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Re: Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Denis for filling us newcomers in on the scene at Savannah.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Denis Blake" <dblake7@...> wrote:

Bill and all

For those who have never been to the Savananh meet before let me tell you it
has some traits of a family reunion. There are those of us who gather at a
local Waffle House for breakfast each morning. Lunch is sort of a on your
own affair. Dinner is when we lock the place up and go do dinner. A local
seafood restaurant is a favorite as well is the local Applebee's. Most go
to the seafood rest. and we are generally seated in a large room in the
back. It is a family affair. In that respect there will be NO problem
sitting with like minded individuals.

To those who are attending for the first time I look forward to seeing you
all there. It is a nice show, in a nice city at a nice time of the year.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH



2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Gentleman:

The Prototype modeling event is coming up soon in Savannah.
Remembering the frustration voiced after the Cocoa Beach event in
January (I think it was Jared) about the difficulty in connecting
with fellow Freight Car list people, a frustration I shared, it
thought I would put forward a proposal. Normally I would not mind
coordinating what I am proposing but I do not know the area near the
meeting and therefore do not know the potential venues, plus I am
doing a presentation each day and would hope someone not doing a
presentation could take on this responsibility.

Would it be possible to get together for a meal, breakfast or lunch,
on Saturday? I don't know how many of this could or will be but we
would need a restaurant willing to let us sit together at tables in
the same vicinity at a minimum.

If someone is willing to coordinate this, they could identify
themselves and we could connect with them off the list.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
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Re: Inedible [Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]]

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

This photo was taken at Lever Brothers which made, among other things, soap.



Jim Brewer

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:42:13 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Inedible [Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]]

 




Although I claim no direct knowledge, the words 'inedible' and occasionally 'edible' were often found on tank cars originating from meatpacking plants. Yes, tallow was one, and some cars were actually marked 'inedible tallow'. There are probably some today.

I believe 'edible' was material that came off the packinghouse floor under the same conditions as the meat, that is, it was not contaminated in such a way as to render it unsafe for human consumption. More commonly, this same material was handled in ways that rendered it unfit for human consumption as part of its processing, before it was pumped into the tank car. This latter, of course, was cheaper, and was of no consequence if it was destined for a soap maker or other industrial use.

Examples of this processing might include being shoveled into a bin, or being hosed down from the literal floor, or stored in outdoor tankage, or being conveyed in industrial hoses or piping that was not sanitary.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@... , "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
<snip> One was to repaint with different wording or minimal
lettering. One might have been simply to write "inedible" on the end...maybe
a skull and crossbones would have been more effective

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto: STMFC@... ] On Behalf Of
RUTLANDRS@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]



Just a guess about "inedible" and the location. Probably a car of tallow for
soap or such.
Chuck Hladik



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Re: Inedible [Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]]

mopacfirst
 

Although I claim no direct knowledge, the words 'inedible' and occasionally 'edible' were often found on tank cars originating from meatpacking plants. Yes, tallow was one, and some cars were actually marked 'inedible tallow'. There are probably some today.

I believe 'edible' was material that came off the packinghouse floor under the same conditions as the meat, that is, it was not contaminated in such a way as to render it unsafe for human consumption. More commonly, this same material was handled in ways that rendered it unfit for human consumption as part of its processing, before it was pumped into the tank car. This latter, of course, was cheaper, and was of no consequence if it was destined for a soap maker or other industrial use.

Examples of this processing might include being shoveled into a bin, or being hosed down from the literal floor, or stored in outdoor tankage, or being conveyed in industrial hoses or piping that was not sanitary.

Ron Merrick


--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
<snip> One was to repaint with different wording or minimal
lettering. One might have been simply to write "inedible" on the end...maybe
a skull and crossbones would have been more effective

Elden Gatwood

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Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]



Just a guess about "inedible" and the location. Probably a car of tallow for
soap or such.
Chuck Hladik


Re: Overhead Circa 1928 Photo of Reefers at B&O Camden Warehouse

Bill Welch
 

Alternatively, the folks at Accurail could tool up a welded side to produce a third steel sheathed reefer version. The little "Banana" logo would appeal to many and would provide enough sales to cover the cost of tooling considering the other major components are already available. This alternative would increase the happiness of many.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@> wrote:

There is not really a good model. These were welded cars.

Bill
I just took a look at the pix Bill sent me a while back. The welded cars have all the accouterments of the soon to be released Accurail steel reefer; Same ends, same roof, but different sides. I got to wondering if one could shave the rivets off the Accurail sides, but two problems; the welded cars used shorter doors, and they used the older style cast hinges. Those hinges are made, however, by Grandt Line, as are the latch bars. Since the Accurail kit is going to have separate sides applied to full sub-sides that form the core of the body, it looks like the easiest way to model these cars is to make new welded sides by scribing the weld lines on .040" styrene sheet, then adding the Grandt latch bars, hinges, and a few Archer rivets on the door.

Dennis


Re: Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

seaboard_1966
 

Bill and all

For those who have never been to the Savananh meet before let me tell you it has some traits of a family reunion. There are those of us who gather at a local Waffle House for breakfast each morning. Lunch is sort of a on your own affair. Dinner is when we lock the place up and go do dinner. A local seafood restaurant is a favorite as well is the local Applebee's. Most go to the seafood rest. and we are generally seated in a large room in the back. It is a family affair. In that respect there will be NO problem sitting with like minded individuals.

To those who are attending for the first time I look forward to seeing you all there. It is a nice show, in a nice city at a nice time of the year.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH



2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Gentleman:

The Prototype modeling event is coming up soon in Savannah.
Remembering the frustration voiced after the Cocoa Beach event in
January (I think it was Jared) about the difficulty in connecting
with fellow Freight Car list people, a frustration I shared, it
thought I would put forward a proposal. Normally I would not mind
coordinating what I am proposing but I do not know the area near the
meeting and therefore do not know the potential venues, plus I am
doing a presentation each day and would hope someone not doing a
presentation could take on this responsibility.

Would it be possible to get together for a meal, breakfast or lunch,
on Saturday? I don't know how many of this could or will be but we
would need a restaurant willing to let us sit together at tables in
the same vicinity at a minimum.

If someone is willing to coordinate this, they could identify
themselves and we could connect with them off the list.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
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Re: Baltimore Museum of Industry Image . . .

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Del Vecchio wrote:
As for the tank car -- this image to me looks posed so as to place both people in the scene at once. The pole up top is for gauging, but often when a scale isn't present what they're measuring is the distance from the top of the fluid to the top of the dome so that the actual volume in the car can be calculated before emptying the car.
No. The standard method was to load "shell full," meaning to the top of the tank shell. The dome is for expansion. The number of gallons lettered on the end of the car was based on actual car measurement (since cars were not identical), and played the role of the "light weight" on a house car. And BTW, "shell full" was also intended to minimize sloshing in transit.

The tempurature of the product is also recorded as that is a component of the volume calculation -- a thermometer on a chain is lowered into the car. Loaders need to record these items so the customer can be billed for the contents.
The usual in the steam era was that the "official" end lettering volume in gallons was THE basis for charges. If it said 8022 gallons, then the customer was billed for 8022 gallons. My understanding is that temperature adjustments were only made if ambient temperatures were unusually hot or cold, and this was subject to prior agreement between shipper and consignee.

Depending on how this facility operates, any quantity could be unloaded at a time and both men may be participating in that. Where I work tank cars with raw materials are often partially unloaded to make blends without having to fill a storage tank. A scale isn't practial, so volumes are calculated via gauging as was done in the steam days, both for inbound and outbound loads.
This is pretty much my theory of the photo also.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Bill Welch
 

Gentleman:

The Prototype modeling event is coming up soon in Savannah.
Remembering the frustration voiced after the Cocoa Beach event in
January (I think it was Jared) about the difficulty in connecting
with fellow Freight Car list people, a frustration I shared, it
thought I would put forward a proposal. Normally I would not mind
coordinating what I am proposing but I do not know the area near the
meeting and therefore do not know the potential venues, plus I am
doing a presentation each day and would hope someone not doing a
presentation could take on this responsibility.

Would it be possible to get together for a meal, breakfast or lunch,
on Saturday? I don't know how many of this could or will be but we
would need a restaurant willing to let us sit together at tables in
the same vicinity at a minimum.

If someone is willing to coordinate this, they could identify
themselves and we could connect with them off the list.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .] (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Yes, that IS odd.

There was, at one time, a discussion on why tank cars lettered with certain
words were "tapped" by hungry/thirsty hoboes/out-of-work/etc depression-era
people, and the RRs and owners efforts to dissuade that sort of (sometimes
dangerous) behavior (maybe they thought "tallow" meant "rye whisky"?? the two
sound the same...). One was to repaint with different wording or minimal
lettering. One might have been simply to write "inedible" on the end...maybe
a skull and crossbones would have been more effective

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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RUTLANDRS@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]



Just a guess about "inedible" and the location. Probably a car of tallow for
soap or such.
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 3/11/2011 12:55:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
thompson@... <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> writes:

Ron Merrickt wrote:
That guy is 'poling' the car, or 'gauging' it, to check the level of
liquid. He would have opened the valve some time previously, via
the handwheel. See Kaminski's tank car book, p. 220,221, 223 etc.

A likely explanation is that the unloading procedure called for the
second man to watch the liquid level during unloading to see that it
was actually going down, and it gave the crew the opportunity to
figure out when they'd be done. He's undoubtedly supposed to close
the valve when the car is empty, before the man on the ground
disconnects the hose.
That's how I read the photo also, Ron. Another possibility
might be that the man on top is "gauging" the car so they can remove a
certain number of gallons, but that would be tricky. The word
"inedible" hand lettered on the end seems odd.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Baltimore Museum of Industry Image Collection-MP Box Car

MDelvec952
 

I found the site loading fine, but that may be just luck and timing for once.

Interesting imagery. That MP boxcar being unloaded was a surprise to me in that the photographer didn't show the grain leaving the car as would have been the likely reason the photographer was there. I wonder if there are more negs in that series somewhere.

As for the tank car -- this image to me looks posed so as to place both people in the scene at once. The pole up top is for gauging, but often when a scale isn't present what they're measuring is the distance from the top of the fluid to the top of the dome so that the actual volume in the car can be calculated before emptying the car. The tempurature of the product is also recorded as that is a component of the volume calculation -- a thermometer on a chain is lowered into the car. Loaders need to record these items so the customer can be billed for the contents. The unloaders record this stuff so that the buyer can reconcile the volume being paid for. Yes, it's not unsual for the volume calculated at the receiving end to differ from that calculated at the shipping end, at least on paper, and depending on what the individual taking the gauge. The long pole is also used to measure the depth of the heel remaining in the car before the empty is shipped. Even though today's tank cars are pitched toward the bottom valve to reduce the size of the heel, there is always a ribbon of contents at the bottom; there is often an allowance for the heel somewhere in the paperwork between buyer and seller.

Depending on how this facility operates, any quantity could be unloaded at a time and both men may be participating in that. Where I work tank cars with raw materials are often partially unloaded to make blends without having to fill a storage tank. A scale isn't practial, so volumes are calculated via gauging as was done in the steam days, both for inbound and outbound loads.

Mike Del Vecchio

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Baltimore Museum of Industry Image Collection-MP Box Car






Al - I had the same problem; site was very slow.

Jim Brewer

----- Original Message -----
From: "water kresse" <water.kresse@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 12:37:55 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Baltimore Museum of Industry Image Collection-MP Box Car



Did anyone have problems with this site Image Collection being very, very slow yesterday afternoon? If not, then it is my old Pentium 4 processor PC and Comcast's old over-stretched system.

Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "rwitt_2000" < rwitt_2000@... >
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 12:16:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Baltimore Museum of Industry Image Collection-MP Box Car

Also from the Baltimore Museum of Industry, an interesting photo of MP
#31783 boxcar being unloaded at WM Ry grain elevator in Port Covington.
A very good view of the running boards ca. 1956.

http://tinyurl.com/4u5gt5j

Catalog NumberBGE.30791Object NameNegative, FilmDescriptionInterior view
of grain carrying cargo being unloaded at the Western Maryland Railroad
Grain Elevator
Port CovingtonDate8/28/1956
One can search by catalog number only (i.e. BGE.30971).

Bob Witt



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Re: Baltimore Museum of Industry Image Collection-MP Box Car

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Al - I had the same problem; site was very slow.



Jim Brewer

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 12:37:55 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Baltimore Museum of Industry Image Collection-MP Box Car

 






Did anyone have problems with this site Image Collection being very, very slow yesterday afternoon?  If not, then it is my old Pentium 4 processor PC and Comcast's old over-stretched system.

Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "rwitt_2000" < rwitt_2000@... >
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 12:16:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Baltimore Museum of Industry Image Collection-MP Box Car

Also from the Baltimore Museum of Industry, an interesting photo of MP
#31783 boxcar being unloaded at WM Ry grain elevator in Port Covington.
A very good view of the running boards ca. 1956.

http://tinyurl.com/4u5gt5j

Catalog NumberBGE.30791Object NameNegative, FilmDescriptionInterior view
of grain carrying cargo being unloaded at the Western Maryland Railroad
Grain Elevator
Port CovingtonDate8/28/1956
One can search by catalog number only (i.e. BGE.30971).

Bob Witt

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Re: Overhead Circa 1928 Photo of Reefers at B&O Camden Warehouse

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 11, 2011, at 8:40 AM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

To my eyes the owner and road number are GATX 55096.
http://tinyurl.com/4tsa6eh
That's what I get as well, Bob, and the car was built in the late
1920s by the Pennsylvania Tank Car Co. Distinctive features were the
safeties at either end of the dome on the center line, the dome
platforms hung on brackets from the sides of the dome, and the big
box section body bolsters with push pole pockets one each side.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: USRA Hopper List

Chris Sawicki
 

Steve- this may be of some help (its free) RailModel Journal May 1995

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/441/32205/may-1995-page-11

Chris Sawicki



________________________________
From: S hed <shed999@...>
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 12:44:20 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: USRA Hopper List


I'm modeling in the 1919 to 1925 period so having a roster to go by would be the
first thing that I would need to do before trying to look for photos.

I know that there are USRA copies and look-a-likes so having a good USRA roster
would be important to have before starting any kind of research.

BTW, thanks for everyone's suggestions so far and it is much appreciated.

- Steve



To: STMFC@...
From: water.kresse@...
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:30:50 +0000
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: USRA Hopper List


 





I strongly agree on doing a photo search . . . . especially in the ERA that you
are modeling.


"Spotting a few cars in photos of trains in the area you model would be even
better at avoiding making a model that might never or only rarely appear on your
layout."


In putting together an article on the C&Os USRA twin-hops we found that cars
didn't always follow what the diagrams sheets implied they should look like.  We
found some were equipped with "bibbed" or double-notched radial and full-radial
end extensions.  Also, field shots did not support continued use of their
"Columbia Trust" paint liveries for very long.  Also, it was imposible to
determine when their lever style hand brakes were replaced with vertical shaft
with wheel hand brakes.  Fortunately, the Raceland Car Shops made 5 x 7s image
prints of most the C&Os car series in the Van's new paint livery for the
management folks up in Cleveland in the spring-summer of 1931 (I believe an
extra set was found in the Huntington Labs in 1968).


It means getting a loop out and checking yard shots, etc. and then scanning at
1000 dpi to find them.


We are also going to find "non-standard or different than the diagram sheets"
rebuilds of the 70-ton center-clam-shell USRA design inspired hopper cars.


Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:57:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA Hopper List

It would seem that if your goal is to build and letter a couple of models, you
would be more interested in photos - preferably taken in the era you model. The
STMFC site, Speedwitch books, possibly older issues of RMJ or Model Railroading
(the latter two available free on-line) if they covered the Tichy or Accurail
cars, would give you more pertinent info than a  roster. Spotting a few cars in
photos of trains in the area you model would be even better at avoiding making a
model that might never or only rarely appear on your layout.


Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I have a couple of Tichy USRA hoppers that I want to find prototypes for and I
was hoping that someone has a USRA list so I could refer to.

 
I have no idea if the R&LHS bulletin is accurate or not accurate. It looks like
I'll have to pay $15 to get the information.

 
Thanks.
 


To: STMFC@...
From: thompson@...
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:24:24 -0800
Subject: Re: [STMFC] USRA Hopper List


 



Steve Hedlund wrote:
USRA box car, gondola and steam engine rosters have been well
documented in the last few years. But what about the USRA 2-Bay
hopper? I am having a hard time finding an accurate roster. Can
someone help me locate a roster? Thanks.
There's a complete roster in R&LHS Bulletin 128. Do you think it's
inaccurate?

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Re: Northern Pacific box car paint color

Jim Hayes
 

I do like the Tru-Color oxide brown but what matches the official color is
not necessarily the same as the color Branchline used.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Gene Deimling <losgatos48@...>wrote:



The most accurate match I have found is Tru-Color Oxide Brown. It matched a
sample panel that I received from from a member of the NPRHA paint
committee.

Gene Deimling


frograbbit602 <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

All, To model Northern Pacific steel box car in Steam Era Freight Cars
Reference Manual, Vol. 1, p. 157, or 1943 Car Builders Cyclopedia, I am
upgrading Branchline Trains Yardmaster Series Kit No. 8013, NP 17631. I want
to save lettering and paint. On car sides I replaced grab irons and
Youngstown door with seven panel Superior door. My problem, I can not find
or mix a paint color to match the Branchline Trains car body color on the
sides. Has anyone found an out of the bottle color or have a paint mix
formula for a close match.
Lester Breuer



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Re: Northern Pacific box car paint color

Gene Deimling <losgatos48@...>
 

The most accurate match I have found is Tru-Color Oxide Brown. It matched a sample panel that I received from from a member of the NPRHA paint committee.

Gene Deimling

frograbbit602 <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

All, To model Northern Pacific steel box car in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 1, p. 157, or 1943 Car Builders Cyclopedia, I am upgrading Branchline Trains Yardmaster Series Kit No. 8013, NP 17631. I want to save lettering and paint. On car sides I replaced grab irons and Youngstown door with seven panel Superior door. My problem, I can not find or mix a paint color to match the Branchline Trains car body color on the sides. Has anyone found an out of the bottle color or have a paint mix formula for a close match.
Lester Breuer


Northern Pacific box car paint color

frograbbit602
 

All, To model Northern Pacific steel box car in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 1, p. 157, or 1943 Car Builders Cyclopedia, I am upgrading Branchline Trains Yardmaster Series Kit No. 8013, NP 17631. I want to save lettering and paint. On car sides I replaced grab irons and Youngstown door with seven panel Superior door. My problem, I can not find or mix a paint color to match the Branchline Trains car body color on the sides. Has anyone found an out of the bottle color or have a paint mix formula for a close match.
Lester Breuer


Re: USRA Hopper List

S hed <shed999@...>
 

I'm modeling in the 1919 to 1925 period so having a roster to go by would be the first thing that I would need to do before trying to look for photos.

I know that there are USRA copies and look-a-likes so having a good USRA roster would be important to have before starting any kind of research.

BTW, thanks for everyone's suggestions so far and it is much appreciated.

- Steve



To: STMFC@...
From: water.kresse@...
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:30:50 +0000
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: USRA Hopper List








I strongly agree on doing a photo search . . . . especially in the ERA that you are modeling.

"Spotting a few cars in photos of trains in the area you model would be even better at avoiding making a model that might never or only rarely appear on your layout."

In putting together an article on the C&Os USRA twin-hops we found that cars didn't always follow what the diagrams sheets implied they should look like. We found some were equipped with "bibbed" or double-notched radial and full-radial end extensions. Also, field shots did not support continued use of their "Columbia Trust" paint liveries for very long. Also, it was imposible to determine when their lever style hand brakes were replaced with vertical shaft with wheel hand brakes. Fortunately, the Raceland Car Shops made 5 x 7s image prints of most the C&Os car series in the Van's new paint livery for the management folks up in Cleveland in the spring-summer of 1931 (I believe an extra set was found in the Huntington Labs in 1968).

It means getting a loop out and checking yard shots, etc. and then scanning at 1000 dpi to find them.

We are also going to find "non-standard or different than the diagram sheets" rebuilds of the 70-ton center-clam-shell USRA design inspired hopper cars.

Al Kresse

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From: "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:57:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA Hopper List

It would seem that if your goal is to build and letter a couple of models, you would be more interested in photos - preferably taken in the era you model. The STMFC site, Speedwitch books, possibly older issues of RMJ or Model Railroading (the latter two available free on-line) if they covered the Tichy or Accurail cars, would give you more pertinent info than a roster. Spotting a few cars in photos of trains in the area you model would be even better at avoiding making a model that might never or only rarely appear on your layout.

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I have a couple of Tichy USRA hoppers that I want to find prototypes for and I was hoping that someone has a USRA list so I could refer to.

I have no idea if the R&LHS bulletin is accurate or not accurate. It looks like I'll have to pay $15 to get the information.

Thanks.



To: STMFC@...
From: thompson@...
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:24:24 -0800
Subject: Re: [STMFC] USRA Hopper List






Steve Hedlund wrote:
USRA box car, gondola and steam engine rosters have been well
documented in the last few years. But what about the USRA 2-Bay
hopper? I am having a hard time finding an accurate roster. Can
someone help me locate a roster? Thanks.
There's a complete roster in R&LHS Bulletin 128. Do you think it's
inaccurate?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





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Re: Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]

Charles Hladik
 

Just a guess about "inedible" and the location. Probably a car of tallow
for soap or such.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 3/11/2011 12:55:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
thompson@... writes:




Ron Merrickt wrote:
That guy is 'poling' the car, or 'gauging' it, to check the level of
liquid. He would have opened the valve some time previously, via
the handwheel. See Kaminski's tank car book, p. 220,221, 223 etc.

A likely explanation is that the unloading procedure called for the
second man to watch the liquid level during unloading to see that it
was actually going down, and it gave the crew the opportunity to
figure out when they'd be done. He's undoubtedly supposed to close
the valve when the car is empty, before the man on the ground
disconnects the hose.
That's how I read the photo also, Ron. Another possibility
might be that the man on top is "gauging" the car so they can remove a
certain number of gallons, but that would be tricky. The word
"inedible" hand lettered on the end seems odd.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, _thompson@...
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Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ron Merrickt wrote:
That guy is 'poling' the car, or 'gauging' it, to check the level of liquid. He would have opened the valve some time previously, via the handwheel. See Kaminski's tank car book, p. 220,221, 223 etc.

A likely explanation is that the unloading procedure called for the second man to watch the liquid level during unloading to see that it was actually going down, and it gave the crew the opportunity to figure out when they'd be done. He's undoubtedly supposed to close the valve when the car is empty, before the man on the ground disconnects the hose.
That's how I read the photo also, Ron. Another possibility might be that the man on top is "gauging" the car so they can remove a certain number of gallons, but that would be tricky. The word "inedible" hand lettered on the end seems odd.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Baltimore Museum of Industry Image Collection-MP Box Car

water.kresse@...
 

Did anyone have problems with this site Image Collection being very, very slow yesterday afternoon?  If not, then it is my old Pentium 4 processor PC and Comcast's old over-stretched system.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 12:16:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Baltimore Museum of Industry Image Collection-MP Box Car

Also from the Baltimore Museum of Industry, an interesting photo of MP
#31783 boxcar being unloaded at WM Ry grain elevator in Port Covington.
A very good view of the running boards ca. 1956.

http://tinyurl.com/4u5gt5j

Catalog NumberBGE.30791Object NameNegative, FilmDescriptionInterior view
of grain carrying cargo being unloaded at the Western Maryland Railroad
Grain Elevator
Port CovingtonDate8/28/1956
One can search by catalog number only (i.e. BGE.30971).

Bob Witt


Re: USRA Hopper List

water.kresse@...
 

I strongly agree on doing a photo search . . . . especially in the ERA that you are modeling.



"Spotting a few cars in photos of trains in the area you model would be even better at avoiding making a model that might never or only rarely appear on your layout."



In putting together an article on the C&Os USRA twin-hops we found that cars didn't always follow what the diagrams sheets implied they should look like.  We found some were equipped with "bibbed" or double-notched radial and full-radial end extensions.  Also, field shots did not support continued use of their "Columbia Trust" paint liveries for very long.  Also, it was imposible to determine when their lever style hand brakes were replaced with vertical shaft with wheel hand brakes.  Fortunately, the Raceland Car Shops made 5 x 7s image prints of most the C&Os car series in the Van's new paint livery for the management folks up in Cleveland in the spring-summer of 1931 (I believe an extra set was found in the Huntington Labs in 1968).



It means getting a loop out and checking yard shots, etc. and then scanning at 1000 dpi to find them.



We are also going to find "non-standard or different than the diagram sheets" rebuilds of the 70-ton center-clam-shell USRA design inspired hopper cars.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:57:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA Hopper List

It would seem that if your goal is to build and letter a couple of models, you would be more interested in photos - preferably taken in the era you model. The STMFC site, Speedwitch books, possibly older issues of RMJ or Model Railroading (the latter two available free on-line) if they covered the Tichy or Accurail cars, would give you more pertinent info than a  roster. Spotting a few cars in photos of trains in the area you model would be even better at avoiding making a model that might never or only rarely appear on your layout.

Pieter Roos



--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I have a couple of Tichy USRA hoppers that I want to find prototypes for and I was hoping that someone has a USRA list so I could refer to.
 
I have no idea if the R&LHS bulletin is accurate or not accurate. It looks like I'll have to pay $15 to get the information.
 
Thanks.
 


To: STMFC@...
From: thompson@...
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:24:24 -0800
Subject: Re: [STMFC] USRA Hopper List


 



Steve Hedlund wrote:
USRA box car, gondola and steam engine rosters have been well
documented in the last few years. But what about the USRA 2-Bay
hopper? I am having a hard time finding an accurate roster. Can
someone help me locate a roster? Thanks.
There's a complete roster in R&LHS Bulletin 128. Do you think it's
inaccurate?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



                                               

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