On Mar 20, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Gene wrote:

I seem to recall that BLI promised January 2011 delivery on these
cars. Has that actually happened? Is more up-to-date information
available?
I couldn't find anything on the BLI website.

Gene, the latest information I have is that the NYC box cars will be
here in late summer.

Richard Hendrickson

Rich,
 
Steve Johnson is probably your best bet.  He monitors this list and may respond directly to you.  He's involved with the Tennessee Central Museum.
 
Regards,
 
Mitch Mercante

Hi, Gene. I found the date on their site, March 2011. The shop I do business with has also told me March, probably by the end of the month.
Norm Larkin

Would anyone by any chance have the index to Railway Age in 1946? If so
please contact me off line
Thanks
Tom, Bartlesville

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I'm looking for someone that may have photos from the Tennessee Central
railroad.
If you know of someone please contact me.
Sincerely, Rich Yoder

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "timken2626" <timken2626@...> wrote:

Greg's Garage used to make resin vehicles going back into the 30s. They started out unpainted at a very reasonable price. Then they started prepainting them, and the price went up. I just did a search, and turned up a few individual vehicles, but did not find a manufacturer's web site, and they don't show up in the 2011 Walthers catalog, so I don't know what has become of the line.

Chuck Soule

I find them on eBay with some regularity. With a little fussing they can be fair models but still not foreground quality in my opinion.

Someone mentioned Williams Bros. Are they shipping again?

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:

May I point out that Broadway has some new pictures of their NYC boxes on their site. They appear to be improved, but yet still fall far short of excellent. Myself, I prefer excellent.

Ed
Edward Sutorik

I seem to recall that BLI promised January 2011 delivery on these cars. Has that actually happened? Is more up-to-date information available?
I couldn't find anything on the BLI website.

Gene Green

I have kit 64.35 a X-26C do you think they are the same? Let me know and I
can scan and send.
Fenton

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Des Norman <desanorman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hello all,
I recently bought 2nd-hand an unstarted Sunshine kit. It's kit #64.21
for a PRR X26C. Unfortunately there are no instruction sheets included.

Would anyone have a set of instructions which they could scan and email,
please? It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
Des Norman

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Tom-
Thanks for looking!
Charlie
Charlie

I returned home today after getting into Kansas City on No. 4 and driving to
Bartlesville.

My "Standards" is newer than I thiught, 1975. But it had no lettering fints
in it.

Sorry

Tom

Hello all,
I recently bought 2nd-hand an unstarted Sunshine kit. It's kit #64.21 for a PRR X26C. Unfortunately there are no instruction sheets included.

Would anyone have a set of instructions which they could scan and email, please? It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
Des Norman

Somehow I knew you would have them but it never hurts to offer. Look
forward to meeting you in Savannah.
Fenton

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:24 PM, lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

Thank you Fenton. I am pretty sure I have these. I also have detailed
photos of the two decking systems installed by FGE and drawings for them
too. I am hoping the citation I am looking for may have some text about the
system, hopefully quoting FGE's Mechanical Dept. I am also curious to know
which group of decked cars the article is about as this may help me put a
date to when the steel sheathed decked cars were built.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I have 2 Howard Ameling photos of such a cars. Car No.9392, reweigh date
Jax 8-56 and No. 9235 with rewigh dates of Jax 3-54.
If you need them.
Fenton
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>wrote:

The bibliography of the 1943 Car Builder's Cyclopedia says that on
page 791 of the May 8, 1937 issue of "Railway Age" there is an
article about the Double Deck Refrigerator Cars owned by Fruit
Growers Express. Before I try to find this issue in a library
somewhere, I wanted to see if someone on the this list owns this
issue. If so, could you please contact me offline.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...

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Greg's garage was from Saginaw, MI. I believe that roughly a year or 2 ago, he decided to go out of business for reason(s) unknown to me. I think that he sold mostly locally(in the SE Michigan area), as I would usually see him @ the Ann Arbor Train Show, the Gratiot Valley Train Shows & the Redford Model RR Club shows in for the past 10 or 15 years. I didn't know that he was in the Walther's Catalogs, at least there are no listing of Greg's Garage in my 2005 or 2007 Walthers catalogs. 



I always thought that he did a pretty decent job for a fairly decent price, $5.00/ a model which was painted. He also did some 4 door cars & some not so common autos.



Larry Wolohon

Thank you Fenton. I am pretty sure I have these. I also have detailed photos of the two decking systems installed by FGE and drawings for them too. I am hoping the citation I am looking for may have some text about the system, hopefully quoting FGE's Mechanical Dept. I am also curious to know which group of decked cars the article is about as this may help me put a date to when the steel sheathed decked cars were built.

Bill Welch

I have 2 Howard Ameling photos of such a cars. Car No.9392, reweigh date
Jax 8-56 and No. 9235 with rewigh dates of Jax 3-54.
If you need them.
Fenton
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:

The bibliography of the 1943 Car Builder's Cyclopedia says that on
page 791 of the May 8, 1937 issue of "Railway Age" there is an
article about the Double Deck Refrigerator Cars owned by Fruit
Growers Express. Before I try to find this issue in a library
somewhere, I wanted to see if someone on the this list owns this
issue. If so, could you please contact me offline.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

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Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@gmail.com


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The bibliography of the 1943 Car Builder's Cyclopedia says that on
page 791 of the May 8, 1937 issue of "Railway Age" there is an
article about the Double Deck Refrigerator Cars owned by Fruit
Growers Express. Before I try to find this issue in a library
somewhere, I wanted to see if someone on the this list owns this
issue. If so, could you please contact me offline.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

Bill:



In going through all of my AAR Rules books covering the "Loading of
Commodities On Open Top Cars" I find no mention of the covering or tarping
of the load. The rules are very specific as to how the load was to be
secured to the car. I would assume that after inspection by the "Railroad
Loading Inspector" the shipper could cover the load with tarps any way they
wanted to protect their product from the weather. One would assume that to
insure that the tarp stayed in place for the entire trip they were well
secured to the car.



Paul C. Koehler



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:27 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] "MACHINERY LOADS FOR GONS" ARTICLE






I have a question prompted by Clark Propst excellent article on
machinery loads in the current
RMC. As I would like to incorporate this technique for flat cars I
would like to know how the
tarps were secured. Probably tacked to the deck, cinched by rope or a
combination of both.
Just want to be sure before I start.

Thaks in advance.

Bill Pardie

That's true: There's no legal limitation on signing a ridiculous contract.

I wonder why these "cash cow" farmers don't realize that things aren't worth what you think they are, rather only what someone is willing to pay for them. They don't seem to be making much money sitting in a file cabinet.

KL

I have a question prompted by Clark Propst excellent article on machinery loads in the current
RMC. As I would like to incorporate this technique for flat cars I would like to know how the
tarps were secured. Probably tacked to the deck, cinched by rope or a combination of both.
Just want to be sure before I start.

Thaks in advance.

Bill Pardie

Folks,

Just a quick note on this subject to clarify. The original question
from Dave Evans was regarding WWII era stock trains. Most of the trains
cited below are post WWII, as are their schedules. Even the "Man O'war
cited by Dave is post WWII, iirc.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

<SUVCWORR@aol.com> 03/19/11 6:21 PM >>>

Greg,

According to 1952 freight car schedules, PRR was running the following
east bound livestock trains:

SW-8 rest and water at Columbus no stop Herr's Island

PH-10 lives stock block terminated Herr's Island

VL-6 live stock block terminated Herr's Island

NW-86 rest water feed Columbus no work Herr's Island

NW-88 rest water feed Columbus no work Herr's Island

WS-8 block 2 live stock terminate Herr's Island block 3 continue to
Enola without rest etc

FW-8 drop block at Herr;s Island pick-up rested live stock from VL-6,
PH-10, WS-8, PH-29 and previous day FW-8.

Looks like the only live stock train beyond Herr's Island that worked
Herr's Island was FW-8

So if wheel reports or consists of FW-8 can be located your question
should be answered.

SW-8, NW-86, NW-88 would need to show consists from Columbus.

I don't know what PH-29 is. It is not in the freight schedule and
should be an west bound or south bound train.

Rich Orr








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From: tgregmrtn@aol.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:38 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Foreign Road Stock Cars (was Re: Pacemaker boxcar
usage off-line of NYC)


Dave wrote:
"Greg,
I do not want to re-open the entire fleet balance debate, but I have not
yet
esearched what a viable mix of stock cars would be on a PRR stock train
(e.g.
an-of-war) in central Pennsylvania (after resting the east bound animals
at
err Island in Pittsburgh).
I guess the generic question is, once a stock car is loaded with stock
that is
estined for a specific location, could that car be replaced when the
stock was
emoved for rest/feeding/car cleaning at an intermediate location, or
would the
ar and its stock go all the way to the destination?
I would think this would govern whether western road stock cars make it
east of
err Island. I need to start identifying what models to buy.
Are there any era dependencies? I am modeling WWII.
Thanks,
ave Evans"


did a little research on the rail miles (current no era specific) and
it shows
hat CHGO to Newark, NJ (not exactly the slaughter houses) show to be 898
miles
Greenville Docks, NJ is the same). If I do the math using 21 miles per
hour as
he rule (stock would/should move faster than manifest freight) then it
would
ake approximately 43 hours to make the move and would be outside the AAR
rules
nd thus the stock would have to be rested and feed at Herr Island, PA
Pittsburgh, PA). But AAR records show during the WW2 era that train
speeds were
igher than in most other eras. I believe when it comes to Herr Island
you have
o think in terms of first in first out...

ut in my era of the mid 50s photo evidence shows that (dare I say this)
most
ars returning west (great shots crossing the Rockville Bridge) were of
western
rigin, not all just most. One need only search the pages of the Don Ball
books
s well as the Don Wood's book to see that there was less than one would
expect
f home road cars. I have found good evidence that the UP cars held down
a
remendous amount of the business (related to car supply) and an
abnormally low
mount of PRR cars show up. I was inspired to do my Shake N Take UP
S-40-10 car
n DLS paint based on a photo in Don Wood's book taken on the Middle Div.

railing an L&N Mathers stock car, trailing a PRR Mountain headed west.
Then in
he late fifties as the PRR began to take the stock business more
seriously and
ith the rebuilding program to the K9 and K11 program the worm turns so
to say.
e (SPF's) all realize that this business supported the fledgling
Truc/Trailer
rain program. In my stock car fleet it i
s doubtful that I will even bother to represent a PRR car in my
empty/loaded
ar fleet.
I have never done more than photo research and would love to see the
accounting
ecords during the transition era to see exactly where the PRR K class
cars
erived there per diem as they just don't really show up in on line
photos other
han parked... go figure.and the then compare the off line cars
accounting
chedules.
Greg Martin


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Kurt,

I would remind you that if you do not control the copyright on
something, then the way to "control" it is by restricting access. Thus,
if the NYCHS decides that they wish to control access to a drawing that
they own, but for which they do not hold the copyright, they are well
within their rights to require that anyone aquiring copies from them
sign an agreement that requires the purchaser to do whatever NYCHS
dictates in order to gain access, including paying royalties on
subsequent models. The requirements detailed by Denis indicate that
someone or a group at the NYCSHS think that somehow the NYCSHS'
resources are a "cash cow" that should be milked.

OTOH, the PRRT&HS and the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee strive to assist
manufacturers to identify exactly those drawings that might be needed
for a given project and the PRRT&HS even offers a manufacturers
membership which provides discounted rates on access to drawings in the
society's collection. No royalty agreements are asked for and no
royalties are paid. Although the PRRT&HS does not request them, model
are sometimes provided by manufacturers to the PRRT&HS which then
raffles them at the annual meeting.

This is not a "red team" versus "green team" thing, as the PRRT&HS was
in the same situation as the NYCSHS 15-20 years ago, when modelers felt
decidedly unwelcome by the "powers that be". However, some members,
mostly younger modelers, stuck it out and gradually changed the focus of
the PRRT&HS to included modelers (in addition to employees and
historians) and the society is definitely the better for it. Hopefully
the NYCSHS can continue to make progress in a similar direction.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@verizon.net> 03/19/11 9:17 PM >>>

It's more a matter of what "they" are missisng: an understanding of
intelectual property laws, particularly with regard to copyrights. Not
uncommon, unfortunately. In the military vehicle world there are
several
libraries claiming copyright to photographs that have the US Army Signal

Corps emblem in the corner!

(Government photographs are "born" in the public domain. It's not that
the
Government claims copyright and lets us use it free, it's that they are
not
protectable at all.)

KL

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From: pullmanboss

I work with the Newberry Library and am very familiar with their fee
structure and terms of use. I have redrawn a multitude of floor plan,
underneath equipment and side elevation drawings from Pullman originals
in
the Newberry files and am not in violation of the Newberry's terms of
use
when those (re)drawings show up in kit instructions. What am I missing
when
it comes to the NYCHS?



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