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Re: CG 7115 PS-1

Tim O'Connor
 

John

A 1960's Jim Sands photo of CG 7071 clearly shows the car had black
ends. The roof is very peeled, but there are remnants of what could
have been black car cement. The running board in the photo is so
bright and unpainted galvanized metal that it might actually be
a replacement. I know, real helpful huh? :-)

I think CG had 9 orders of 40' PS-1's from 1952 to 1957, so maybe
some of the paint specifications got mixed up? :-) I've seen no
builder photos from 7000-7299.

Tim O'Connor

In researching Kadee's CG PS-1 #7115 (CG 7000-7299 blt 4/52) I ran across some conflicting information...

First, the model (Kadee #5111) was produced with a silver roof and running board to represent an un-painted galvanized finish.
see: http://www.kadee.com/ca/40ps1/40ps1b.htm

The Central of Georgia Railway Historical Society web site says this car should have an oxide red roof.
see: http://tinyurl.com/5uvk9ar

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #4, p 28 says the roof should be black - black car cement.

Can anyone clarify for me what color the roof (and running board) should be for this car when it was new.

-John Hile


Re: Waybills

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
You may want to look at this group -- they have compiled spreadsheets of real railroad freight shippers. Can you say "information overload"?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/
Don't know if it's the same database, but the OpSIG (operations) group also has a huge listing of shippers on line, at opsig.org

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Waybills

Tim O'Connor
 

Jan

You may want to look at this group -- they have compiled spreadsheets
of real railroad freight shippers. Can you say "information overload"?

:-)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/

Tim O'

At 2/21/2011 07:32 PM Monday, you wrote:
Thanks Tim, that is what I am doing. I have copies of blank NKP waybills and also copies of some filled out waybills. I do have info on NKP industries from a 1944 shippers list. Just trying to get a better feel for who shipped what where. Jan


CG 7115 PS-1

John Hile
 

Hello All,

In researching Kadee's CG PS-1 #7115 (CG 7000-7299 blt 4/52) I ran across some conflicting information...

First, the model (Kadee #5111) was produced with a silver roof and running board to represent an un-painted galvanized finish.
see: http://www.kadee.com/ca/40ps1/40ps1b.htm

The Central of Georgia Railway Historical Society web site says this car should have an oxide red roof.
see: http://tinyurl.com/5uvk9ar

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #4, p 28 says the roof should be black - black car cement.

Can anyone clarify for me what color the roof (and running board) should be for this car when it was new.

-John Hile


Re: Waybills

foxtrackin50
 

Thanks Tim, that is what I am doing. I have copies of blank NKP waybills and also copies of some filled out waybills. I do have info on NKP industries from a 1944 shippers list. Just trying to get a better feel for who shipped what where. Jan

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Jan

If you model the NKP, you will want to find a prototype waybill (or scan)
from the NKP for your time period. Then print blanks on your computer, or
whatever. I'm sure Tony Koester knows where to find them! I've only operated
on one model layout who uses miniature prototype waybills, Dan Holbrook's
Duluth-Superior terminal. It adds some prototype flavor to operations. I
can't help you, I only have SP and RI examples.

Tim O'Connor


I am wanting to model using real waybills or copies of real waybills of trains that are passing thru Frankfort,In on the Nickel Plate. I have some waybills but wondering where or how I would go about getting more. They would not need to be Industries on the NKP but just cars that would be routed on the NKP either on the Cloverleaf div. or the LE&W div. Is there a source for waybills. I am modeling mid fifties but any waybill from the forties thru the early sixies would work. Is there a web site or books about waybills. Thanks Jan


Re: conductor's reefer data

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony, it would be fascinating to know if you could correlate the
number of ART cars (which really surprises me!) with known traffic
patterns for ART, like the annual peach crop from western Colorado
or produce (watermelons and canteloupes) from south Texas. What
I'm driving at is, wondering why so many ART reefers would show
up in California? In my modeling era 10 years later, the BAR had
acquired a lot more reefers, and from photos we know that at some
times of year (spring/summer) a lot of BAR reefers were used for
PFE loads out of northern California.

Tim O'Connor

I've recently finished transcribing a conductor's time book for
part of the Coast Line from 1948 to 1952, and it contains extensive
reefer car information. The loads in question are almost all
vegetables from the Salinas and Watsonville areas, and the analysis of
reporting marks present in the data is interesting. For those who may
wish to look at the results, I've summarized the findings in a post on
my SP modeling blog, which may be found at:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/02/modeling-freight-traffic-coast-line.html

Bottom line is that, of course, PFE cars dominated (76%) but ART cars
at 11% and MDT cars at about 4% were also significant. Quite a few
other reporting marks showed up too but in pretty small numbers, out
of 1102 total refrigerator cars in the sample.

Tony Thompson


Re: Waybills

foxtrackin50
 

Thanks Steve, I did just join that group. I live near Frankfort and I am a friend of Don Daily who is a friend of Tony. Just trying to make my waybills as real as possible. I like the way car cards work, but do not like the way they look.

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Hoxie" <stevehprr@...> wrote:

Hi Jan--You might get some info here, but you might want to join
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Proto-Layouts/ where Tony Koester hangs out. If anyone knows Frankfort, he does.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@..., "foxtrackin50" <foxtrackin50@> wrote:

I am wanting to model using real waybills or copies of real waybills of trains that are passing thru Frankfort,In on the Nickel Plate. I have some waybills but wondering where or how I would go about getting more. They would not need to be Industries on the NKP but just cars that would be routed on the NKP either on the Cloverleaf div. or the LE&W div. Is there a source for waybills. I am modeling mid fifties but any waybill from the forties thru the early sixies would work. Is there a web site or books about waybills. Thanks Jan


Re: Waybills

Tim O'Connor
 

Jan

If you model the NKP, you will want to find a prototype waybill (or scan)
from the NKP for your time period. Then print blanks on your computer, or
whatever. I'm sure Tony Koester knows where to find them! I've only operated
on one model layout who uses miniature prototype waybills, Dan Holbrook's
Duluth-Superior terminal. It adds some prototype flavor to operations. I
can't help you, I only have SP and RI examples.

Tim O'Connor

I am wanting to model using real waybills or copies of real waybills of trains that are passing thru Frankfort,In on the Nickel Plate. I have some waybills but wondering where or how I would go about getting more. They would not need to be Industries on the NKP but just cars that would be routed on the NKP either on the Cloverleaf div. or the LE&W div. Is there a source for waybills. I am modeling mid fifties but any waybill from the forties thru the early sixies would work. Is there a web site or books about waybills. Thanks Jan


Re: No joy

rwitt_2000
 

Rich Townsend accidently wrote:

Would you be interested in a 1917 RA article on B&O reefers? They
ended up in FGE, didn't they? It has no overall plans, but there are
several detail drawings and cross-sections.
Kenneth Chapin replied:

I would like to see this on the B & O cars.
Ken,

I have a copy of that article describing the construction of the B&O
class R-7 refrigerator cars. Getting a clean copy can be difficult
especially when the journal volumes become very thick. As Rich stated
there are only detail drawings and cross-sections of the ice bunkers.
This article unfortunately did not include a general arrangement
drawing.

To answer Rich's question, yes the B&O sold some of their class R-7 to
the FGE.

Maybe this email exchange and accidental post should become a private
one between Bill and Rich.

Bob Witt


Re: No joy

kenneth chapin <kenneth_chapin@...>
 

Hi;
 I would like to see this on the B & O cars,thanks ken chapin

--- On Mon, 2/21/11, richtownsend@... <richtownsend@...> wrote:

From: richtownsend@... <richtownsend@...>
Subject: [STMFC] No joy
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, February 21, 2011, 11:11 AM







 











Bill,



I had no luck at the library with Railway Age. I searched the indexes for "refrigerator," "car, freight, refrigerator," "car, refrigerator," and "fruit growers" and found nothing referring to the experimental cars you are interested in. In fact, I didn't find a single mention of FGE from 1909 through the 1920's. I was at the University of Oregon library, and they don't have Railway Mechanical Engineer, but that might be a likely place for what you are looking for.



Would you be interested in a 1917 RA article on B&O reefers? They ended up in FGE, didn't they? It has no overall plans, but there are several detail drawings and cross-sections.



Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, Oregon



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Re: Waybills

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Jan--You might get some info here, but you might want to join
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Proto-Layouts/ where Tony Koester hangs out. If anyone knows Frankfort, he does.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@..., "foxtrackin50" <foxtrackin50@...> wrote:

I am wanting to model using real waybills or copies of real waybills of trains that are passing thru Frankfort,In on the Nickel Plate. I have some waybills but wondering where or how I would go about getting more. They would not need to be Industries on the NKP but just cars that would be routed on the NKP either on the Cloverleaf div. or the LE&W div. Is there a source for waybills. I am modeling mid fifties but any waybill from the forties thru the early sixies would work. Is there a web site or books about waybills. Thanks Jan


Re: Blackstone tank car

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,
 
Give the Bitter Creek Shops a try; they have many of the older style
trucks in cast metal form. I've used some with satisfactory results.
 
Fred Freitas


From: Jack Burgess <jack@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Blackstone tank car


 
The frameless "Van Dyke" ones started out as standard gauge tank cars and
were converted to narrow gauge. Richard Hendrickson did an article on them
in the December 1996 RMC (using a Precision Scale kit). Getting correct
trucks for them (if you model after the mid-1930s) is the difficulty...they
need cast 5' wheelbase trucks to be correct. The article describes how to
achieve this. A lot of them appeared on the YV and I followed Richard's
article to model a half dozen of them a few years ago...they are a neat
looking tank car!

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

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<I saw one of the Blackstone (Soundtraxx) HOn3 UTLX tanks in a hobby
<shop.
<
<Would those cars have operated with standard gauge trucks? If so what
<style for truck?
<
<At 60 bucks you really have to want one!
<
<Thanks,
<Clark Propst




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Re: Blackstone tank car, speaking of tanks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Speaking of tank cars is there any additional
information of the atsf Tk-G, H, etc. that was
discussed some months ago?


Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: No joy

Richard Townsend
 

Sorry. That was meant for Bill Welch.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: richtownsend@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 8:11 am
Subject: [STMFC] No joy





Bill,

I had no luck at the library with Railway Age. I searched the indexes for "refrigerator," "car, freight, refrigerator," "car, refrigerator," and "fruit growers" and found nothing referring to the experimental cars you are interested in. In fact, I didn't find a single mention of FGE from 1909 through the 1920's. I was at the University of Oregon library, and they don't have Railway Mechanical Engineer, but that might be a likely place for what you are looking for.

Would you be interested in a 1917 RA article on B&O reefers? They ended up in FGE, didn't they? It has no overall plans, but there are several detail drawings and cross-sections.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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Re: Blackstone tank car

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Barry,
I read a post where Richard states the cars were gone by 53 because of problems mounting AB brakes. I model 54. Guess that saves me $60 and fooling around with trucks!
Clark Propst


No joy

Richard Townsend
 

Bill,

I had no luck at the library with Railway Age. I searched the indexes for "refrigerator," "car, freight, refrigerator," "car, refrigerator," and "fruit growers" and found nothing referring to the experimental cars you are interested in. In fact, I didn't find a single mention of FGE from 1909 through the 1920's. I was at the University of Oregon library, and they don't have Railway Mechanical Engineer, but that might be a likely place for what you are looking for.

Would you be interested in a 1917 RA article on B&O reefers? They ended up in FGE, didn't they? It has no overall plans, but there are several detail drawings and cross-sections.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


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Re: Blackstone tank car

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

The frameless "Van Dyke" ones started out as standard gauge tank cars and
were converted to narrow gauge. Richard Hendrickson did an article on them
in the December 1996 RMC (using a Precision Scale kit). Getting correct
trucks for them (if you model after the mid-1930s) is the difficulty...they
need cast 5' wheelbase trucks to be correct. The article describes how to
achieve this. A lot of them appeared on the YV and I followed Richard's
article to model a half dozen of them a few years ago...they are a neat
looking tank car!


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


<
<I saw one of the Blackstone (Soundtraxx) HOn3 UTLX tanks in a hobby
<shop.
<
<Would those cars have operated with standard gauge trucks? If so what
<style for truck?
<
<At 60 bucks you really have to want one!
<
<Thanks,
<Clark Propst


Waybills

foxtrackin50
 

I am wanting to model using real waybills or copies of real waybills of trains that are passing thru Frankfort,In on the Nickel Plate. I have some waybills but wondering where or how I would go about getting more. They would not need to be Industries on the NKP but just cars that would be routed on the NKP either on the Cloverleaf div. or the LE&W div. Is there a source for waybills. I am modeling mid fifties but any waybill from the forties thru the early sixies would work. Is there a web site or books about waybills. Thanks Jan


Blackstone tank car

Clark Propst
 

I saw one of the Blackstone (Soundtraxx) HOn3 UTLX tanks in a hobby shop.

Would those cars have operated with standard gauge trucks? If so what style for truck?

At 60 bucks you really have to want one!

Thanks,
Clark Propst


Re: Coke container cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

asychis@...
 

Dorin's book Missouri Pacific Trains and equipment has a photo of a
Missouri-Illinois 300-series gondola with coke containers. These look similar to
USRA composite gondolas without the side sheathing, but are not exact
copies. Missouri Pacific had 39 coke cars built from boxcars (probably the 120000
series) with three side doors and no roof numbered in the 12070-1299,
along with cars 120093, 120179, 120269, 120280, 120526, and 120880. These were
38' -3" in length by 10' -5" wide by 13' high (ORER extreme height column)
with 6' long by 7' -6" high doors, 2563 cu. ft., 40 ton cars. There was
also the 7100-7199 series 70-ton coke gondolas built by the MP DeSoto shops in
1955. Of course the boxcars and the 7100-series gondolas were for coke
loading, not containers. I don't have specific car information, but the
panel-side gondolas and modified gondolas similar to the MI cars mentioned above
were also used for coke containers.

Jerry Michels

98001 - 98020 of 195521