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Goose Island, Naperville and all that

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Sad news this AM in the business world: Goose Island Brewing has been sold to Anheuser-Busch, which in turn is now owned by Belgium's massive InBev concern.
Then again, we aren't meeting in Naperville this fall anyway . . . but Goose Island is an institution in the Chicago area, so we can only hope InBev has the sense to leave Goose Island's brewing formulas alone. Yeah, I know, if wishes were horses . . .

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: I got a look at the new Atlas reefer ..

Richard Orr <SUVCWORR@...>
 

Actually, the Barrett tank cars only shipped to distributors March 8th and
to dealers approximately 2 weeks ago.
The reefers shipped last September. Atlas has been months behind their
project schedule.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] I got a look at the new Atlas reefer ..

Doug Kinder wrote:
"With the Swift markings it really looks pretty good also there 
Barrett tank car any one else see these and does anyone have any 
thoughts on accuracy and fidelity of detail.

Bruce Smith replied:
"New? Aren't these the ones that have been out for years (since
2003)?"

The last release of the Swift reefer was in February 2010, while the Barrett

tank car was in July 2010.
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho36woodreefer6.htm
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho11000tanks5.htm


Ben Hom


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Re: Steam era freight yards

Aley, Jeff A
 

MikeD,

Indeed, BOTH moderators have tried to upload the photo (both MikeB and me).

I will investigate further, but probably not until later this week.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of MDelvec952@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:25 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Steam era freight yards




Embarassingly, I can't get yahoogroups to accep the image file. I've tried changing formats, reducing the file size, etc., and it won't accept it. The moderator also tried.

Last night I sent a large image file to the www.steamfreightcars.com for display, and so far no change has been made. This site hasn't had much recent activity so the moderator may not be looking at it often.

The photo is a bit off-topic for the EL list, but I'll put it there before long; there are two DL&W cars hiding among the hundred or so in view.

....Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: wjimwolf <wjimwolf@...<mailto:wjimwolf%40yahoo.com>>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 1:14 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Steam era freight yards

Is this photo going to be posted? I have much the same interest as Mike in viewing it.

Jim Wolf

--- In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, MDelvec952 <MDelvec952@...> wrote:



The recent plea for more wartime photography reminded me of a negative I own where I'd love to know the location. The other images on these strips of 35mm are in the Freehold area and elsehwere on the PRR in the 1940s. None are marked for date and location; one uncut roll was 2/3rds shot at the 1939 World's Fair, mostly Pennsy stuff.

Posted in an STMFC album called "Steam era freight yards," this image shows a yard full of cars along a river. It's likely in the New Jersey / Pennsylvania area based on the frames on the rest of the roll.

Based on the paint schemes in the yard, I'm guessing the image was made during wartime or later 1940s. Anyone more versed in freight car paint schemes and eras care to guess the year? Most importantly I'd love to know the location.

The original is 35 mm scanned so that we can see every grain. The resolution is what it is. The image is pending moderator's approval.

Thanks in advance ....Mike Del Vecchio



Re: Steam era freight yards

MDelvec952
 

Embarassingly, I can't get yahoogroups to accep the image file. I've tried changing formats, reducing the file size, etc., and it won't accept it. The moderator also tried.

Last night I sent a large image file to the www.steamfreightcars.com for display, and so far no change has been made. This site hasn't had much recent activity so the moderator may not be looking at it often.

The photo is a bit off-topic for the EL list, but I'll put it there before long; there are two DL&W cars hiding among the hundred or so in view.

....Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: wjimwolf <wjimwolf@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 1:14 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Steam era freight yards




Is this photo going to be posted? I have much the same interest as Mike in viewing it.

Jim Wolf

--- In STMFC@..., MDelvec952 <MDelvec952@...> wrote:



The recent plea for more wartime photography reminded me of a negative I own where I'd love to know the location. The other images on these strips of 35mm are in the Freehold area and elsehwere on the PRR in the 1940s. None are marked for date and location; one uncut roll was 2/3rds shot at the 1939 World's Fair, mostly Pennsy stuff.

Posted in an STMFC album called "Steam era freight yards," this image shows a yard full of cars along a river. It's likely in the New Jersey / Pennsylvania area based on the frames on the rest of the roll.

Based on the paint schemes in the yard, I'm guessing the image was made during wartime or later 1940s. Anyone more versed in freight car paint schemes and eras care to guess the year? Most importantly I'd love to know the location.

The original is 35 mm scanned so that we can see every grain. The resolution is what it is. The image is pending moderator's approval.

Thanks in advance ....Mike Del Vecchio

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Gary Bechdol please contact me

Jim King
 

Gary,



Please contact me re: your purchased kits at the Savannah RPM meet this past
weekend.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Re: I got a look at the new Atlas reefer ..

Benjamin Hom
 

Doug Kinder wrote:
"With the Swift markings it really looks pretty good also there 
Barrett tank car any one else see these and does anyone have any 
thoughts on accuracy and fidelity of detail.

Bruce Smith replied:
"New? Aren't these the ones that have been out for years (since
2003)?"

The last release of the Swift reefer was in February 2010, while the Barrett
tank car was in July 2010.
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho36woodreefer6.htm
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho11000tanks5.htm


Ben Hom


Re: I got a look at the new Atlas reefer ..

Bruce Smith
 

Doug,

New? Aren't these the ones that have been out for years (since 2003)? Their deficiencies and positives are well known and commented upon in this group at length.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:11 AM, dakkinder wrote:

With the Swift markings it really looks pretty good also there Barrett tank car any one else see these and does anyone have any thoughts on accuracy and fidelity of detail .
Doug Kinder
Thanks dakkinder@...



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RPM East was RE: Savannah RPM

Richard Orr <SUVCWORR@...>
 

To respond to Bill Welch's request

There were 165+ attendees at the RPM East held in Greensburg, PA this year.
Last count I heard for models on display was slightly over 400. There was a
wide range of clinics most very informative and some just fun. Topics
included things such as using Decoder Pro, cars in dedicated service for the
transportation of raw hides, B&O hoppers 1919-1963, researching the PRR
Irwin station using a variety of post cards, old municipal maps and other
materials generally not thought of as being useful, "modern" iced reefers,
layout design from prototype roads, farm tractors from the early 1900's to
the early 1960's, a video on the construction of an MDT reefer shot live in
1953, and many others. Total number of clinics was in excess of 30 and
about 2 dozen venders.

Next year the RPM East will be held in Valley Forge the last full weekend of
March

Rich Orr


I got a look at the new Atlas reefer ..

dakkinder
 

With the Swift markings it really looks pretty good also there Barrett tank car any one else see these and does anyone have any thoughts on accuracy and fidelity of detail .
Doug Kinder
Thanks dakkinder@...


Re: Steam era freight yards

Jim Wolf
 

Is this photo going to be posted? I have much the same interest as Mike in viewing it.

Jim Wolf

--- In STMFC@..., MDelvec952 <MDelvec952@...> wrote:



The recent plea for more wartime photography reminded me of a negative I own where I'd love to know the location. The other images on these strips of 35mm are in the Freehold area and elsehwere on the PRR in the 1940s. None are marked for date and location; one uncut roll was 2/3rds shot at the 1939 World's Fair, mostly Pennsy stuff.

Posted in an STMFC album called "Steam era freight yards," this image shows a yard full of cars along a river. It's likely in the New Jersey / Pennsylvania area based on the frames on the rest of the roll.

Based on the paint schemes in the yard, I'm guessing the image was made during wartime or later 1940s. Anyone more versed in freight car paint schemes and eras care to guess the year? Most importantly I'd love to know the location.

The original is 35 mm scanned so that we can see every grain. The resolution is what it is. The image is pending moderator's approval.

Thanks in advance ....Mike Del Vecchio

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Top PRR classes? Missing web site

Brian Carlson
 

Dean, that was Jerry Britton's Keystone crossing http://kc.pennsyrr.com/ I
don't see the database you are asking for on a quick glance but it could
still be there.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dean
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Top PRR classes? Missing web site





There was a "Top PRR classes" web site, where you could select a year and
get a listing of the top classes of cars for that year, or select only gons
or box cars for that year... I thought that was a great tool, but I can't
find it anymore.
Is this gone for good? I hoped it was temporary, but it's been too long.

Dean Payne


Top PRR classes? Missing web site

Dean Payne
 

There was a "Top PRR classes" web site, where you could select a year and get a listing of the top classes of cars for that year, or select only gons or box cars for that year... I thought that was a great tool, but I can't find it anymore.
Is this gone for good? I hoped it was temporary, but it's been too long.

Dean Payne


2011 Savannah Meet photos posted

seaboard_1966
 

This past weekend the 11th Annual Savannah RPM meet was held. We had about 65 or so attendees and over 400 models on display as well. Our door prize tables runeth over. For the first time ever we had to use two tables to hold the door prizes.

Anyhow, this link will take you to my photobucket site. I have uploaded some photos and have plenty more to do. Some have comments, lots don’t. There are some dupes or near dupes and I need to cull those out. Over time I will take care of these situations. Until then, I ask that enjoy what I have posted at http://s1187.photobucket.com/home/salguy1

Feel free to send comments to me at dblake7@...

Denis Blake

2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797


Re: 3:1 Reefer to Reefers to Boxcar ratio

lstt100
 

Dan,

Fantastic data. For an eastern WWII modeler, it does raise a few questions:

1) You wrote "Of the total refrigerator cars moving through Ogden, Salt Lake, El Paso, Belen and Albuquerque, the loaded cars increased from 12.2 percent in 1942 to approximately 50 percent in 1945." Is this referring to WB reefer movements? I would think EB reefer movements would be nearly 100% loaded at these locations?
Yes this is referring to the westbound movement. The eastbound movement was heavily loaded, however, keep in mind, some perishable from the Southeast, East and Northeast was moving westbound. Thus using the "total" to determine total eastbound/westbound movement does not give a complete picture.


2) Is there a public or published source of the more detailed data necessary to derive these numbers?
No published source, yet. I've been spending a significant part of the past 10 years gathering the information about the ARA/ICC/AAR Car Service Division. I'm happy to quote specific information, but a complete rundown would exhaust the scope of the group. Much of the data has come from my years working in the industry and Car Service publications I saved while working.

3) Were any other reefers included in the car service orders in effect during WWII other than PFE and SFRD?
None, except on Service Order 822 covering the loading to the Pacific Northwest area and this only covered from Sept 1, 1948 until June 30, 1949. After that date, the movement was covered under tariff and statistics were not kept for "all" 3:1 or 2:1 movements.

If the data in (1) is for WB reefers, and EB reefers were nearly 100% loaded through the same locations, then with only 25% of western reefer movements empty, and the fact that 35.1% of all reefer miles were empty, then eastern empty reefer miles must have remained close to the pre-service order, 1942 empty mileage percentage of 43.8%.
The percentage quoted is the "total" for the US railroads. Thus some areas of the country could have had more loaded vs empty mileage, but the overall US average was as stated.

I know Richard is looking for hard facts - but I suspect that eastern 3:1 reefer loadings may not have been that common, for the simple reason that there were LOTS of available MTY XM's on the east coast during WWII, and from the east coast the percentage of merchandise loads destined to the specific locations defined in the car service order would be a low probability - better for an agent/yard master to just grab an MTY XM than to find the correct 2 or 3 MTY reefers to load for the specified destination.
There were NOT lots of available mty XM's on the east coast during WWII. ICC Service Orders, Quota Orders and Car Service Division Special Car Orders were redirecting freight cars on a daily basis and the use of the refrigerator cars was an effort to maximize car loading and minimize empty mileage. Prior to WWII much of the traffic in the US was moving west to east towards the population centers. During WWII traffic patterns changed.

I would also theorize that much of the 3:1 loading was occurring in the midwest, since that region had a significant imbalance of outbound loads compared to inbound loads.
A significant part of the 3:1 loading was being done in the Midwest, but not all. Much of the loading was magazines, phone books, printed material and thru LCL cars. I cannot quote a percentage.

Dan Holbrook


Savannah RPM

Bill Welch
 

I wanted to say that I thought the Savannah event was very
enjoyable, and especially enjoyed the fact that "Ya'll" RR'ing was
spoken there. I appreciated being able to see some friend form the
Jacksonville area and meet more people from the Tampa Bay area, as
well as meet new friends generally. I miss very much my friends from
the Pennsylvania meeting of the same weekend, but know I will see
many in October at the new venue and at Cocoa Beach.

Very fine models here and I purchased both of Jim Kings new kits. The
SAL vent was delayed.

Anyone care to comment on the other event of the weekend?

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: B&O circle T

rwitt_2000
 

Jim Mischke wrote:


Tis' factual. I have a whole B&O drawing devoted to these circled
letters and their meaning.

Circle T means clean and fit for LCL service.

What I now find interesting is I would observe many class M-26 boxcars
in the mid-1960s recently shopped at Washington Indiana Shops stenciled
with the circle T. Indirectly it implies that the original roofs on
these B&O cars remained water tight contrary to the experiences on other
railroads. Many cars would have an old inspection card noting they were
suitable for class A loading.

Bob Witt


Re: Super Glue

rwitt_2000
 

Bill Welch wrote:

The inventor of Super Glue died today at the age of 94.
That would be Harry Wesley Coover.

I saw the headline also and recalled thatin the late 1960s, I assembled
an old Red Ball freight dock hoist and their overhead traveling crane,
both cast metal, using Eastman 910. It truly was a miracle bonding
agent. Both models are packed away someplace so I don't know if they are
still assembled.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Super Glue

Bill Welch
 

The inventor of Super Glue died today at the age of 94.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Spring Mills Depot EXLUSIVE M53 in the "Mid 1955 - Late 1957 ...

WaltGCox@...
 

Thanks,I'll order the one with the circle T and reporting marks. Walt

In a message dated 3/28/2011 6:03:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jmischke@... writes:

B&O wagontop boxcars in this scheme could be seen anywhere in general
merchandise service. Including Canada for your pike.

In Canada, even with a circle T, which means it is clean and fit for LCL
(B&O Time Saver)service. There were far, far more B&O boxcars with the
circle T than actually in LCL service


Photos of latest Tahoe Model Works truck

Andy Carlson
 

Brian will probably announce his new truck shortly, but for those who wish to
view a close-up photo, go to Ebay # 200591849833.

It is a late 19th century 5' wheelbase diamond arch bar 20 ton truck. Not too
useful for our era of interest, but it is another fine example of what Brian can
do with plastic.
-Andy Carlson

98321 - 98340 of 196819