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Re: paint sripping

Dennis Williams
 

I would use caution for some, very few, it will attack.  I used it on branchline Athearn, and Proto ith no problems.
Dennis Williams/Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Raymond Hatfield <iron_horse819@...> wrote:


From: Raymond Hatfield <iron_horse819@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] paint sripping
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 7:39 AM


 



Hello Don,

I'm new to the list, but this is a subject I can comment on - believe it or not,
automotive brake fluid is a safe and effective paint stripper for models (and
autos as well!)  I have a 1:350 scale model of the RMS Titanic I had to totally
strip and repaint, and this worked wonders for me.  Use a shallow dish of an
appropriate size to soak it in, and use an old toothbrush to scrub nooks and
crannies

Raymond L. Hatfield

________________________________
From: sarbuf <djjanes@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 9:09:09 AM
Subject: [STMFC] paint sripping

 
Hello Group: I was just wondering if anyone has stripped the paint, or at least
the lettering off a Roundhouse (Athearn) Phaudler wood milk car. I have a couple
of painted cars I want to redo and need to get the lettering off. I would
appreciate any suggestion.

Thanks
Don Janes
Sarnia, Ont

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Re: paint sripping

Raymond Hatfield <iron_horse819@...>
 

Hello Don,

I'm new to the list, but this is a subject I can comment on - believe it or not,
automotive brake fluid is a safe and effective paint stripper for models (and
autos as well!)  I have a 1:350 scale model of the RMS Titanic I had to totally
strip and repaint, and this worked wonders for me.  Use a shallow dish of an
appropriate size to soak it in, and use an old toothbrush to scrub nooks and
crannies

Raymond L. Hatfield




________________________________
From: sarbuf <djjanes@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 9:09:09 AM
Subject: [STMFC] paint sripping

 
Hello Group: I was just wondering if anyone has stripped the paint, or at least
the lettering off a Roundhouse (Athearn) Phaudler wood milk car. I have a couple
of painted cars I want to redo and need to get the lettering off. I would
appreciate any suggestion.

Thanks
Don Janes
Sarnia, Ont







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Re: Murphy ends continued

water.kresse@...
 

It was named for Peter Murphy the patent holder and later President of Standard Railway Equipment.  I believe those  records are now at Northwestern U's trans library.  Pullman-Standard even tried to copy one his designs and got caught in the courts.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: tgregmrtn@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:18:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Murphy ends continued

Heavens to Murphy...   Like that term?  <g>
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one, and a river runs through  it.
Norman Maclean  


Tony  writes:
 
 
 
 
As anyone knows who has perused Cyclopedias, the term "Murphy" is not very  
specific for anything. It was used by Standard Railway Equipment to denote
a  whole slew of roof designs, some quite different from each other, as well
as a  couple of different end designs. As far as Richard Hendrickson and I
have ever  been able to determine, the term refers back to an invention of
interlocking  metal parts which made the combination water-tight, or
approximately so. Thus  the term could be applied to any component which employed
that arrangement.  One supposes that "Murphy" refers to the inventor, rather
than to the  well-known "Murphy's Law." <g>
If someone on the list knows more, I'd  like to hear it.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley,  CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510)  540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, _thompson@...
(mailto:thompson@...)
Publishers  of books on railroad history






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paint sripping

sarbuf <djjanes@...>
 

Hello Group: I was just wondering if anyone has stripped the paint, or at least the lettering off a Roundhouse (Athearn) Phaudler wood milk car. I have a couple of painted cars I want to redo and need to get the lettering off. I would appreciate any suggestion.

Thanks
Don Janes
Sarnia, Ont


Duty Paid-Why Archbar Trucks Listed?

gary laakso
 

I have a copy of the Great Northern January 1, 1942 Classification and Numbering of Locomotives and Equipment. It has a section listing steam locomotives that had Duty paid on them as well as passenger, freight and work equipment. The box car listing includes notations for those cars with archbar trucks. The flatcar list includes notations for cast steel trucks. No such notations are given for the work equipment that duty had been paid upon.

Did the duties paid to get the equipment into Canada include a charge based upon the type of truck? The similar edition for 1930 does not contain either notation for the type of truck and I have not seen such a notation for archbar trucks in any other GN publication. The 18 iron ore cars in the duty paid equipment list was also a surprise.


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: Tennessee Coal on the CB&Q

Bill Welch
 

No.

Bill

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Bill

Is this information qualified with dates? Coal mining is a
fungible business, and usage patterns can vary greatly over
time.

Tim O'Connor



In thumbing through Richard Prince's book on the NC&StL he notes that
coal mined around Sewanee and Bon Air, Tennessee was transported to
The Twin Cities and to Omaha. This coal was also the preferred fuel
for the CB&Q's locomotives and "consequently [the CB&Q] became an
important customer for its use on the eastern divisions of that
railroad." I guess you "Q" modelers need to stock up on Kadee's
NC&StL offset twins and build a few of their USRA style twins too.
The NC&StL handed the coal off to the "Q" at Paducah-Metropolis.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Frisco covered hoppers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I have a Kadee Frisco covered hopper. Before I weather this, what sorts of
lading would it likely have carried as a Frisco car?

SGL





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Re: Tennessee Coal on the CB&Q

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

Is this information qualified with dates? Coal mining is a
fungible business, and usage patterns can vary greatly over
time.

Tim O'Connor

In thumbing through Richard Prince's book on the NC&StL he notes that
coal mined around Sewanee and Bon Air, Tennessee was transported to
The Twin Cities and to Omaha. This coal was also the preferred fuel
for the CB&Q's locomotives and "consequently [the CB&Q] became an
important customer for its use on the eastern divisions of that
railroad." I guess you "Q" modelers need to stock up on Kadee's
NC&StL offset twins and build a few of their USRA style twins too.
The NC&StL handed the coal off to the "Q" at Paducah-Metropolis.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Tennessee Coal on the CB&Q

Bill Welch
 

In thumbing through Richard Prince's book on the NC&StL he notes that
coal mined around Sewanee and Bon Air, Tennessee was transported to
The Twin Cities and to Omaha. This coal was also the preferred fuel
for the CB&Q's locomotives and "consequently [the CB&Q] became an
important customer for its use on the eastern divisions of that
railroad." I guess you "Q" modelers need to stock up on Kadee's
NC&StL offset twins and build a few of their USRA style twins too.
The NC&StL handed the coal off to the "Q" at Paducah-Metropolis.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Mystery to me box car

Cyril Durrenberger
 

The T&NO box car again.

Looking at the first digit, it can only be a 3 to fit into the T&NO numbering system in 1948.  There were no numbers 57xxx, and these were in a number series of steel box cars.  As indicated before 1,2 and 4 are not possible.  And 6,7, 8 and 9 are not possible.

So if it is a B-50-6 box car with single sheathed ends and a board roof, there are two things that are not right.  This class of car did not have board roofs when built.  In fact, T&NO did not have any new box cars built after about 1904 that had board roofs.  And in 1903 the T&NO began to refit their box cars with metal roofs.  I have not located any photos of T&NO or earlier SP Atlantic Lines box cars with board roofs taken after about 1925.  So to have a board roof on a T&NO box car in 1948 or 1950 or whatever the date, is extremely unusual.  To have a B-50-6 with a board roof brings up a question of why the retrofit with a board roof?

In about 1930 the T&NO began replacing the wood ends on their double sheathed box cars with single sheathed ends.  But these ends had two vertical members, normally old rail, and two diagonal channels outside of the vertical members.  There is a drawing of these in the SP box car book.  So if the end on this car has only two vertical members and not the diagonal members, it is a rather unusual car.

It is difficult to explain these differences to T&NO standard practice, but here is a photo that shows it.

Cyril Durrenberger

--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Bill Kelly <wbkelly@...> wrote:

From: Bill Kelly <wbkelly@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Mystery to me box car
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:34 PM







 









To me it looks like 37217 or more likely 37247.

Either way a B-50-6 with single sheathed ends.

The 37247 is listed in a group of 18 cars with single sheathed ends in

the January 1949 ORER.



Later,

Bill Kelly

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Re: Murphy ends continued

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

As anyone knows who has perused Cyclopedias, the term "Murphy" is not very specific for anything. It was used by Standard Railway Equipment to denote a whole slew of roof designs, some quite different from each other, as well as a couple of different end designs. As far as Richard Hendrickson and I have ever been able to determine, the term refers back to an invention of interlocking metal parts which made the combination water-tight, or approximately so. Thus the term could be applied to any component which employed that arrangement. One supposes that "Murphy" refers to the inventor, rather than to the well- known "Murphy's Law." <g>
If someone on the list knows more, I'd like to hear it.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Murphy ends continued

ed_mines
 

Considering the number of actual panels used in rail cars (not so many as could be made in one tool) I guess there were only a few (or maybe one) die.

Besides the USRA cars they were used in NYC's box cars & 40 ft. gons. 7/8 Murphy box car ends were pretty popular with other railroads too. Maybe the die was originally 7 ribs.

We actually have a single "Murphy" panel (not sure how many ribs it has) - IM's USRA gon.

If you compare the IM end with an F&C NYC gon end you'll find the ribs are longer on the IM end.

Has anyone actually tried to model the PM car?

Ed Mines


Re: Murphy ends with vertical ribs

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Fritz Milhaupt" <fmilhaupt@...> wrote:
The one that I felt was most striking was the Murphy end made of two steel vertical panels with 8 vertical ribs per panel, as used on the PM's 85500-series Western Steel Car & Foundry DS boxcars, as shown at http://www.fritzmilhaupt.com/bbgraphics/85500EndSm.jpg

I've always assumed that there panels were stamped in the same dies as USRA box car ends, gon ends etc. Maybe they had different ends, sides, thicknesses of metal etc.

These panels were used as replacements in RDG hoppers, not only for the ends but also in the bodies.


Re: Kits?!

Mitchell Mercante
 

Sorry for the post - wasn't for the group.
 
Mitch Mercante

--- On Sun, 2/27/11, Mitchell Mercante <mjmercante@...> wrote:


From: Mitchell Mercante <mjmercante@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits?!
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 3:39 PM


John,
 
Yeah, I'm going to get 8 to 10 kits.  When I finally inventoried my stock, I realized I had a few more meat reefers than I thought.  And I think I may not do the Jacobs Packing Plant.  If so, I'll only need cars for Neuhoff's.  On the other hand, there was also a Swift Plant in Nashville but I have 3 or 4 of their reefers already.
 
I may even (prototype gods please forgive me) put one industry off the NC onto the L&N.  There was so much on the NC's West Branch it's going to be hard to leave any off. 
 
If you're going to order any for yourself, perhaps we can combine our orders to save on shipping.

Let me know.
 
Mitch 

--- On Sun, 2/27/11, John Wark <wark.john@...> wrote:


From: John Wark <wark.john@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits?!
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 12:01 PM


Mitch,

you planning on pre-ordering/reserving any of either the kits or the
painted/unlettered ones?  Meat reefers - you're gonna need a bunch of 'em.

John


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bill Schneider <bschneider424@...>
Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 7:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Kits?!
To: STMFC@...




Some of you on this list know me as more than just a name on an e-mail.
Those who do know that I enjoy hand laying track, scratch building
structures and building freight car kits, both plastic and resin. Jason, the
owner of Rapido, is also a passionate modeler who is going out of his way to
make sure that his models as well as his products are as accurate as
possible. We “get it”....
So... for those who were following the.... ummmmm....errrrrrrr....
discussion a few weeks back regarding the availability (or lack thereof) of
kits...
After discussions with our factory, Rapido I pleased to announce tonight
that the new HO scale GARX 37’ meat reefer will indeed be available as an
undecorated kit for those who want to “roll their own”. The item number is
#121099, the retail is $34.95. Yes Andy, it will even have instructions.....
For those who want a middle ground, we have also added an assembled, painted
but unlettered car, #121098. This will be painted in GARX yellow-orange with
freight car red ends and body colored hardware.
I would ask that any members who have an interest in these cars get their
reservations in quickly with their local hobby shop so that we have an good
handle on how many to make. Since this was such a hotly debated topic here
Jason and I will keep the group appraised of the level of interest in these
items compared to the rest of the line.
Based on the level of discussion here we look forward to large orders
flooding in from the Faithful!
Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains






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Re: Kits?!

Mitchell Mercante
 

John,
 
Yeah, I'm going to get 8 to 10 kits.  When I finally inventoried my stock, I realized I had a few more meat reefers than I thought.  And I think I may not do the Jacobs Packing Plant.  If so, I'll only need cars for Neuhoff's.  On the other hand, there was also a Swift Plant in Nashville but I have 3 or 4 of their reefers already.
 
I may even (prototype gods please forgive me) put one industry off the NC onto the L&N.  There was so much on the NC's West Branch it's going to be hard to leave any off. 
 
If you're going to order any for yourself, perhaps we can combine our orders to save on shipping.

Let me know.
 
Mitch

--- On Sun, 2/27/11, John Wark <wark.john@...> wrote:


From: John Wark <wark.john@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits?!
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 12:01 PM


Mitch,

you planning on pre-ordering/reserving any of either the kits or the
painted/unlettered ones?  Meat reefers - you're gonna need a bunch of 'em.

John


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bill Schneider <bschneider424@...>
Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 7:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Kits?!
To: STMFC@...




Some of you on this list know me as more than just a name on an e-mail.
Those who do know that I enjoy hand laying track, scratch building
structures and building freight car kits, both plastic and resin. Jason, the
owner of Rapido, is also a passionate modeler who is going out of his way to
make sure that his models as well as his products are as accurate as
possible. We “get it”....
So... for those who were following the.... ummmmm....errrrrrrr....
discussion a few weeks back regarding the availability (or lack thereof) of
kits...
After discussions with our factory, Rapido I pleased to announce tonight
that the new HO scale GARX 37’ meat reefer will indeed be available as an
undecorated kit for those who want to “roll their own”. The item number is
#121099, the retail is $34.95. Yes Andy, it will even have instructions.....
For those who want a middle ground, we have also added an assembled, painted
but unlettered car, #121098. This will be painted in GARX yellow-orange with
freight car red ends and body colored hardware.
I would ask that any members who have an interest in these cars get their
reservations in quickly with their local hobby shop so that we have an good
handle on how many to make. Since this was such a hotly debated topic here
Jason and I will keep the group appraised of the level of interest in these
items compared to the rest of the line.
Based on the level of discussion here we look forward to large orders
flooding in from the Faithful!
Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains

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Re: Murphy ends continued

Greg Martin
 

Heavens to Murphy... Like that term? <g>

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Tony writes:




As anyone knows who has perused Cyclopedias, the term "Murphy" is not very
specific for anything. It was used by Standard Railway Equipment to denote
a whole slew of roof designs, some quite different from each other, as well
as a couple of different end designs. As far as Richard Hendrickson and I
have ever been able to determine, the term refers back to an invention of
interlocking metal parts which made the combination water-tight, or
approximately so. Thus the term could be applied to any component which employed
that arrangement. One supposes that "Murphy" refers to the inventor, rather
than to the well-known "Murphy's Law." <g>
If someone on the list knows more, I'd like to hear it.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, _thompson@...
(mailto:thompson@...)
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: Kits?!

John Wark
 

Mitch,

you planning on pre-ordering/reserving any of either the kits or the
painted/unlettered ones? Meat reefers - you're gonna need a bunch of 'em.

John


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bill Schneider <bschneider424@...>
Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 7:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Kits?!
To: STMFC@...




Some of you on this list know me as more than just a name on an e-mail.
Those who do know that I enjoy hand laying track, scratch building
structures and building freight car kits, both plastic and resin. Jason, the
owner of Rapido, is also a passionate modeler who is going out of his way to
make sure that his models as well as his products are as accurate as
possible. We get it....
So... for those who were following the.... ummmmm....errrrrrrr....
discussion a few weeks back regarding the availability (or lack thereof) of
kits...
After discussions with our factory, Rapido I pleased to announce tonight
that the new HO scale GARX 37 meat reefer will indeed be available as an
undecorated kit for those who want to roll their own. The item number is
#121099, the retail is $34.95. Yes Andy, it will even have instructions.....
For those who want a middle ground, we have also added an assembled, painted
but unlettered car, #121098. This will be painted in GARX yellow-orange with
freight car red ends and body colored hardware.
I would ask that any members who have an interest in these cars get their
reservations in quickly with their local hobby shop so that we have an good
handle on how many to make. Since this was such a hotly debated topic here
Jason and I will keep the group appraised of the level of interest in these
items compared to the rest of the line.
Based on the level of discussion here we look forward to large orders
flooding in from the Faithful!
Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains

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Re: Mystery to me box car

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

On one of the layouts I operate on there is a track in the
yard that is referred to as "for now". And because it is
actually track four ... it "works" for us. A "slough track"
by any other name will still have a mish-mash of cars - that
don't stay there very long. *G* But having a "for now"
track makes working the yard a lot more flexible.
BTW - in this particular photo ... the track for the cut
of cars disappearing into the foreground ... is aligned
for one of those temporary holding tracks. So the end of
that cut has either just been pulled from there or is
going there.

On our layouts we rarely have the real estate to do what
is/was very common on the railroads we try to emulate. A
yard like the one in this shot - with a double ladder in
the middle of it (instead of on one end). A yard like this
one can be worked simultaneously by several different crews
with different 'jobs'.
Wouldn't it be nice to have the space in our layout room(s)
to do stuff like this Birmingham yard! There are "small
sections" of this yard that are both longer and wider than
even the largest of our layout yards ... such as all of the
tracks over on the right of the picture where the gon we've
been discussing is located. That area is the "other stuff" in
this yard (rip tracks, etc.). We should be so lucky!
- Jim

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
I've been wondering if anyone can explain the intent of providing
the two tracks between the yard ladders. They're covered with cars,
but a mixmaster assortment. What are these tracks for?
They could be "slough" tracks, for the convenience of crews
working either ladder. That's a place you stuff cars that you need to
get out of the way for a little while.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Kits?!

Paul Lyons
 

Larry,

Call Fred Hill at the Oringinal Whistle Stop in Pasadena. He ordered a half dozen of the kits for me yesterday

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Sexton <SSEXTON9@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 6:26 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Kits?!




I’d appreciate it greatly if anyone knows of a hobby shop or of mail order source that I could place a reservation for several of these GARX 37’ reefer kits. Please contact me off-line with your response. My LHS has not been very good about follow-thru on this sort of request. Thanks.

Larry Sexton

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bill Schneider
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Kits?!

Some of you on this list know me as more than just a name on an e-mail. Those who do know that I enjoy hand laying track, scratch building structures and building freight car kits, both plastic and resin. Jason, the owner of Rapido, is also a passionate modeler who is going out of his way to make sure that his models as well as his products are as accurate as possible. We “get it”....
So... for those who were following the.... ummmmm....errrrrrrr.... discussion a few weeks back regarding the availability (or lack thereof) of kits...
After discussions with our factory, Rapido I pleased to announce tonight that the new HO scale GARX 37’ meat reefer will indeed be available as an undecorated kit for those who want to “roll their own”. The item number is #121099, the retail is $34.95. Yes Andy, it will even have instructions.....
For those who want a middle ground, we have also added an assembled, painted but unlettered car, #121098. This will be painted in GARX yellow-orange with freight car red ends and body colored hardware.
I would ask that any members who have an interest in these cars get their reservations in quickly with their local hobby shop so that we have an good handle on how many to make. Since this was such a hotly debated topic here Jason and I will keep the group appraised of the level of interest in these items compared to the rest of the line.
Based on the level of discussion here we look forward to large orders flooding in from the Faithful!
Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains

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Re: Murphy ends with vertical ribs

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Fritz,

Best I've been able to gather is that these were known as Vulcan ends.

I haven't seen this particular variety of Vulcan end (8+8) on anything but
the PM 85000 series cars (which were also sold off to other roads besides
the M&NE - the Piedmont & Northern, the Chattahoochee Valley and the
Escanaba & Lake Superior, at the least).

I've also seen this end on a UP stock car; perhaps they had other cars
with such ends, too.

The W&LE had cars with vertically-ribbed ends, too, but these had thicker
ribs fewer in count; the Michigan Central/NYC had some, too, but those
were inverse (and may have had a different rib count than the PM's 8+8s,
but I can't remember right now).

I share your pain!

I'm planning on modelling the 85000 and 86000 series cars at some point,
and may well resort to an avenue I'm currently exploring: I'm working on
CAD drawings right now for PM 17250-17649 series gons as rebuilt with
steel sheathing; when the CAD is done, I'll be getting it printed up via
rapid prototyping. Through earlier experience via such work done by others
in TT scale, I know the result is affordable - a PS2 hopper done in this
way costs about $18. If this works out, and I have no reason to believe it
shouldn't, I'll be doing other PM-appropriate things, such as the Vulcan
ends and both early and late varieties of the Hutchins ends.

The end result of this process is quite satisfactory if one chooses the
right material - the "white detail" material is quite smooth, and tolerant
of 1mm wall thickness and 0.2mm surface detail, so well within my range of
acceptance for details I'd want cast on to the shell.

For wood-sheathed cars like the 85000 series cars, I'm thinking to only
have the roof, underframe, doors and ends done by this method (perhaps
also the side bracing for single-sheathed cars) and then build the
sheathing out of wood or styrene, in order to better replicate the
appearance of wood.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC.

Fritz Milhaupt wrote:

As I sat down to look for wood-sheathed boxcars I could kitbash reasonably
easily for my future Pere Marquette layout, I was struck by how limited my
options were. The PM seemed to have had a taste for unusual ends on their
boxcars.

The one that I felt was most striking was the Murphy end made of two steel
vertical panels with 8 vertical ribs per panel, as used on the PM's
85500-series Western Steel Car & Foundry DS boxcars, as shown at
http://www.fritzmilhaupt.com/bbgraphics/85500EndSm.jpg

The equipment diagrams list them as simply "Murphy" ends. Is there a more
accurate name for these to distinguish them from the more common
horizontal-rib Murphy ends that were commonly used on USRA cars?

I can't recall seeing photos of any other road's cars with these ends,
aside from the Manistee & Northeastern which bought some of the PM's cars.
Did any other railroads even own cars with these ends?

I'll touch on the Hutchins ends woes later...

-Fritz Milhaupt
Web Guy and Modeling Editor, PM Historical Society, Inc.
http://www.pmhistsoc.org



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