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Re: Sunshine instructions
jerryglow2
They did it to get you practice spelling "nuts and bolts" Blew it that time <g>
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Jerry Glow
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Re: "MACHINERY LOADS FOR GONS" ARTICLE (UNCLASSIFIED)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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Caveats: NONE Thanks, Richard. It is good to hear I was not hallucinating.....at least not at that time.....at least I think so. Yes, yes, the rest of you, I think I am kidding, Sorry, being serious, at one time, I tried to keep track of how many tarped loads I was seeing, and what colors. The majority of tarps were either green or a dark dirt color. I have no idea why, but it seemed those two colors dominated. The wood appeared mostly to be furring strips, maybe, of roughly 1 x 3", unlike the blocking, which was much larger. It would be easy to replicate, even so far as to make pin holes for the nails. While many tarps appear to have covered machinery and manufactured goods, they still used tarps to cover coils of steel, which I would guess was unfinished and being shipped elsewhere for finishing. This is also an easy load I've done. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hendrickson Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:11 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] "MACHINERY LOADS FOR GONS" ARTICLE (UNCLASSIFIED) On Mar 21, 2011, at 5:08 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote: Classification: UNCLASSIFIEDElden, I have a number of photos of canvas covered machinery loaded on flat cars, and what you describe is exactly what they show. Richard Hendrickson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE
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Re: Sunshine instructions
Benjamin Hom
Guys,
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This is a great example of how this list fosters cooperation, but can you take working the details off list? Not everyone cares about the nust snad bolts of this. Ben Hom
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From: O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@gmail.com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 3:39:27 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Sunshine instructions Roger that I'll try to get it over the pond in a few minutes. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:29 PM, desanorman <desanorman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Re: Sergent couplers
Randy Hammill
I've only experimented with them as I'm still building the layout. But yes, I found that you often have to use a good bit of force, or use the uncoupling stick to move them side-to-side a touch to make sure they are coupled.
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I'm on the fence about whether I will use them. Initially I was not planning on sharing any equipment, but now that I'm modeling steam a friend and I will be sharing locomotives at the very least. Since my primary modeling purpose will be operations, we will probably go the Kadee route and clip off the 'air hose'. If we do go with the Sergent's I have also found that the ones I assembled don't work as smoothly as the pre-assembled ones. Randy Hammill http://newbritainstation.com
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Re: Sunshine instructions
Roger that I'll try to get it over the pond in a few minutes.
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:29 PM, desanorman <desanorman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Re: Pacemaker boxcar usage off-line of NYC - 175000 vs 174000
#s
Thanks Jim! That would have been obvious to me if I had checked the
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quantities of cars in the 175025-175999 series... (The 175000-175024 were the PS-1 box cars built in 1954 and delivered in Pacemaker colors with full dimensional data.) Tim O'Connor
The 174000 series cars were "assigned" to Pacemaker service. When they were removed from Pacemaker service, they were renumbered by changing the "4" to a "5". There is at least one picture extant that shows the "5" as obviously the only altered number on the CASO website - a quick and minimal renumbering job if there ever was one!
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Re: Sunshine instructions
Des Norman
Hi Fenton,
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My email address is desanorman@yahoo.co.uk Many thanks, Des
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Re: Iron Horse Models Tank Cars and 10k Car in Particular (UNCLASSIFIED)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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Caveats: NONE Carl; The one I have looks roughly like an AC&F prototype 10k insulated with dome platform. Unfortunately, it has crude details, esp coined manway hatch, no valves, and no brake detail. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:50 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Iron Horse Models Tank Cars and 10k Car in Particular I've reviewed any and all messages on the list(including the most recent set beginning in January pertaining to the 12k cars), but am still confused (or perhaps not well enough informed) on two basic qustions: 1. Do the Iron Horse Models by Precision Scale Models Company tank car models (variously labelled 6k, 8k, 10k, 11+k, 12k, and 16k) represent any specific prototype(s). 2. What specific prototype(s)--if any--does the Iron Horse 10k tank car represent. Any assistance, on or off list, will be appreciated. Best Wishes--CARL Carl G. Camann Atlanta, Georgia Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE
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Re: Pacemaker boxcar usage off-line of NYC
Jim
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Don't forget the spectacular mile-long Alfred H. Smith bridge below Albany; the massive double track steel truss at Kingston (imported by Overland in brass); the amazing 3-level flyover bridges at Fuller Station NY and the twin steel trestles over the gorge at Fuller just a mile or so to the south. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&;source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=selkirk+NY&aq=&sll=37.926868,-95.712891&sspn=58.180705,103.183594&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Selkirk,+Albany,+New+York&ll=42.725523,-73.960299&spn=0.003476,0.008342&t=k&z=18 People do model the NYC -- I think Jim Six and others are fans of NYC flat land railroading in Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. And there are quite a few fans here in New England where we still call it the "Boston & Albany". Tim O'Connor ---------------------------------------------------
Also, it's hard to model 2 or 4 track mainline action in a reasonable space! It's not "quaint". No mountains. What "spectacular" scenery there is consists of massive items like a very large bridge across the wide and deep Niagara River gorge just north of the Falls etc.
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Re: Sergent couplers
Clark Propst
Yes, If you want to slow things down those couplers will do the job.
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Clark
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Re: Sunshine instructions
Des, send me your email so I can email the scans to you.
Fenton On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:05 AM, desanorman <desanorman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Iron Horse Models Tank Cars and 10k Car in Particular
Carl
I've reviewed any and all messages on the list(including the most recent set beginning in January pertaining to the 12k cars), but am still confused (or perhaps not well enough informed) on two basic qustions:
1. Do the Iron Horse Models by Precision Scale Models Company tank car models (variously labelled 6k, 8k, 10k, 11+k, 12k, and 16k) represent any specific prototype(s). 2. What specific prototype(s)--if any--does the Iron Horse 10k tank car represent. Any assistance, on or off list, will be appreciated. Best Wishes--CARL Carl G. Camann Atlanta, Georgia
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Re: Sunshine instructions
Dennis Williams
Jim.
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I do believe I may have these, go figure. Are they still needed?? Dennis Williams/Owner www.resinbuilders4u.com
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Re: Sunshine instructions
Roger that I will try to get them to you today.
Fenton On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:05 AM, desanorman <desanorman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Re: Sergent couplers
William Keene <wakeene@...>
Clark,
I have been using Sergent couplers for several years and am quite pleased with them. Operations so far have only been on a 2 x 8 foot switching layout. But the current much larger layout -- in the design and engineering phase -- will see their use also. I should add that all of my trackwork is within 24-inches of the front of the layout. There is no remote uncoupling required. I have found that I switch a good deal slower with cars equipped with Sergent couplers than with Kadee couplers. To me, this reduced speed seems more prototypical. Did you find this to be the case also? Happy Operations, Bill Keene Irvine, CA On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:39 AM, cepropst@q.com wrote: Had the opportunity to operate for a bit on a layout using Sergent couplers last Saturday. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Sergent couplers
Clark Propst
Had the opportunity to operate for a bit on a layout using Sergent couplers last Saturday.
The look fantastic! They uncouple much easier than Kadees, but making sure they were in alignment when coupling was frustrating at best for a first time user. We (traveling car load) decided that if we were building a small layout or detailed models for display they would be worth considering. Clark Propst
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Re: 40's era tank cars for sulfuric acid loading (UNCLASSIFIED)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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Caveats: NONE Guys; Early acid cars include variations on the Type 21, pre-war versions from GATC, and others. Hydrochloric and sulphuric were used in de-scaling and pickling steel sheet and plate, and also forge products, so you might see cars hauling it in many, many locations. Many acids were shipped in 103-B cars, which had rubber liners, 1% domes, and top loading/unloading arrangements. I have only seen one acid car in HO scale, and it is a late (c. 1960?) welded ICC-103-B-W GATC car from Lambert. We could very much use an earlier model of the acid cars. Even a conversion kit would be nice. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gettheredesigns Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:24 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: 40's era tank cars for sulfuric acid loading Acid tanks have hauled acid in and out of smelters and copper refineries since the early days, long before air pollution laws. The smelters around Ducktown, TN went to acid recovery in 1904, because acid was a valuable by-product of sulfide ores. And also because acid emissions made the landscape look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ducktown_train.jpg Yes, that is Tennesee. Notice the freight car. The area around Wawa, Ontario looks similar, from the past roasting of iron sulfide ores. Acids are used as the electrolyte in electrolytic copper refining, which may or may not be done at the same site as the smelter. Peace, Rick --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote: it is sprayed on the vines shortly before mechanical harvesting to kill the vines. Apparently the harvesting machines work better when the vines are dead and dried out. Acid from ASARCO in El Paso went to Royalton, Minn. for example.
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Re: Sunshine instructions
Jim Hayes
I'm making some assumptions here as I don't have any of the 3 X26c kits
(64.20-64.22). There are 83 kits in the 64.x series and I think all or most use the same instructions for "Rebuilt Steel Boxcars" Those instructions are correct for 64.1 - 64.15. For succeeding kits that include the now generic Rebuilt Steel Boxcars instructions, the Prototype Data Sheet should contain an "Additional Modeling Notes" section for your specific kit. So what's needed is a combination of the generic instructions and the PDS covering the X26c. I have a large collection of Sunshine instructions and PDSs but I'm lacking most of the 64.x series. I have only the instructions & PDS for kits 64.1-64.15. Fenton (or anyone else), if you have PDSs for any other 64.x kits, I'd really like to have a copy. Instructions too if they are not "Rebuilt Steel Boxcars". Thanks, Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Des Norman <desanorman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Re: 40's era tank cars for sulfuric acid loading
gettheredesigns <rick@...>
Acid tanks have hauled acid in and out of smelters and copper refineries since the early days, long before air pollution laws. The smelters around Ducktown, TN went to acid recovery in 1904, because acid was a valuable by-product of sulfide ores. And also because acid emissions made the landscape look like this:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ducktown_train.jpg Yes, that is Tennesee. Notice the freight car. The area around Wawa, Ontario looks similar, from the past roasting of iron sulfide ores. Acids are used as the electrolyte in electrolytic copper refining, which may or may not be done at the same site as the smelter. Peace, Rick
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Re: Boxcar sides loaded for shipping
Guy Wilber
On Mar 20, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Jim Hayes wrote:
This might help a little. Jim and Tom, That representation of the box car sides load is no where close to the AAR diagram for that particular load. Additionally, the mention of steel banding not used until the 1950s is in error as well. Steel banding was used in numerous, if not the majority, of loading diagrams by the late 1920s. That includes Figure 34-A used to secure box car sides within gondolas. Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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