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Blackstone tank car

Clark Propst
 

I saw one of the Blackstone (Soundtraxx) HOn3 UTLX tanks in a hobby shop.

Would those cars have operated with standard gauge trucks? If so what style for truck?

At 60 bucks you really have to want one!

Thanks,
Clark Propst


Re: Coke container cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

asychis@...
 

Dorin's book Missouri Pacific Trains and equipment has a photo of a
Missouri-Illinois 300-series gondola with coke containers. These look similar to
USRA composite gondolas without the side sheathing, but are not exact
copies. Missouri Pacific had 39 coke cars built from boxcars (probably the 120000
series) with three side doors and no roof numbered in the 12070-1299,
along with cars 120093, 120179, 120269, 120280, 120526, and 120880. These were
38' -3" in length by 10' -5" wide by 13' high (ORER extreme height column)
with 6' long by 7' -6" high doors, 2563 cu. ft., 40 ton cars. There was
also the 7100-7199 series 70-ton coke gondolas built by the MP DeSoto shops in
1955. Of course the boxcars and the 7100-series gondolas were for coke
loading, not containers. I don't have specific car information, but the
panel-side gondolas and modified gondolas similar to the MI cars mentioned above
were also used for coke containers.

Jerry Michels


Re: Blackstone tank car

Barrybennetttoo@...
 

These were discussed at some length on this site a few months ago, under
iirc, Van Dyke...

Barry Bennett
Coventry, England


Re: triple hopper question

A. Premo <armprem2@...>
 

What no quad hoppers? Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] triple hopper question



Frank

Something that would account for dimensional differences in this
CNW series is you've got 3 bay, and 4 bay cars, some with ribbed
sides, some with rebuild panel (blister) sides, and some offsets.

I think with 3 bay hoppers, esp offset hoppers, aren't we headed
straight down the same road we went down with the 2 bay offsets?
Lots and lots of variations?

Tim O'Connor

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>CNW 65101-68103 odds
>
>Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have
>photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM
>cars.
>
>Frank Valoczy
>Vancouver, BC






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Re: triple hopper question

Tim O'Connor
 

Frank

Something that would account for dimensional differences in this
CNW series is you've got 3 bay, and 4 bay cars, some with ribbed
sides, some with rebuild panel (blister) sides, and some offsets.

I think with 3 bay hoppers, esp offset hoppers, aren't we headed
straight down the same road we went down with the 2 bay offsets?
Lots and lots of variations?

Tim O'Connor

--------------------------------

CNW 65101-68103 odds

Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have
photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM
cars.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: triple hopper question

Todd Horton
 

Frank, I have photos of these cars if you need one for reference. Todd Horton




________________________________
From: Frank Valoczy <destron@vcn.bc.ca>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 9:21:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] triple hopper question

 
Todd Horton wrote:
I'm not sure how well they match but the C of G had 3 bay offset side
cars. They
were numbered 700-899, built in 1934 by PS . Todd Horton
Hi Todd,

I had that CG series listed in a second group of possibilities, in which I
listed cars that had a greater divergence in certain dimensions (including
capacity) than those in the first group.

The second group listed:

CG 700-899
Carbon County 7300-7349
B&O 621000-624999
LV 41000-41699
Roberval-Saguenay 932-961
Minnesota Western 100-129
CGW 69000-69099
CNW 65101-68103 odds
CMO 49701-49999 odds
IC 81500-81744
C&IW 900-934
C&IM 1000-1098, 11000-11049

Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have
photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM
cars.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC







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Re: triple hopper question

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Todd Horton wrote:
I'm not sure how well they match but the C of G had 3 bay offset side
cars. They
were numbered 700-899, built in 1934 by PS . Todd Horton
Hi Todd,

I had that CG series listed in a second group of possibilities, in which I
listed cars that had a greater divergence in certain dimensions (including
capacity) than those in the first group.

The second group listed:

CG 700-899
Carbon County 7300-7349
B&O 621000-624999
LV 41000-41699
Roberval-Saguenay 932-961
Minnesota Western 100-129
CGW 69000-69099
CNW 65101-68103 odds
CMO 49701-49999 odds
IC 81500-81744
C&IW 900-934
C&IM 1000-1098, 11000-11049

Some of these though have dimensional info which match cars that I do have
photos of, that are quite different in appearance from the NYC and PM
cars.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: triple hopper question

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Hi Al,

I'm in TT scale; if I were in HO, then my tolerance with regards to
details like that would be rather more strict. The model-to-come will be
developed using drawings and photos of PM cars, so they should be correct
for that and NYC, but overall, no, that's not an essential feature. Maybe
in ten years' time, though... technologies such as 3D printing have been a
great gift to TT, and I can only see the situation improving.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

al_brown03 wrote:

The NYC and PM series you mention both have the "sloped-stepped"
end-side-sheet taper. Is this an essential feature? To me in HO it would
be; but I've forgotten what scale you're in.

-- apologies for any obscurity --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Valoczy" <destron@...> wrote:

Hi,

Wondering if anyone might be able to help me a bit... I'm trying to
determine what all could be modelled with a 3-bay offset-side hopper
visually like the NYC 904000-904999 or PM 15000-15249 series.

I already know of a number of such, but went through the ORER looking
for
other possible matches, and am curious if anyone can confirm or deny
these. I'm looking for cars that are visually similar - if it looks
right
at first glance, that's good enough - right number of panels, etc; minor
dimensional difference (within a foot) aren't important - I don't have
the
variety of available models you HO guys do, to let me be quite that
picky!

So the possibles I found...

CIL 4501-4601
CN 108600-109099, 109105-109954, 119000-119499
CP 360000-360724
DT&I 1600-1649
Louisiana & Arkansas 4400-4799
M&StL 66001-66499
MP 61000-61999, 62000-62759
Missouri-Illinois 6350-6449
NKP/W&LE 78000-80999
Ontario Northland 140300-140324
P&LE 3000-3099
Southern 70000-70299

Thanks in advance!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC



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Re: triple hopper question

al_brown03
 

The NYC and PM series you mention both have the "sloped-stepped" end-side-sheet taper. Is this an essential feature? To me in HO it would be; but I've forgotten what scale you're in.

-- apologies for any obscurity --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Valoczy" <destron@...> wrote:

Hi,

Wondering if anyone might be able to help me a bit... I'm trying to
determine what all could be modelled with a 3-bay offset-side hopper
visually like the NYC 904000-904999 or PM 15000-15249 series.

I already know of a number of such, but went through the ORER looking for
other possible matches, and am curious if anyone can confirm or deny
these. I'm looking for cars that are visually similar - if it looks right
at first glance, that's good enough - right number of panels, etc; minor
dimensional difference (within a foot) aren't important - I don't have the
variety of available models you HO guys do, to let me be quite that picky!

So the possibles I found...

CIL 4501-4601
CN 108600-109099, 109105-109954, 119000-119499
CP 360000-360724
DT&I 1600-1649
Louisiana & Arkansas 4400-4799
M&StL 66001-66499
MP 61000-61999, 62000-62759
Missouri-Illinois 6350-6449
NKP/W&LE 78000-80999
Ontario Northland 140300-140324
P&LE 3000-3099
Southern 70000-70299

Thanks in advance!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: triple hopper question

Todd Horton
 

I'm not sure how well they match but the C of G had 3 bay offset side cars. They
were numbered 700-899, built in 1934 by PS . Todd Horton



________________________________
From: Frank Valoczy <destron@vcn.bc.ca>
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 8:21:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] triple hopper question

 
Hi,

Wondering if anyone might be able to help me a bit... I'm trying to
determine what all could be modelled with a 3-bay offset-side hopper
visually like the NYC 904000-904999 or PM 15000-15249 series.

I already know of a number of such, but went through the ORER looking for
other possible matches, and am curious if anyone can confirm or deny
these. I'm looking for cars that are visually similar - if it looks right
at first glance, that's good enough - right number of panels, etc; minor
dimensional difference (within a foot) aren't important - I don't have the
variety of available models you HO guys do, to let me be quite that picky!

So the possibles I found...

CIL 4501-4601
CN 108600-109099, 109105-109954, 119000-119499
CP 360000-360724
DT&I 1600-1649
Louisiana & Arkansas 4400-4799
M&StL 66001-66499
MP 61000-61999, 62000-62759
Missouri-Illinois 6350-6449
NKP/W&LE 78000-80999
Ontario Northland 140300-140324
P&LE 3000-3099
Southern 70000-70299

Thanks in advance!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: triple hopper question

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Frank,
I can confirm the M&StL 3-bay hoppers for you. Stewart (now Bowser) did them correctly lettered for the M&StL. I provided info to Stewart and have some of them. They are nice models with sufficient accuracy to suit me.

Accurail also has or will have one for the M&StL although I have yet to see one.

All M&StL open hoppers were always black and only black until the mid-1950s when some bright red ones were purchased from ACF but these had straight sides. They are not the ones to which you referred.

Gene Green


conductor's reefer data

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I've recently finished transcribing a conductor's time book for part of the Coast Line from 1948 to 1952, and it contains extensive reefer car information. The loads in question are almost all vegetables from the Salinas and Watsonville areas, and the analysis of reporting marks present in the data is interesting. For those who may wish to look at the results, I've summarized the findings in a post on my SP modeling blog, which may be found at:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/02/modeling-freight-traffic-coast-line.html

Bottom line is that, of course, PFE cars dominated (76%) but ART cars at 11% and MDT cars at about 4% were also significant. Quite a few other reporting marks showed up too but in pretty small numbers, out of 1102 total refrigerator cars in the sample.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Tank Car Color Guide Volume 1

Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
 

Re: Morning Sun book

Tank Car Color Guide Volume 1: Cars with Full Center Sills
&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;&#65279;James Kinkaid

&#65279;An all-color encyclopedia of more than 300 privately-owned tank cars. Many long lost companies are included in this colorful book. Item #1394

---------

I see that volume 2 is scheduled to be released soon (stub sill cars). For one who wishes to model steam-era tank cars, I hope to discover whether or not volume 1 is a worthwhile resource. Close-up photos of details, and so on?

Thanks much,

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


Frisco variation

jerryglow2
 

At some unnamed instigator's request, I've modified the Frisco USRA
rebuild set to also offer it with the "Frisco Fast Freight" slogan on
the right.
See sample: http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/SLSF_FFF.jpg

--
Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html


triple hopper question

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Hi,

Wondering if anyone might be able to help me a bit... I'm trying to
determine what all could be modelled with a 3-bay offset-side hopper
visually like the NYC 904000-904999 or PM 15000-15249 series.

I already know of a number of such, but went through the ORER looking for
other possible matches, and am curious if anyone can confirm or deny
these. I'm looking for cars that are visually similar - if it looks right
at first glance, that's good enough - right number of panels, etc; minor
dimensional difference (within a foot) aren't important - I don't have the
variety of available models you HO guys do, to let me be quite that picky!

So the possibles I found...

CIL 4501-4601
CN 108600-109099, 109105-109954, 119000-119499
CP 360000-360724
DT&I 1600-1649
Louisiana & Arkansas 4400-4799
M&StL 66001-66499
MP 61000-61999, 62000-62759
Missouri-Illinois 6350-6449
NKP/W&LE 78000-80999
Ontario Northland 140300-140324
P&LE 3000-3099
Southern 70000-70299

Thanks in advance!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: SOUTHERN Stock Car Drawings

Dave Nelson
 

Does the SRHA have much in the way of old freight car drawings? I'd sure
like to a cad model of the 36ft cars Westerfield did in resin.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SOUTHERN Stock Car Drawings

Alan, try emailing the Southern Railway Historical Assoc. They may be able
to help you. I have worked in the archives but have not seen the stock car
drawings as of yet.
Regards,
Fenton


WOODEN CABOOSE ROOFS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

A few weeks ago there was a nice discussion on the weatherproofing of Southern Pacific
wood caboose roofs. Does anyone know if the Union Pacific and Western Pacific used
a similar technique on their wood caboose roofs? This would result in very dark gray
roofs for the paint jobs (the cars being finished in boxcar red).

Thanks in advance:

Bill Pardie


Re: SOUTHERN Stock Car Drawings

O Fenton Wells
 

Alan, try emailing the Southern Railway Historical Assoc. They may be able
to help you. I have worked in the archives but have not seen the stock car
drawings as of yet.
Regards,
Fenton

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Allen Cain <allencain@comcast.net> wrote:



Does anyone have detailed drawings of Southern's 40 ft stock cars that
would
have been in service in the early 1950s? I have Southern's diagram 30-F-13
but this does not have much detail. These were in series 45200-45649 and
45650-46002. I am considering a scratch build project after reviewing the
article on building these cars that was published by Model Railroader in
April, 1957 but neither this article or the Southern diagram 30-F-13 has
enough detail to work from with any great degree of accuracy. Any help
would be appreciated and can be sent to me off-list at
allencain@comcast.net
or post comments on list to get a dialog going.

I considered trying to kitbash a P2K stock car but the outside bracing is
wrong. However, with more details I might still go this route. Has anyone
attempted this with any success?

Allen Cain






--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@gmail.com


SOUTHERN Stock Car Drawings

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Does anyone have detailed drawings of Southern's 40 ft stock cars that would
have been in service in the early 1950s? I have Southern's diagram 30-F-13
but this does not have much detail. These were in series 45200-45649 and
45650-46002. I am considering a scratch build project after reviewing the
article on building these cars that was published by Model Railroader in
April, 1957 but neither this article or the Southern diagram 30-F-13 has
enough detail to work from with any great degree of accuracy. Any help
would be appreciated and can be sent to me off-list at allencain@comcast.net
or post comments on list to get a dialog going.



I considered trying to kitbash a P2K stock car but the outside bracing is
wrong. However, with more details I might still go this route. Has anyone
attempted this with any success?



Allen Cain


Re: decal for Frisco rebuild

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Does anyone make the brown and tan "Frisco Fast Freight" set?

--
Thanks!

Brian Paul Ehni



From: Gerald Glow <jerryglow@comcast.net>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:38:11 -0500
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] decal for Frisco rebuild








Thanks to Richard Hendrickson for some excellent photos I have been
able
to complete artwork and accepting orders for a set for the Frisco USRA
rebuild. Acc to my notes, Frisco was the largest owner of USRA DS cars
and rebuilt many of them. See sample at:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/SLSF_rebuild.jpg

--
Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

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