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Re: Red Caboose X29

Aley, Jeff A
 

Bruce (et. al.),

Please remind me: from whom should I buy HO decals for a patch-panelled X29? I would like to represent cars as they appeared in 1952.

Thanks,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose X29



Max,

In fact, the 1924 X29, both with and without patch panels, is
available from RC.
RC-7002
'HO' Undecorated X-29 '24 Steel Plate End Box Car
In Stock
US$ 19.95
RC-7005

'HO' Undecorated X-29 w/plate end, body side sill patch
In Stock
US$ 19.95

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Feb 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Max,

Are they not available from Red Caboose?

Regards,

-Jeff


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Does anyone haveither a kit on an unpainted assembled model of the
Red Caboose "original" version of an X-29 boxcar they would be
willing to sell ortrade for? I'm in the market for at least 3 such
cars.

Thanks,

Nax
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Re: PRR X32 D Question

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Nelson wrote:
"I suppose the double door could change the location and/or size of the
cross-bearers and maybe something along the side sills too... but the center
sill itself would probably be the same for all these classes, don't you think?"

I agree.  The changes would likely be in crossbearer location, and a comparison
of these two builders photos shows an additional sidesill reinfocerment below
the doors of the Class X32B automobile car:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X32a_E12406_Side_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX32

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X32b_E15370_Side_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX32



Ben Hom


Re: Modeling truss rods - lessons learned

Robert Tomb
 

Ned and Group,

I made up mine from styrene rod on this gon (photo in ICGHogger album). All of the components are plastic, so it went together pretty fast. I get the gap needed for the turnbuckle and I cold-form the rods as I go.

Robert Tomb
Spring, TX

--- In STMFC@..., "Ned Carey" <nedspam@...> wrote:

Thank you to all that suggested ideas for modeling truss rods. I tried several techniques and report my results below.

First I tried ACC to hold two separate pieces of line to the turnbuckle, intending to leave a gap in the turnbuckle. I was surprised at the holding power. However when I glued the 2nd side in the ACC filled the turnbuckle gap. With practice this should work but I moved on to other methods.

Next I tried to heat the end of the monofilament to create a mushroom to hold it to the turnbuckle. It was difficult to get the second piece of monofilament to feed through the side of the turnbuckle. The one I did this way popped loose. I redid it and added ACC and it appears fine now, with a nice open turnbuckle.

In both cases above I found it difficult to get the turnbuckle centered between the queen posts. I needed an extra pair of hands to hold the nylon monofilament tight while I centered and glued the turnbuckle. I found my extra pair of hands by using clamping tweezers on the mono. I let the weight of the tweezers pull the mono tight while I used my hands to center and glue in place.

Frustration led me to try using one piece of monofilament weaved back and forth through the floor and over the queen posts. I fed the mono. though the turnbuckles which meant I wouldn't have that "see Through" look. This allowed me to pull the mono tight and the turnbuckles could be aligned and glued after the stringing is done. If I didn't care about the see through look this is the technique I would go with.

Truss rods work on a model just like they do in real life. When I was done I noticed that the floor was curved upwards in the middle. To make sure the monofilament was taught and straight I put enough tension on them to curve the floor. To have the truss rods straight with less tension I now pre-stress ( put a kink in) the monofilament at the bends.

I grit blasted the model and put it in the ultrasonic cleaner. The ultrasonic loosened the Truss Rods! I thought I would have to start over. A quick hit with a hair drier and I could watch the rods tighten up. All was good again.


Conclusion - my future technique:
1.. Mushroom end of monofilament with a soldering iron, feed through the turnbuckle from the middle and ACC
2.. Do one truss rod at a time
3.. Use clamping tweezers to pull the mono tight.
4.. Pre-stress the mono at the bends
5.. Glue with free hand
I hope my experiences will help someone else.

Ned Carey
Laurel, MD



Re: Waybills

George Simmons
 

--- In STMFC@..., "A. Premo" <armprem2@...> wrote:

Question:Would waybills be as important (in the model world) for through freights as to way freights?Armand Premo
Depends. Do the through freights have any work on the model portion? If they just roll through without stopping then no they might not be as important. But if cars must be removed from one train and set into another then they will be needed. On a friends model railroad, cars that just move from staging to stagning have a carcard but instead of a waybill, they just have a card in the pocket that says "THRU". When working these train in the two classification yards, the cars with the "THRU" cards are never taken out of the train, well hardly every.

George Simmons
Dry Prong, LA


Re: PRR X32 D Question

Dave Nelson
 

I suppose the double door could change the location and/or size of the
cross-bearers and maybe something along the side sills too... but the center
sill itself would probably be the same for all these classes, don't you
think?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] PRR X32 D Question

Dave Nelson wrote:
"My library tells me the PRR X32 d was a rebuild from earlier X32 B and C
cars.
with the most obvious external change being a double door car was made into
a single door car. Now that it has just one door (just like the original
X32), other than the roof contour, are there any other differences between
the original X32 and the X32 D?"

All Class X32D had the later "flush" contour roof and a 7 ft 2 in door
opening. Be advised that the Bowser HO scale model's door is too narrow as
it uses the main door from their 12 ft 6 in opening Class X32A kit.


"Also, did all the X32 cars use an identical underframe design?"

That's a good question.  The design was revised during the production run
for Class X32A, widening the door opening from 12 ft 1 in to 14 ft 6 in. 
All Class X32B and X32C cars had the wider door opening.  It follows that
the underframe should have been changed as a consequence; this is something
that needs to be further researched.


Ben Hom


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Re: Blackstone tank car

Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
 

Norman.......Website link....Jim W.


http://www.bittercreekmodels.com/




________________________________
From: Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 12:07:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Blackstone tank car

 
Do you have a little more information on Bitter Creek Shops?
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Freitas" <prrinvt@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Blackstone tank car

GUYZ,

Give the Bitter Creek Shops a try; they have many of the older style
trucks in cast metal form. I've used some with satisfactory results.

Fred Freitas

From: Jack Burgess <jack@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Blackstone tank car

The frameless "Van Dyke" ones started out as standard gauge tank cars and
were converted to narrow gauge. Richard Hendrickson did an article on them
in the December 1996 RMC (using a Precision Scale kit). Getting correct
trucks for them (if you model after the mid-1930s) is the difficulty...they
need cast 5' wheelbase trucks to be correct. The article describes how to
achieve this. A lot of them appeared on the YV and I followed Richard's
article to model a half dozen of them a few years ago...they are a neat
looking tank car!

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

<
<I saw one of the Blackstone (Soundtraxx) HOn3 UTLX tanks in a hobby
<shop.
<
<Would those cars have operated with standard gauge trucks? If so what
<style for truck?
<
<At 60 bucks you really have to want one!
<
<Thanks,
<Clark Propst



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Re: PRR X32 D Question

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Nelson wrote:
"My library tells me the PRR X32 d was a rebuild from earlier X32 B and C cars.
with the most obvious external change being a double door car was made into a
single door car. Now that it has just one door (just like the original X32),
other than the roof contour, are there any other differences between the
original X32 and the X32 D?"

All Class X32D had the later "flush" contour roof and a 7 ft 2 in door opening. 
Be advised that the Bowser HO scale model's door is too narrow as it uses the
main door from their 12 ft 6 in opening Class X32A kit.


"Also, did all the X32 cars use an identical underframe design?"

That's a good question.  The design was revised during the production run for
Class X32A, widening the door opening from 12 ft 1 in to 14 ft 6 in.  All Class
X32B and X32C cars had the wider door opening.  It follows that the underframe
should have been changed as a consequence; this is something that needs to be
further researched.


Ben Hom


PRR X32 D Question

Dave Nelson
 

My library tells me the PRR X32 d was a rebuild from earlier X32 B and C
cars. with the most obvious external change being a double door car was made
into a single door car. Now that it has just one door (just like the
original X32), other than the roof contour, are there any other differences
between the original X32 and the X32 D? Also, did all the X32 cars use an
identical underframe design?



Dave Nelson


Re: Blackstone tank car

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

Do you have a little more information on Bitter Creek Shops?
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Freitas" <prrinvt@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Blackstone tank car


GUYZ,

Give the Bitter Creek Shops a try; they have many of the older style
trucks in cast metal form. I've used some with satisfactory results.

Fred Freitas


From: Jack Burgess <jack@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Blackstone tank car



The frameless "Van Dyke" ones started out as standard gauge tank cars and
were converted to narrow gauge. Richard Hendrickson did an article on them
in the December 1996 RMC (using a Precision Scale kit). Getting correct
trucks for them (if you model after the mid-1930s) is the difficulty...they
need cast 5' wheelbase trucks to be correct. The article describes how to
achieve this. A lot of them appeared on the YV and I followed Richard's
article to model a half dozen of them a few years ago...they are a neat
looking tank car!

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

<
<I saw one of the Blackstone (Soundtraxx) HOn3 UTLX tanks in a hobby
<shop.
<
<Would those cars have operated with standard gauge trucks? If so what
<style for truck?
<
<At 60 bucks you really have to want one!
<
<Thanks,
<Clark Propst








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Re: No joy

Charlie Vlk
 

The Railway Age Gazette Mechanical Vol 91 Jan Dec 1917 is available on GoogleBooks as a free download. The B&O refrigerator car article is on page 685.
Charlie Vlk


Re: conductor's reefer data

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

cliff prather wrote:
This was from the brief file in the case and I have not attempted to check all the facts, such as, did BAR have any reefers at the end of WWII or did they just lease cars. This does show as Tony stated, PFE contracted with other reefer owners to supply cars. PFE in this brief stated that they maintain a fleet of cars that could handled only about 90% of the peak traffic demand.
My interview with Pete Holst included the statement that 90% of the peak traffic was the BEST that PFE ever did. Other years it was somewhat less. Of course, most of the year they could handle 100%.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: CG 7115 PS-1

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

Armand,
You make an excellent point. Normally new cars receiving black car
cement on the ends and/or roofs had this coating applied first,
followed by the painting of the rest of the car (i.e., sides).
You mean like this?

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34600/1a34633v.jpg

Painting a car at the repair or "rip" tracks at North Proviso(?), C & NW RR., Chicago, Ill.

Delano, Jack, photographer. CREATED/PUBLISHED 1942 Dec.

Note the slobber job of black car cement near the top corner of the side, which is about to get painted over.


Dennis


Re: CG 7115 PS-1

Ed Hawkins
 

On Feb 22, 2011, at 10:19 AM, A. Premo wrote:

There is also the question of "overspray".Some cars did not receive
the full treatment.The "overspray" may have appeared to be a fully
painted roof to the casual observer.Overhead shots show a wide
variation of coverage.Armand Premo
Armand,
You make an excellent point. Normally new cars receiving black car
cement on the ends and/or roofs had this coating applied first,
followed by the painting of the rest of the car (i.e., sides). When
spraying the sides there was typically some overspray along the edge of
the roof. In black & white photos taken from a relatively low angle,
it's difficult to discern if the car received black car cement or a
painted roof because of the variability of the amount of overspray. An
overhead color photo of a new car would provide conclusive information,
but overhead color photos showing new cars from the 1940s and 1950s are
pretty rare. In some cases only the seam caps received black car
cement, and the overspray from the sides makes the roof appear as the
same color as the sides, when in fact the roof panels were the color
unpainted galvanized steel.

Many PS-1s, as well as box cars from other builders, show a clear
vertical line along the edge of the end where it wraps around to meet
the side. With a good exposure and the right amount of contrast, even a
black & white photo provides clear evidence that the ends were black.
In some cases the vertical line is so sharp that it gives the distinct
impression that the builder masked off the corners of the ends before
painting the sides. Other box cars having black ends didn't receive
such attention to detail, and the freight car paint used for the sides
wrapped around the corners of the ends. This can give a false
impression of the end color if viewed from the side. A good example of
this is found on page 76 of the NYC color guide book, where NYC 45390
has black ends but is difficult to distinguish even in a color photo
due to the amount of overspray on the end. If viewing this car from the
side, the "assumption" would be red ends.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Red Caboose X29

Bruce Smith
 

Max,

In fact, the 1924 X29, both with and without patch panels, is available from RC.
RC-7002
'HO' Undecorated X-29 '24 Steel Plate End Box Car
In Stock
US$ 19.95
RC-7005

'HO' Undecorated X-29 w/plate end, body side sill patch
In Stock
US$ 19.95

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Feb 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Max,

Are they not available from Red Caboose?

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cheat_river_engineering
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: conductor's reefer data



Does anyone haveither a kit on an unpainted assembled model of the Red Caboose "original" version of an X-29 boxcar they would be willing to sell ortrade for? I'm in the market for at least 3 such cars.

Thanks,

Nax
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Re: Red Caboose X29

Brian Carlson
 

Also, I assume you are looking for the Early 1924 X29 body, not the ARA or Later X29 body is this correct. A part number would be helpful.
Brian Carlson

--- On Tue, 2/22/11, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:


From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Red Caboose X29
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:57 AM


 



Max,

Are they not available from Red Caboose?

Regards,

-Jeff


Re: Modeling truss rods - lessons learned

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Why is it that I am a much better proof reader after my message has been posted than before it is posted?

What I intended to type was "Which kit or kits . . ."

Gene Green


Re: Modeling truss rods - lessons learned

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thanks for your synopsis. It is another "keeper."

Which it or kits were you building?

Of what material were the underframes/floors made?

Gene Green


Re: Waybills

A. Premo <armprem2@...>
 

Question:Would waybills be as important (in the model world) for through freights as to way freights?Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 8:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Waybills



Tony

Might be the same raw data, for sure. I don't know, there's only
so much time in the world for most of us. Railroads created paperwork
because they were a business. Paperwork is not my hobby interest. I'm
a minimalist myself -- a waybill only needs to say where the car is
going as far as I'm concerned. :-) Your waybill analysis pays real
dividends because it informs your modeling. But for the life of me
I can't see the utility of knowing that company ABC in East Podunk
bought fresh carrots and company XYZ in West Podunk only bought
oranges -- unless of course, I am modeling the Podunk Terminal Rwy.

Tim O'Connor

--------------------------------------------------

>> You may want to look at this group -- they have compiled
>> spreadsheets of real railroad freight shippers. Can you say
>> "information overload"?
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/
>
>Don't know if it's the same database, but the OpSIG (operations)
>group also has a huge listing of shippers on line, at opsig.org
>
>Tony Thompson






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Re: CG 7115 PS-1

A. Premo <armprem2@...>
 

There is also the question of "overspray".Some cars did not receive the full treatment.The "overspray" may have appeared to be a fully painted roof to the casual observer.Overhead shots show a wide variation of coverage.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Hawkins
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CG 7115 PS-1




On Feb 21, 2011, at 7:03 PM, john66h wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> In researching Kadee's CG PS-1 #7115 (CG 7000-7299 blt 4/52) I ran
> across some conflicting information...
>
> First, the model (Kadee #5111) was produced with a silver roof and
> running board to represent an un-painted galvanized finish.
> see: http://www.kadee.com/ca/40ps1/40ps1b.htm
>
> The Central of Georgia Railway Historical Society web site says this
> car should have an oxide red roof.
> see: http://tinyurl.com/5uvk9ar
>
> Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #4, p 28 says the roof should be black -
> black car cement.
>
> Can anyone clarify for me what color the roof (and running board)
> should be for this car when it was new.

John,
In 1998 I spent some time researching various Pullman-Standard
correspondence files located at the Illinois Railway Museum. According
to the paint specifications that were in the file for lot number 8030,
CG 7000-7299, the sides were painted Glidden Metallic Brown. The ends,
roofs, & underframes received a coat of black car cement, and the
trucks received a light-bodied coat of black paint. This was
Pullman-Standard's "standard" method at the time to paint a PS-1 box
car. Railroads were allowed to deviate from the "standard" that
Pullman-Standard quoted in their PS-1 specification, but it cost more
money to do so. Some railroads deviated anyway.

The correspondence file indicated both white and aluminum stencil paste
was used for lettering the cars. Presumably the white was for the sides
and aluminum was used over black car cement. The aluminum pigment
applied to black car cement was for the purpose of longevity, as it was
thought that white stencil paste wouldn't last as long. This document
was the basis for the paint specs as they were stated in RP CYC Volume
4.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins








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Red Caboose X29

Aley, Jeff A
 

Max,

Are they not available from Red Caboose?

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cheat_river_engineering
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: conductor's reefer data



Does anyone haveither a kit on an unpainted assembled model of the Red Caboose "original" version of an X-29 boxcar they would be willing to sell ortrade for? I'm in the market for at least 3 such cars.

Thanks,

Nax
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