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Re: Sergent couplers

Randy Hammill
 

I've only experimented with them as I'm still building the layout. But yes, I found that you often have to use a good bit of force, or use the uncoupling stick to move them side-to-side a touch to make sure they are coupled.

I'm on the fence about whether I will use them. Initially I was not planning on sharing any equipment, but now that I'm modeling steam a friend and I will be sharing locomotives at the very least.

Since my primary modeling purpose will be operations, we will probably go the Kadee route and clip off the 'air hose'.

If we do go with the Sergent's I have also found that the ones I assembled don't work as smoothly as the pre-assembled ones.

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com

--- In STMFC@..., "gn3397" <heninger@...> wrote:

Hello all,
I am considering using the Sergent couplers and have a question. In Tim Warris' video and post, he states that he occasionally has trouble coupling the cars, sometimes having to use quite a bit of force to couple cars. However, he also states that he purchased the assembled couplers. For those of you who use these couplers, have you noticed the same problems? Do you use the assembled couplers, or do you assemble them yourself? If so, what assembly "tweaks" would you recommend to improve the operation of these couplers?

Thanks for your time.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA

Re: Sunshine instructions

O Fenton Wells
 

Roger that I'll try to get it over the pond in a few minutes.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:29 PM, desanorman <desanorman@...> wrote:



Hi Fenton,
My email address is desanorman@...

Many thanks,

Des

--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Des, send me your email so I can email the scans to you.
Fenton



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Sanford NC 27332
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Re: Pacemaker boxcar usage off-line of NYC - 175000 vs 174000 #s

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Jim! That would have been obvious to me if I had checked the
quantities of cars in the 175025-175999 series... (The 175000-175024
were the PS-1 box cars built in 1954 and delivered in Pacemaker colors
with full dimensional data.)

Tim O'Connor

The 174000 series cars were "assigned" to Pacemaker service. When they were removed from Pacemaker service, they were renumbered by changing the "4" to a "5". There is at least one picture extant that shows the "5" as obviously the only altered number on the CASO website - a quick and minimal renumbering job if there ever was one!

So the 175000 cars are just renumbered 174000 cars. At the same time, most if not all of them had the light "cushion" springs from their "LCL" assignment days replaced with regular springs so they would be available in the general boxcar pool.

Jim Yaworsky

Re: Sunshine instructions

Des Norman
 

Hi Fenton,
My email address is desanorman@...

Many thanks,
Des

--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Des, send me your email so I can email the scans to you.
Fenton

Re: Iron Horse Models Tank Cars and 10k Car in Particular (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Carl;

The one I have looks roughly like an AC&F prototype 10k insulated with dome
platform. Unfortunately, it has crude details, esp coined manway hatch, no
valves, and no brake detail.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Carl
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:50 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Iron Horse Models Tank Cars and 10k Car in Particular



I've reviewed any and all messages on the list(including the most recent set
beginning in January pertaining to the 12k cars), but am still confused (or
perhaps not well enough informed) on two basic qustions:

1. Do the Iron Horse Models by Precision Scale Models Company tank car models
(variously labelled 6k, 8k, 10k, 11+k, 12k, and 16k) represent any specific
prototype(s).

2. What specific prototype(s)--if any--does the Iron Horse 10k tank car
represent.

Any assistance, on or off list, will be appreciated. Best Wishes--CARL

Carl G. Camann
Atlanta, Georgia





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Re: Pacemaker boxcar usage off-line of NYC

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim

Don't forget the spectacular mile-long Alfred H. Smith bridge below Albany;
the massive double track steel truss at Kingston (imported by Overland in brass);
the amazing 3-level flyover bridges at Fuller Station NY and the twin steel trestles
over the gorge at Fuller just a mile or so to the south.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=selkirk+NY&aq=&sll=37.926868,-95.712891&sspn=58.180705,103.183594&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Selkirk,+Albany,+New+York&ll=42.725523,-73.960299&spn=0.003476,0.008342&t=k&z=18

People do model the NYC -- I think Jim Six and others are fans of NYC flat land
railroading in Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. And there are quite a few fans here in
New England where we still call it the "Boston & Albany".

Tim O'Connor

---------------------------------------------------

Also, it's hard to model 2 or 4 track mainline action in a reasonable space! It's not "quaint". No mountains. What "spectacular" scenery there is consists of massive items like a very large bridge across the wide and deep Niagara River gorge just north of the Falls etc.

However, do we really know how many layouts have actually been constructed for any given prototype railroad? How many NYC-themed model railroads exist? There's really no way of knowing, is there?

Jim Yaworsky

Re: Sergent couplers

Clark Propst
 

Yes, If you want to slow things down those couplers will do the job.
Clark

--- In STMFC@..., William Keene <wakeene@...> wrote:

Clark,

I have been using Sergent couplers for several years and am quite pleased with them. Operations so far have only been on a 2 x 8 foot switching layout. But the current much larger layout -- in the design and engineering phase -- will see their use also. I should add that all of my trackwork is within 24-inches of the front of the layout. There is no remote uncoupling required.

I have found that I switch a good deal slower with cars equipped with Sergent couplers than with Kadee couplers. To me, this reduced speed seems more prototypical. Did you find this to be the case also?

Happy Operations,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:39 AM, cepropst@... wrote:

Had the opportunity to operate for a bit on a layout using Sergent couplers last Saturday.

The look fantastic! They uncouple much easier than Kadees, but making sure they were in alignment when coupling was frustrating at best for a first time user.

We (traveling car load) decided that if we were building a small layout or detailed models for display they would be worth considering.
Clark Propst



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Re: Sunshine instructions

O Fenton Wells
 

Des, send me your email so I can email the scans to you.
Fenton

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:05 AM, desanorman <desanorman@...> wrote:



Hi Fenton,
I've just checked the list of Sunshine kits in the Files section. The ones
listed are all later kits.

The label on the kit I have has;
'PRR X-26C steel rebuild, Superior door, straight panel'

Maybe your one is another variant of the X26C, in which case presumably the
same instructions would do, so please send when convenient.

Regards,
Des

--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I have kit 64.35 a X-26C do you think they are the same? Let me know and
I can scan and send.
Fenton

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Des Norman <desanorman@...> wrote:
Hello all,
I recently bought 2nd-hand an unstarted Sunshine kit. It's kit #64.21
for a PRR X26C. Unfortunately there are no instruction sheets included.

Would anyone have a set of instructions which they could scan and
email, please? It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
Des Norman
--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
@srrfan


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Iron Horse Models Tank Cars and 10k Car in Particular

Carl
 

I've reviewed any and all messages on the list(including the most recent set beginning in January pertaining to the 12k cars), but am still confused (or perhaps not well enough informed) on two basic qustions:

1. Do the Iron Horse Models by Precision Scale Models Company tank car models (variously labelled 6k, 8k, 10k, 11+k, 12k, and 16k) represent any specific prototype(s).

2. What specific prototype(s)--if any--does the Iron Horse 10k tank car represent.

Any assistance, on or off list, will be appreciated. Best Wishes--CARL

Carl G. Camann
Atlanta, Georgia

Re: Sunshine instructions

Dennis Williams
 

Jim.
I do believe I may have these, go figure. Are they still needed??
Dennis Williams/Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Mon, 3/21/11, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

From: Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine instructions
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 9:37 AM
I'm making some assumptions here as I
don't have any of the 3 X26c kits
(64.20-64.22). There are 83 kits in the 64.x series and I
think all or most
use the same instructions for "Rebuilt Steel Boxcars" Those
instructions are
correct for 64.1 - 64.15. For succeeding kits that include
the now generic
Rebuilt Steel Boxcars instructions, the Prototype Data
Sheet should contain
an "Additional Modeling Notes" section for your specific
kit. So what's
needed is a combination of the generic instructions and the
PDS covering the
X26c.

I have a large collection of Sunshine instructions and PDSs
but I'm lacking
most of the 64.x series. I have only the instructions &
PDS for kits
64.1-64.15. Fenton (or anyone else), if you have PDSs for
any other 64.x
kits, I'd really like to have a copy. Instructions too if
they are not
"Rebuilt Steel Boxcars".

Thanks,

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Des Norman <desanorman@...>
wrote:



Hello all,
I recently bought 2nd-hand an unstarted Sunshine kit.
It's kit #64.21
for a PRR X26C. Unfortunately there are no instruction
sheets included.

Would anyone have a set of instructions which they
could scan and email,
please? It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
Des Norman
 

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Re: Sunshine instructions

O Fenton Wells
 

Roger that I will try to get them to you today.
Fenton

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:05 AM, desanorman <desanorman@...> wrote:



Hi Fenton,
I've just checked the list of Sunshine kits in the Files section. The ones
listed are all later kits.

The label on the kit I have has;
'PRR X-26C steel rebuild, Superior door, straight panel'

Maybe your one is another variant of the X26C, in which case presumably the
same instructions would do, so please send when convenient.

Regards,
Des

--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I have kit 64.35 a X-26C do you think they are the same? Let me know and
I can scan and send.
Fenton

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Des Norman <desanorman@...> wrote:
Hello all,
I recently bought 2nd-hand an unstarted Sunshine kit. It's kit #64.21
for a PRR X26C. Unfortunately there are no instruction sheets included.

Would anyone have a set of instructions which they could scan and
email, please? It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
Des Norman
--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
@srrfan


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Re: Sergent couplers

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Clark,

I have been using Sergent couplers for several years and am quite pleased with them. Operations so far have only been on a 2 x 8 foot switching layout. But the current much larger layout -- in the design and engineering phase -- will see their use also. I should add that all of my trackwork is within 24-inches of the front of the layout. There is no remote uncoupling required.

I have found that I switch a good deal slower with cars equipped with Sergent couplers than with Kadee couplers. To me, this reduced speed seems more prototypical. Did you find this to be the case also?

Happy Operations,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:39 AM, cepropst@q.com wrote:

Had the opportunity to operate for a bit on a layout using Sergent couplers last Saturday.

The look fantastic! They uncouple much easier than Kadees, but making sure they were in alignment when coupling was frustrating at best for a first time user.

We (traveling car load) decided that if we were building a small layout or detailed models for display they would be worth considering.
Clark Propst



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Sergent couplers

Clark Propst
 

Had the opportunity to operate for a bit on a layout using Sergent couplers last Saturday.

The look fantastic! They uncouple much easier than Kadees, but making sure they were in alignment when coupling was frustrating at best for a first time user.

We (traveling car load) decided that if we were building a small layout or detailed models for display they would be worth considering.
Clark Propst

Re: 40's era tank cars for sulfuric acid loading (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

Early acid cars include variations on the Type 21, pre-war versions from
GATC, and others.

Hydrochloric and sulphuric were used in de-scaling and pickling steel sheet
and plate, and also forge products, so you might see cars hauling it in many,
many locations.

Many acids were shipped in 103-B cars, which had rubber liners, 1% domes, and
top loading/unloading arrangements.

I have only seen one acid car in HO scale, and it is a late (c. 1960?) welded
ICC-103-B-W GATC car from Lambert.

We could very much use an earlier model of the acid cars. Even a conversion
kit would be nice.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
gettheredesigns
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:24 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 40's era tank cars for sulfuric acid loading



Acid tanks have hauled acid in and out of smelters and copper refineries
since the early days, long before air pollution laws. The smelters around
Ducktown, TN went to acid recovery in 1904, because acid was a valuable
by-product of sulfide ores. And also because acid emissions made the
landscape look like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ducktown_train.jpg

Yes, that is Tennesee. Notice the freight car. The area around Wawa, Ontario
looks similar, from the past roasting of iron sulfide ores.

Acids are used as the electrolyte in electrolytic copper refining, which may
or may not be done at the same site as the smelter.

Peace, Rick

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gene"
<bierglaeser@...> wrote:

Among other uses, sulfuric acid is shipped to potato growing regions where
it is sprayed on the vines shortly before mechanical harvesting to kill the
vines. Apparently the harvesting machines work better when the vines are dead
and dried out. Acid from ASARCO in El Paso went to Royalton, Minn. for
example.

Gene Green




Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Re: Sunshine instructions

Jim Hayes
 

I'm making some assumptions here as I don't have any of the 3 X26c kits
(64.20-64.22). There are 83 kits in the 64.x series and I think all or most
use the same instructions for "Rebuilt Steel Boxcars" Those instructions are
correct for 64.1 - 64.15. For succeeding kits that include the now generic
Rebuilt Steel Boxcars instructions, the Prototype Data Sheet should contain
an "Additional Modeling Notes" section for your specific kit. So what's
needed is a combination of the generic instructions and the PDS covering the
X26c.

I have a large collection of Sunshine instructions and PDSs but I'm lacking
most of the 64.x series. I have only the instructions & PDS for kits
64.1-64.15. Fenton (or anyone else), if you have PDSs for any other 64.x
kits, I'd really like to have a copy. Instructions too if they are not
"Rebuilt Steel Boxcars".

Thanks,

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Des Norman <desanorman@...> wrote:



Hello all,
I recently bought 2nd-hand an unstarted Sunshine kit. It's kit #64.21
for a PRR X26C. Unfortunately there are no instruction sheets included.

Would anyone have a set of instructions which they could scan and email,
please? It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
Des Norman


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Re: 40's era tank cars for sulfuric acid loading

gettheredesigns <rick@...>
 

Acid tanks have hauled acid in and out of smelters and copper refineries since the early days, long before air pollution laws. The smelters around Ducktown, TN went to acid recovery in 1904, because acid was a valuable by-product of sulfide ores. And also because acid emissions made the landscape look like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ducktown_train.jpg

Yes, that is Tennesee. Notice the freight car. The area around Wawa, Ontario looks similar, from the past roasting of iron sulfide ores.

Acids are used as the electrolyte in electrolytic copper refining, which may or may not be done at the same site as the smelter.

Peace, Rick

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

Among other uses, sulfuric acid is shipped to potato growing regions where it is sprayed on the vines shortly before mechanical harvesting to kill the vines. Apparently the harvesting machines work better when the vines are dead and dried out. Acid from ASARCO in El Paso went to Royalton, Minn. for example.

Gene Green

Re: Boxcar sides loaded for shipping

Guy Wilber
 

On Mar 20, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Jim Hayes wrote:

This might help a little.
www.sunshinekits.com/suninst/instmk29.pdf

Jim and Tom,

That representation of the box car sides load is no where close to the AAR diagram for that particular load.

Additionally, the mention of steel banding not used until the 1950s is in error as well. Steel banding was used in numerous, if not the majority, of loading diagrams by the late 1920s. That includes Figure 34-A used to secure box car sides within gondolas.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Re: "MACHINERY LOADS FOR GONS" ARTICLE (UNCLASSIFIED)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 21, 2011, at 5:08 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

I remember seeing tarped loads close up, and those I saw were held
in place
with long strips of wood nailed to the deck or floor. The nails
went right
through the wood and tarp. The excess tarp appeared to have been
folded
under the wood so no excess tarp would flap around, maybe?
Elden, I have a number of photos of canvas covered machinery loaded
on flat cars, and what you describe is exactly what they show.

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Foreign Road Stock Cars (was Re: Pacemaker boxcar usageoff-line of NYC)

Bruce Smith
 

FW-8, "Man-o-war" dates back at least into the 20's - a Keystone
article shows a K2s on the point from 1925 (Pacific class for the
non-SPF's on the list), so the symbol appears to have survived for
30 years.
Dave,

Luckily, I said IIRC <VBG> allowing me to blame my memory!

Back to your original question about PRR Middle Division stock train
consists during WWII. While there has been a lot of speculation, and
many comments about stock handling in general, most have missed the
point with respect to the PRR.

PRR Stock shipments did NOT (in general) originate from the range.
Rather, these shipments originated from larger feedlots. The stock
were no longer owned by the farmer, but by the feedlot. Thus, they
were NOT accompanied by drovers and there was no need for the
originating road stock car to continue with the stock, since the
stock would have spent days to weeks in the stockyard.

Given that the PRR had in excess of 2,000 of its own stock cars, the
majority of stock movement during WWII on PRR rails would have been
in K7A and K8 stock cars. Obviously, you should have picked up a
number of the BLI K7A and as for the K8, all I can say is cross your
fingers <VBG> (although a stand in can be had from the TM stock
car). Additional stock cars from connecting roads, especially at the
major stock cities of Chicago, Cincinnati and Saint Louis, were
relatively common. Among those that can be seen in photos on the PRR
were Milwaukee, ATSF, UP, Mopac and Frisco. These cars were likely
"available" and used as needed to fill out PRR stock trains. Stock
cars from non-connecting roads would have been less likely, but
possible (eg SP). Given the issues of WWII, a few oddballs (eg
Rutland) might also be seen.

There was some direct traffic from the range to the PRR as well.
Perhaps most notable would have been cattle from the King Ranch to
their location in southeastern PA. These would have been far less
likely to transfer between cars and thus these trains probably
contained a much higher ratio of western stock cars. These would
have been in addition to the movements detailed in the arranged
freight schedules in the ETTs.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Foreign Road Stock Cars

np328
 

Years ago, while researching data for our group meet which happened to be in Fargo, ND., I came across some paperwork that indicated cars of livestock from the west were rested and more importantly, inspected for disease at Dilworth, MN. Dilworth is a few miles east of Fargo, and site of a good sized NP yard. This would have been the last stop before the St. Paul stockyards. IIRC correctly, this was a govt. mandated inspection.

I also have some data on an NP/UP stock movement from Billings, MT. stock yards to a Los Angeles Armour plant via Butte, MT. Notes on a letter relate that of this new (as of Oct 45) service - the UP is doing very well in balancing out as yesterday they had 98 NP cars and the NP had 80 UP cars.
Jim Dick - St. Paul

--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:
On March 14th I sent the following to the "Railway Bull Shippers" Group that I belong to.

The book that I found is called, "Report of the Federal Trade Commission on the Meat Packing Industry, Part III, Methods of the Five Packers in Controlling the Meat-Packing Industry, June 28, 1919."
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I hope this helps.
- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA