrickson did an article on them
in the December 1996 RMC (using a Precision Scale kit). Getting correct
trucks for them (if you model after the mid-1930s) is the difficulty...they
need cast 5' wheelbase trucks to be correct. The article describes how to
achieve this. A lot of them appeared on the YV and I followed Richard's
article to model a half dozen of them a few years ago...they are a neat
looking tank car!


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


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<Thanks,
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Waybills

foxtrackin50
 

I am wanting to model using real waybills or copies of real waybills of trains that are passing thru Frankfort,In on the Nickel Plate. I have some waybills but wondering where or how I would go about getting more. They would not need to be Industries on the NKP but just cars that would be routed on the NKP either on the Cloverleaf div. or the LE&W div. Is there a source for waybills. I am modeling mid fifties but any waybill from the forties thru the early sixies would work. Is there a web site or books about waybills. Thanks Jan


Blackstone tank car

Clark Propst
 

I saw one of the Blackstone (Soundtraxx) HOn3 UTLX tanks in a hobby shop.

Would those cars have operated with standard gauge trucks? If so what style for truck?

At 60 bucks you really have to want one!

Thanks,
Clark Propst


Re: Coke container cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

asychis@...
 

Dorin's book Missouri Pacific Trains and equipment has a photo of a
Missouri-Illinois 300-series gondola with coke containers. These look similar to
USRA composite gondolas without the side sheathing, but are not exact
copies. Missouri Pacific had 39 coke cars built from boxcars (probably the 120000
series) with three side doors and no roof numbered in the 12070-1299,
along with cars 120093, 120179, 120269, 120280, 120526, and 120880. These were
38' -3" in length by 10' -5" wide by 13' high (ORER extreme height column)
with 6' long by 7' -6" high doors, 2563 cu. ft., 40 ton cars. There was
also the 7100-7199 series 70-ton coke gondolas built by the MP DeSoto shops in
1955. Of course the boxcars and the 7100-series gondolas were for coke
loading, not containers. I don't have specific car information, but the
panel-side gondolas and modified gondolas similar to the MI cars mentioned above
were also used for coke containers.

Jerry Michels


Re: Blackstone tank car

Barrybennetttoo@...
 

These were discussed at some length on this site a few months ago, under
iirc, Van Dyke...

Barry Bennett
Coventry, England


Re: triple hopper question

A. Premo <armprem2@...>
 

What no quad hoppers? Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] triple hopper question



Frank

Something that would account for dimensional differences in this
CNW series is you've got 3 bay, and 4 bay cars, some with ribbed
sides, some with rebuild panel (blister) sides, and some offsets.

I think with 3 bay hoppers, esp offset hoppers, aren't we headed
straight down the same road we went down with the 2 bay offsets?
Lots and lots of variations?

Tim O'Connor

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>CNW 65101-68103 odds
>
>Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have
>photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM
>cars.
>
>Frank Valoczy
>Vancouver, BC






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Re: triple hopper question

Tim O'Connor
 

Frank

Something that would account for dimensional differences in this
CNW series is you've got 3 bay, and 4 bay cars, some with ribbed
sides, some with rebuild panel (blister) sides, and some offsets.

I think with 3 bay hoppers, esp offset hoppers, aren't we headed
straight down the same road we went down with the 2 bay offsets?
Lots and lots of variations?

Tim O'Connor

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CNW 65101-68103 odds

Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have
photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM
cars.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: triple hopper question

Todd Horton
 

Frank, I have photos of these cars if you need one for reference. Todd Horton




________________________________
From: Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 9:21:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] triple hopper question

 
Todd Horton wrote:
I'm not sure how well they match but the C of G had 3 bay offset side
cars. They
were numbered 700-899, built in 1934 by PS . Todd Horton
Hi Todd,

I had that CG series listed in a second group of possibilities, in which I
listed cars that had a greater divergence in certain dimensions (including
capacity) than those in the first group.

The second group listed:

CG 700-899
Carbon County 7300-7349
B&O 621000-624999
LV 41000-41699
Roberval-Saguenay 932-961
Minnesota Western 100-129
CGW 69000-69099
CNW 65101-68103 odds
CMO 49701-49999 odds
IC 81500-81744
C&IW 900-934
C&IM 1000-1098, 11000-11049

Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have
photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM
cars.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC







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Re: triple hopper question

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Todd Horton wrote:
I'm not sure how well they match but the C of G had 3 bay offset side
cars. They
were numbered 700-899, built in 1934 by PS . Todd Horton
Hi Todd,

I had that CG series listed in a second group of possibilities, in which I
listed cars that had a greater divergence in certain dimensions (including
capacity) than those in the first group.

The second group listed:

CG 700-899
Carbon County 7300-7349
B&O 621000-624999
LV 41000-41699
Roberval-Saguenay 932-961
Minnesota Western 100-129
CGW 69000-69099
CNW 65101-68103 odds
CMO 49701-49999 odds
IC 81500-81744
C&IW 900-934
C&IM 1000-1098, 11000-11049

Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have
photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM
cars.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: triple hopper question

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Hi Al,

I'm in TT scale; if I were in HO, then my tolerance with regards to
details like that would be rather more strict. The model-to-come will be
developed using drawings and photos of PM cars, so they should be correct
for that and NYC, but overall, no, that's not an essential feature. Maybe
in ten years' time, though... technologies such as 3D printing have been a
great gift to TT, and I can only see the situation improving.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

al_brown03 wrote:

The NYC and PM series you mention both have the "sloped-stepped"
end-side-sheet taper. Is this an essential feature? To me in HO it would
be; but I've forgotten what scale you're in.

-- apologies for any obscurity --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "Frank Valoczy" <destron@...> wrote:

Hi,

Wondering if anyone might be able to help me a bit... I'm trying to
determine what all could be modelled with a 3-bay offset-side hopper
visually like the NYC 904000-904999 or PM 15000-15249 series.

I already know of a number of such, but went through the ORER looking
for
other possible matches, and am curious if anyone can confirm or deny
these. I'm looking for cars that are visually similar - if it looks
right
at first glance, that's good enough - right number of panels, etc; minor
dimensional difference (within a foot) aren't important - I don't have
the
variety of available models you HO guys do, to let me be quite that
picky!

So the possibles I found...

CIL 4501-4601
CN 108600-109099, 109105-109954, 119000-119499
CP 360000-360724
DT&I 1600-1649
Louisiana & Arkansas 4400-4799
M&StL 66001-66499
MP 61000-61999, 62000-62759
Missouri-Illinois 6350-6449
NKP/W&LE 78000-80999
Ontario Northland 140300-140324
P&LE 3000-3099
Southern 70000-70299

Thanks in advance!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC



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Re: triple hopper question

al_brown03
 

The NYC and PM series you mention both have the "sloped-stepped" end-side-sheet taper. Is this an essential feature? To me in HO it would be; but I've forgotten what scale you're in.

-- apologies for any obscurity --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Frank Valoczy" <destron@...> wrote:

Hi,

Wondering if anyone might be able to help me a bit... I'm trying to
determine what all could be modelled with a 3-bay offset-side hopper
visually like the NYC 904000-904999 or PM 15000-15249 series.

I already know of a number of such, but went through the ORER looking for
other possible matches, and am curious if anyone can confirm or deny
these. I'm looking for cars that are visually similar - if it looks right
at first glance, that's good enough - right number of panels, etc; minor
dimensional difference (within a foot) aren't important - I don't have the
variety of available models you HO guys do, to let me be quite that picky!

So the possibles I found...

CIL 4501-4601
CN 108600-109099, 109105-109954, 119000-119499
CP 360000-360724
DT&I 1600-1649
Louisiana & Arkansas 4400-4799
M&StL 66001-66499
MP 61000-61999, 62000-62759
Missouri-Illinois 6350-6449
NKP/W&LE 78000-80999
Ontario Northland 140300-140324
P&LE 3000-3099
Southern 70000-70299

Thanks in advance!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: triple hopper question

Todd Horton
 

I'm not sure how well they match but the C of G had 3 bay offset side cars. They
were numbered 700-899, built in 1934 by PS . Todd Horton



________________________________
From: Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 8:21:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] triple hopper question

 
Hi,

Wondering if anyone might be able to help me a bit... I'm trying to
determine what all could be modelled with a 3-bay offset-side hopper
visually like the NYC 904000-904999 or PM 15000-15249 series.

I already know of a number of such, but went through the ORER looking for
other possible matches, and am curious if anyone can confirm or deny
these. I'm looking for cars that are visually similar - if it looks right
at first glance, that's good enough - right number of panels, etc; minor
dimensional difference (within a foot) aren't important - I don't have the
variety of available models you HO guys do, to let me be quite that picky!

So the possibles I found...

CIL 4501-4601
CN 108600-109099, 109105-109954, 119000-119499
CP 360000-360724
DT&I 1600-1649
Louisiana & Arkansas 4400-4799
M&StL 66001-66499
MP 61000-61999, 62000-62759
Missouri-Illinois 6350-6449
NKP/W&LE 78000-80999
Ontario Northland 140300-140324
P&LE 3000-3099
Southern 70000-70299

Thanks in advance!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: triple hopper question

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Frank,
I can confirm the M&StL 3-bay hoppers for you. Stewart (now Bowser) did them correctly lettered for the M&StL. I provided info to Stewart and have some of them. They are nice models with sufficient accuracy to suit me.

Accurail also has or will have one for the M&StL although I have yet to see one.

All M&StL open hoppers were always black and only black until the mid-1950s when some bright red ones were purchased from ACF but these had straight sides. They are not the ones to which you referred.

Gene Green


conductor's reefer data

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I've recently finished transcribing a conductor's time book for part of the Coast Line from 1948 to 1952, and it contains extensive reefer car information. The loads in question are almost all vegetables from the Salinas and Watsonville areas, and the analysis of reporting marks present in the data is interesting. For those who may wish to look at the results, I've summarized the findings in a post on my SP modeling blog, which may be found at:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/02/modeling-freight-traffic-coast-line.html

Bottom line is that, of course, PFE cars dominated (76%) but ART cars at 11% and MDT cars at about 4% were also significant. Quite a few other reporting marks showed up too but in pretty small numbers, out of 1102 total refrigerator cars in the sample.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Tank Car Color Guide Volume 1

Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
 

Re: Morning Sun book

Tank Car Color Guide Volume 1: Cars with Full Center Sills
&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;James Kinkaid

&#65279;An all-color encyclopedia of more than 300 privately-owned tank cars. Many long lost companies are included in this colorful book. Item #1394

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I see that volume 2 is scheduled to be released soon (stub sill cars). For one who wishes to model steam-era tank cars, I hope to discover whether or not volume 1 is a worthwhile resource. Close-up photos of details, and so on?

Thanks much,

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


Frisco variation

jerryglow2
 

At some unnamed instigator's request, I've modified the Frisco USRA
rebuild set to also offer it with the "Frisco Fast Freight" slogan on
the right.
See sample: http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/SLSF_FFF.jpg

--
Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

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