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Great Northern Beer Cars

gary laakso
 

Prohibition was in place for 3 years when Great Northern issued its Classification and Numbering of Locomotives and Equipment List No. 24. It listed 42 beer cars in 6 different classes. Apparently, these were obsolete reefers since the longest one was 34 feet 3 inches long and the shortest was 33 feet ten inches long.

The classification was issued just months before the formation of Western Fruit Express. From the dimensions of the inside and outside of the cars, the ice compartments were removed (inside dimensions ranged from 5 to 8 inches shorter then the car length).

I assume that these cars were used as an early form of insulated boxcars. I assume for that reason none made it to the first Western Fruit Express roster.


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
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Re: USRA Hopper List

Pieter Roos
 

The Richard Hendrickson article in RMJ which Chris references includes the roster of hoppers from the Lane article.

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I'm modeling in the 1919 to 1925 period so having a roster to go by would be the first thing that I would need to do before trying to look for photos.

I know that there are USRA copies and look-a-likes so having a good USRA roster would be important to have before starting any kind of research.

BTW, thanks for everyone's suggestions so far and it is much appreciated.

- Steve


Re: Having Problem Identifying MILW car

S hed <shed999@...>
 

Thanks for the information on the MILW flat car. That narrows it down.

BTW, that McKeen car is the "Kulshan" which was originally bought by the Bellingham Bay & British Columbia. In 1912 the BB&BC was acquired by the Bellingham & Northern. which was a fully owned subsidiary of the Chicago Milwaukee & St Paul. All of the BB&BC freight cars and equiptment, such as the Kulshan, was transferred to the B&N. In 1919 the B&N was absorbed into the CM&StP and the Kulshan served the Milwaukee Road until it was involved in an accident in 1921 or 1922. It was scrapped thereafter. Most likely the Kulshan operated on the Bellingham route until it's demise (maybe).

I'm not sure when the BB&BC bought the Kulshan. It was not in my May 1909 ORER but it does show up in my Dec 1911 ORER. So it was bought sometime between those two dates.

I have a color post card of the Kulshan and it was painted the same color as the restored V&T McKeen car. Really cool looking thing.

In case some of you are curious about the Milwaukee's Bellingham line, here is a brief explanation of it. And only a brief explanation since I don't want to stray off this group's topic. But I think some information on the Milwaukee Road's Puget Sound freight car operation is in order.

Living north of Seattle for me it is hard not to talk about the Milwaukee Road and Bellingham not think about the marvelous car ferry system that it used to have. For those not familiar with it beyond what the Seattle & North Coast did here is a very brief outline on how things used to be.

The BB&BC was pretty much a bridge route between Sumas (with the Canadian Pacific) and Bellingham (with the Great Northern). When the BB&BC was purchased by the CM&StP in 1912, the line did not connect with the rest of the Milwaukee Road system. The Bellingham & Northern was a wholly owned CM&StP subsidiary with the express purpose of buying the BB&BC.

Another subsidiary called the Milwaukee Terminal Railway was organized in April 7, 1908 with the purpose of constructing trackage and ferry landings and the operation of car ferries for the Milwaukee Road in the Puget Sound.

Initially the Milwaukee Terminal had facilities in Seattle (3-tracks in 1909), Ballard (2 slips in 1909: 1-track and 3-tracks), Tacoma (3-tracks in 1909), Port Blakely (1-track in 1912), Eagle Harbor (Winslow) (1-track in 1912), Bellingham (3-tracks in 1912), Port Angeles (1-track in in 1914), Port Townsend (3-tracks in 1915). This information came from an official valuation report.

The Milwaukee Road also built car ferry terminals in Port Gamble, Shelton and North Vancouver, BC. BTW, in case you were wondering, BCIT lettered cars were initally dedicated for BCOL-MILW service.

The Port Angeles landing was replaced by the Port Townsend landing in 1915. In 1916 the Ballard landings was removed. Also in 1916 the Tacoma landing was removed to be replaced by Dock #2 and a single track landing constructed across the waterway from the original. The Seattle to Port Townsend run was the longest lived and probably the most famous. The ferry landing hardware is still there at Port Townsend. And you can also see what's left of the Bellingham ferry landing. Just go to your favorite map website, such as Google Maps and Bing Maps, type in "Bellingham WA". You want to find where Corwall Ave and E Pine St meet.

Seattle's ferry landing is now disappeared thanks to the Port of Seattle. But you can see where it used to be at East Marginal Way and just south of S Lander St. If you are lucky you can still see it depending on the age of the satellite photo some images. It was gone in Bing maps when I checked an hour ago but it reappeared a few minutes ago when I checked again.

The Port Townsend ferry landing is on the south side of town and adjacent to the marina. You can see the track lead going out to the car ferry landing.

Very interesting operation and probably more than you want to know. I'll stop here now.

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA



To: STMFC@...
From: Edwardsutorik@...
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:18:37 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Having Problem Identifying MILW car








--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I recently found the following for Bellingham WA

http://www.downtownbellingham.com/documents/RailroadWalkingTour.pdf

If you go to the far right of page 1 and zoom in you'll see a really neat looking CM&StP bulkhead flat car. I've been trying to identify what series that car belongs to but with no luck.

Is there anyone here that can help out?

In case you are wondering, those hoppers in front of the MILW car belong to Olympic Portland Cement Co. OPCCo has a large plant on the northside of Bellingham (and on Puget Sound) and it was served by the GN and the MILW. Not sure what kind of hoppers those are though. And that plant is still in operation.

BTW, on the bottom right behind the Bellingham & Northern steam engine is a Bellingham & Northern 36' box car (they only had one series of box car, 600 to 690). And I think the car behind that is a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound 50' automobile box car (series 206501 to 207470).

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA

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The car number appears to be either 68319 or 68519. The former is in series 68001-68489 (odd numbers) with 220 cars in the November 1926 ORER. The latter number is in series 68511-68619 (odd numbers) with 37 cars. The cars are 41' outside length with steel underframes. There is no note concerning the bulkheads; but I note on the photo that the only stakepockets seem to be the ones that receive the apparently removably bulkheads, so it appears the car has been at least slightly modified to accept the bulkheads (or the car was originally built with just four stake pockets. At the ends. The four other flats in the photo have log bunks, so I wouldn't be surprised if the car were used for some variation of "pulpwood loading". Interesting that the horizontal planking is not carried all the way across the car--apparently to allow the brakeman to pass through and do his job should the car be running empty.

Also of interest (somewhat beyond freight cars, though) is the McKeen car. Hubba hubba. Should Exactrail ever do one (or maybe Athearn), it'll be hard to resist (yes, I know of the Kidder ones; but I recall them being much shorter). I note that the first word on the side is definitely NOT BB&BC--I'm getting something like "SULSHAM".

And the world's biggest Christmas tree--nice!

Ed

Edward Sutorik





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Re: Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

O Fenton Wells
 

Dennis, since this is my first Savannah meet I would like to join the group
for meals. Seafood Friday evening is good for me. I am driving down Friday
morning so I will be there between 9:00 and 10:00AM on Friday.
Fenton

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Denis Blake <dblake7@...>wrote:



Bill and all

For those who have never been to the Savananh meet before let me tell you
it
has some traits of a family reunion. There are those of us who gather at a
local Waffle House for breakfast each morning. Lunch is sort of a on your
own affair. Dinner is when we lock the place up and go do dinner. A local
seafood restaurant is a favorite as well is the local Applebee's. Most go
to the seafood rest. and we are generally seated in a large room in the
back. It is a family affair. In that respect there will be NO problem
sitting with like minded individuals.

To those who are attending for the first time I look forward to seeing you
all there. It is a nice show, in a nice city at a nice time of the year.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH

2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Gentleman:

The Prototype modeling event is coming up soon in Savannah.
Remembering the frustration voiced after the Cocoa Beach event in
January (I think it was Jared) about the difficulty in connecting
with fellow Freight Car list people, a frustration I shared, it
thought I would put forward a proposal. Normally I would not mind
coordinating what I am proposing but I do not know the area near the
meeting and therefore do not know the potential venues, plus I am
doing a presentation each day and would hope someone not doing a
presentation could take on this responsibility.

Would it be possible to get together for a meal, breakfast or lunch,
on Saturday? I don't know how many of this could or will be but we
would need a restaurant willing to let us sit together at tables in
the same vicinity at a minimum.

If someone is willing to coordinate this, they could identify
themselves and we could connect with them off the list.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...

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Re: conductor's train book data for box cars

A. Premo <armprem2@...>
 

Having some thousand wheel reports ,I have come to the conclusion that location is the most important factor in freight car distribution.Another factor is the size of the railroad being modeled.Railroads serving largely rural areas are most likely to have a much different mix.FWIW.Armand Premo

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From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:07 AM
Subject: [STMFC] conductor's train book data for box cars



I've analyzed the same conductor's train book I mentioned
earlier, this time for the 139 box cars in the sample. This isn't a
very big sample, but it does yield some interesting conclusions. I've
summarized them in a blog post, at

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/03/modeling-freight-traffic-coast-line_11.html
.

The main thing I think I can get from the data is that about
a third of all the box cars in the sample were home-road cars (SP +
T&NO), which is about what I'd concluded from counting cars in photos
of yards and trains. Perhaps also noteworthy is that PRR cars were
represented at about their percentage in the national car fleet, but
some other roads were notably under- or over-represented, in Gilbert-
Nelson terms. I personally do not attach much importance to that
conclusion, however, because the sample is pretty small for most roads.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: Having Problem Identifying MILW car

spsalso
 

--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I recently found the following for Bellingham WA

http://www.downtownbellingham.com/documents/RailroadWalkingTour.pdf

If you go to the far right of page 1 and zoom in you'll see a really neat
looking CM&StP bulkhead flat car. I've been trying to identify what series that
car belongs to but with no luck.

Is there anyone here that can help out?

In case you are wondering, those hoppers in front of the MILW car belong to
Olympic Portland Cement Co. OPCCo has a large plant on the northside of
Bellingham (and on Puget Sound) and it was served by the GN and the MILW. Not
sure what kind of hoppers those are though. And that plant is still in
operation.

BTW, on the bottom right behind the Bellingham & Northern steam engine is a
Bellingham & Northern 36' box car (they only had one series of box car, 600 to
690). And I think the car behind that is a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound 50'
automobile box car (series 206501 to 207470).

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA


The car number appears to be either 68319 or 68519. The former is in series
68001-68489 (odd numbers) with 220 cars in the November 1926 ORER. The latter
number is in series 68511-68619 (odd numbers) with 37 cars. The cars are 41'
outside length with steel underframes. There is no note concerning the
bulkheads; but I note on the photo that the only stakepockets seem to be the
ones that receive the apparently removably bulkheads, so it appears the car has
been at least slightly modified to accept the bulkheads (or the car was
originally built with just four stake pockets). At the ends. The four other
flats in the photo have log bunks, so I wouldn't be surprised if the car were
used for some variation of "pulpwood loading". Interesting that the horizontal
planking is not carried all the way across the car--apparently to allow the
brakeman to pass through and do his job should the car be running empty.

Also of interest (somewhat beyond freight cars, though) is the McKeen car.
Hubba hubba. Should Exactrail ever do one (or maybe Athearn), it'll be hard to
resist (yes, I know of the Kidder ones; but I recall them being much shorter).
I note that the first word on the side is definitely NOT BB&BC--I'm getting
something like "SULSHAM".

And the world's biggest Christmas tree--nice!


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: 1930's Swift reefer color SRLX 3707

Andy Cich
 

I have built 4 of the Sunshine cars in the yellow paint scheme. I use Polly
Scale paints as well. The Sunshine instructions say to use a mixture of 4/5
reefer yellow and 1/5 reefer orange. I used this ratio and am happy with
the results. For the ends I used Polly Scale box car red.



I painted the sides first and then the ends. I didn't bother with any
masking. Just be careful with the angle of your spray and you will get a
sharp edge between the colors at the corner of the car. Of course, some
items will need to be touched up with a brush, but the Polly Scale levels
well and you can't tell what was airbrushed and what was not. The edge of
the brake step near the side comes to mind as something that had to be
touched up.



I did mask the sides later to paint the fascia. This is an easy mask
without interference of detail parts like grab irons, cut levers, etc.. And
to anyone painting the red cars I will pass along this tip: Instead of
painting the fascia white, I used Microscale 6" wide white decal stripes. I
can never paint white properly and this solution worked out great.



Andy Cich


conductor's train book data for box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I've analyzed the same conductor's train book I mentioned earlier, this time for the 139 box cars in the sample. This isn't a very big sample, but it does yield some interesting conclusions. I've summarized them in a blog post, at

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/03/modeling-freight-traffic-coast-line_11.html .

The main thing I think I can get from the data is that about a third of all the box cars in the sample were home-road cars (SP + T&NO), which is about what I'd concluded from counting cars in photos of yards and trains. Perhaps also noteworthy is that PRR cars were represented at about their percentage in the national car fleet, but some other roads were notably under- or over-represented, in Gilbert- Nelson terms. I personally do not attach much importance to that conclusion, however, because the sample is pretty small for most roads.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


1930's Swift reefer color SRLX 3707

Dean Payne
 

The Atlas 36' wood reefer looks to be a close match to a photo I have of SRLX 3707. I has the general look; I haven't done measurements,but it has the same roof facia, 4-hinge doors, exposed cross-bearers, etc. It should have drop grabs, however, and six instead of 5...
The photo shows what I presume are yellow sides and red/brown ends and roof. I now have a pair of Sunshine decals for my pair of Atlas reefers, so I need to get painting. I'm assuming reefer yellow, not reefer orange, but I have a fair number of shades for the ends and roofs. My normal acrylics: Polyscale BCR, Special Oxide Red, Zinc Chromate, Roof Brown, Badger rail brown, and a couple solvent-based: Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown and Southern Freight Car brown. I'm happy to have a decent selection, and surveyed my other reefers for ideas. They tended towards oxide, but ran the gamut to brown. Whenever I get around to weathering, it wouldn't matter if I chose, say, Roof Brown vs. Rail Brown, but it would Roof Brown vs Zinc Chromate! What's something that's close to the color I'd see in the mid-late 30's? OH, and is the underframe the same color as the ends, or black?

These cars don't have separate sides, so I'll have to mask. Is it better to mask the sides and paint the ends and roof first, or vice versa?
Also, what was the range of numbers for the series of cars SRL X3707 was in? I have two cars, and if I numbered one say, 3745 in honor of Arthur Lee's birthday, and later found that 3745 belonged to a different series of reefers, I'd feel foolish. It's not wise to assume the series was 3700 to 3799, it could have been 3600-3899 or 3701-3750 or whatever... I also have a photo of SRLX 6505 that is an even better match, but it's in a decades-later paint scheme, and may have been renumbered, for all I know. SRLX doesn't show up on my 1935 ORER, of course...

Dean Payne


Re: Verona Trucks

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

I've just uploaded the actual drawings for the Verona 70 ton truck used under the NYC Hopper Car. I have other photos of the Verona drawings as well if you're interested.

The Pennsylvania Archives is not able to routinely duplicate these large drawings. That's why I've taken pictures instead.

I don't believe you'll be able to find these with the tracing numbers. They're contained in the Pullman Standard collection, MG 393, in the Pennsylvania Archives. They're not filed that way.

My guess is that they're in one of these three boxes: 393m.47, 393m.49, or 393m.50. You'll be able to tell real quickly if it's the right box, because there's a large tab that says Verona inside the box.

Bob Karig


Having Problem Identifying MILW car

S hed <shed999@...>
 

I recently found the following for Bellingham WA

http://www.downtownbellingham.com/documents/RailroadWalkingTour.pdf

If you go to the far right of page 1 and zoom in you'll see a really neat looking CM&StP bulkhead flat car. I've been trying to identify what series that car belongs to but with no luck.

Is there anyone here that can help out?

In case you are wondering, those hoppers in front of the MILW car belong to Olympic Portland Cement Co. OPCCo has a large plant on the northside of Bellingham (and on Puget Sound) and it was served by the GN and the MILW. Not sure what kind of hoppers those are though. And that plant is still in operation.

BTW, on the bottom right behind the Bellingham & Northern steam engine is a Bellingham & Northern 36' box car (they only had one series of box car, 600 to 690). And I think the car behind that is a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound 50' automobile box car (series 206501 to 207470).

- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA


Nice online reference for coal handling

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Cover conveyors, rail cars, storage, and delivery. From 1948.

http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc29964/m1/1/

KL


Tank Car, was Re: Overhead Circa 1928 Photo of Reefers at B&O Camden Warehouse

Douglas Harding
 

Note further the tank car in question is being unloaded at a Lever Brothers
plant. Lever Brothers makes soap. Many Inedible (unfit for human
consumption) fats/oils from slaughter houses were used to make soap, ie
tallow, lard, etc.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Verona Trucks

Jim Wolf
 

Roger,

Would you happen to know the drawing number for the 70t Verona trucks? A gentleman is willing to acquire them, but he can't find any reference to Verona in their database. I will tell him to search under Standard Steel in the meantime.

Thank you,

Jim Wolf

--- In STMFC@..., ROGER HINMAN <rhinman11@...> wrote:

The PA State Archives at Harrisiburg has Stanard Steel drawings for these.

Roger Hinman
On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:46 AM, wjimwolf wrote:

Anyone know of the existence of drawings for the 70t Verona trucks used under many NYC hoppers?

Jim Wolf
Belen, NM



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Re: Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

seaboard_1966
 

Bill

Not a problem, glad to do it. Bob and I hope to see many new faces at the meet this year. We hope that all attendees have a great time.

Denis



2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Thanks Denis for filling us newcomers in on the scene at Savannah.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Denis Blake" <dblake7@...> wrote:

Bill and all

For those who have never been to the Savananh meet before let me tell you it
has some traits of a family reunion. There are those of us who gather at a
local Waffle House for breakfast each morning. Lunch is sort of a on your
own affair. Dinner is when we lock the place up and go do dinner. A local
seafood restaurant is a favorite as well is the local Applebee's. Most go
to the seafood rest. and we are generally seated in a large room in the
back. It is a family affair. In that respect there will be NO problem
sitting with like minded individuals.

To those who are attending for the first time I look forward to seeing you
all there. It is a nice show, in a nice city at a nice time of the year.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH



2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Gentleman:

The Prototype modeling event is coming up soon in Savannah.
Remembering the frustration voiced after the Cocoa Beach event in
January (I think it was Jared) about the difficulty in connecting
with fellow Freight Car list people, a frustration I shared, it
thought I would put forward a proposal. Normally I would not mind
coordinating what I am proposing but I do not know the area near the
meeting and therefore do not know the potential venues, plus I am
doing a presentation each day and would hope someone not doing a
presentation could take on this responsibility.

Would it be possible to get together for a meal, breakfast or lunch,
on Saturday? I don't know how many of this could or will be but we
would need a restaurant willing to let us sit together at tables in
the same vicinity at a minimum.

If someone is willing to coordinate this, they could identify
themselves and we could connect with them off the list.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
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Re: Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Denis for filling us newcomers in on the scene at Savannah.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Denis Blake" <dblake7@...> wrote:

Bill and all

For those who have never been to the Savananh meet before let me tell you it
has some traits of a family reunion. There are those of us who gather at a
local Waffle House for breakfast each morning. Lunch is sort of a on your
own affair. Dinner is when we lock the place up and go do dinner. A local
seafood restaurant is a favorite as well is the local Applebee's. Most go
to the seafood rest. and we are generally seated in a large room in the
back. It is a family affair. In that respect there will be NO problem
sitting with like minded individuals.

To those who are attending for the first time I look forward to seeing you
all there. It is a nice show, in a nice city at a nice time of the year.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH



2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Gentleman:

The Prototype modeling event is coming up soon in Savannah.
Remembering the frustration voiced after the Cocoa Beach event in
January (I think it was Jared) about the difficulty in connecting
with fellow Freight Car list people, a frustration I shared, it
thought I would put forward a proposal. Normally I would not mind
coordinating what I am proposing but I do not know the area near the
meeting and therefore do not know the potential venues, plus I am
doing a presentation each day and would hope someone not doing a
presentation could take on this responsibility.

Would it be possible to get together for a meal, breakfast or lunch,
on Saturday? I don't know how many of this could or will be but we
would need a restaurant willing to let us sit together at tables in
the same vicinity at a minimum.

If someone is willing to coordinate this, they could identify
themselves and we could connect with them off the list.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...



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Re: Inedible [Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]]

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

This photo was taken at Lever Brothers which made, among other things, soap.



Jim Brewer

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:42:13 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Inedible [Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]]

 




Although I claim no direct knowledge, the words 'inedible' and occasionally 'edible' were often found on tank cars originating from meatpacking plants. Yes, tallow was one, and some cars were actually marked 'inedible tallow'. There are probably some today.

I believe 'edible' was material that came off the packinghouse floor under the same conditions as the meat, that is, it was not contaminated in such a way as to render it unsafe for human consumption. More commonly, this same material was handled in ways that rendered it unfit for human consumption as part of its processing, before it was pumped into the tank car. This latter, of course, was cheaper, and was of no consequence if it was destined for a soap maker or other industrial use.

Examples of this processing might include being shoveled into a bin, or being hosed down from the literal floor, or stored in outdoor tankage, or being conveyed in industrial hoses or piping that was not sanitary.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@... , "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
<snip> One was to repaint with different wording or minimal
lettering. One might have been simply to write "inedible" on the end...maybe
a skull and crossbones would have been more effective

Elden Gatwood

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Just a guess about "inedible" and the location. Probably a car of tallow for
soap or such.
Chuck Hladik



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Re: Inedible [Tank car photo [Was: 1928 Photo of Reefers . . .]]

mopacfirst
 

Although I claim no direct knowledge, the words 'inedible' and occasionally 'edible' were often found on tank cars originating from meatpacking plants. Yes, tallow was one, and some cars were actually marked 'inedible tallow'. There are probably some today.

I believe 'edible' was material that came off the packinghouse floor under the same conditions as the meat, that is, it was not contaminated in such a way as to render it unsafe for human consumption. More commonly, this same material was handled in ways that rendered it unfit for human consumption as part of its processing, before it was pumped into the tank car. This latter, of course, was cheaper, and was of no consequence if it was destined for a soap maker or other industrial use.

Examples of this processing might include being shoveled into a bin, or being hosed down from the literal floor, or stored in outdoor tankage, or being conveyed in industrial hoses or piping that was not sanitary.

Ron Merrick


--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
<snip> One was to repaint with different wording or minimal
lettering. One might have been simply to write "inedible" on the end...maybe
a skull and crossbones would have been more effective

Elden Gatwood

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Just a guess about "inedible" and the location. Probably a car of tallow for
soap or such.
Chuck Hladik


Re: Overhead Circa 1928 Photo of Reefers at B&O Camden Warehouse

Bill Welch
 

Alternatively, the folks at Accurail could tool up a welded side to produce a third steel sheathed reefer version. The little "Banana" logo would appeal to many and would provide enough sales to cover the cost of tooling considering the other major components are already available. This alternative would increase the happiness of many.

Bill Welch

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--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@> wrote:

There is not really a good model. These were welded cars.

Bill
I just took a look at the pix Bill sent me a while back. The welded cars have all the accouterments of the soon to be released Accurail steel reefer; Same ends, same roof, but different sides. I got to wondering if one could shave the rivets off the Accurail sides, but two problems; the welded cars used shorter doors, and they used the older style cast hinges. Those hinges are made, however, by Grandt Line, as are the latch bars. Since the Accurail kit is going to have separate sides applied to full sub-sides that form the core of the body, it looks like the easiest way to model these cars is to make new welded sides by scribing the weld lines on .040" styrene sheet, then adding the Grandt latch bars, hinges, and a few Archer rivets on the door.

Dennis


Re: Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

seaboard_1966
 

Bill and all

For those who have never been to the Savananh meet before let me tell you it has some traits of a family reunion. There are those of us who gather at a local Waffle House for breakfast each morning. Lunch is sort of a on your own affair. Dinner is when we lock the place up and go do dinner. A local seafood restaurant is a favorite as well is the local Applebee's. Most go to the seafood rest. and we are generally seated in a large room in the back. It is a family affair. In that respect there will be NO problem sitting with like minded individuals.

To those who are attending for the first time I look forward to seeing you all there. It is a nice show, in a nice city at a nice time of the year.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH



2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

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Subject: [STMFC] Getting Together in Savannah During March 25-26 Event

Gentleman:

The Prototype modeling event is coming up soon in Savannah.
Remembering the frustration voiced after the Cocoa Beach event in
January (I think it was Jared) about the difficulty in connecting
with fellow Freight Car list people, a frustration I shared, it
thought I would put forward a proposal. Normally I would not mind
coordinating what I am proposing but I do not know the area near the
meeting and therefore do not know the potential venues, plus I am
doing a presentation each day and would hope someone not doing a
presentation could take on this responsibility.

Would it be possible to get together for a meal, breakfast or lunch,
on Saturday? I don't know how many of this could or will be but we
would need a restaurant willing to let us sit together at tables in
the same vicinity at a minimum.

If someone is willing to coordinate this, they could identify
themselves and we could connect with them off the list.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
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