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Re: Baltimore and Ohio hopper cars...

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Lucas asked:
"I've been told on this list that B&O hopper cars had Duryea draft gear. What
online photos I can find confirm this, except for this car painted up as B&O
829839 on the Conway Scenic at North Conway, NH--

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2176474

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2190867

This car appears to have conventional draft gear.

Was this a B&O car, or is it a 12" = 1' reproduction using another road's car?"

Later classes of B&O offset hopper cars (N-41, N-44 twins; W-8, W-9 triples) did
not have Duryea cushion underframes.  However, in the case of this car, the car
number appears to be bogus as it doesn't fall inside any pre-1964 B&O hopper
number series.  The closest number series is 829300-829783, Class N-41a, 484
ex-LNE cars acquired in 1963.

As Rich Orr suggested, see my article in the May/June 2009 issue of The B&O
Modeler for more information on the B&O hopper fleet.


Ben Hom


Re: Baltimore and Ohio hopper cars...

SUVCWORR@...
 

See Ben Hom's article in the B&O Modeler Vol 2 No 3 May'June 2006 available from the B&O Historical Society on CD.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 12:59 am
Subject: [STMFC] Baltimore and Ohio hopper cars...


I've been told on this list that B&O hopper cars had Duryea draft gear. What
online photos I can find confirm this, except for this car painted up as B&O
829839 on the Conway Scenic at North Conway, NH--

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2176474

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2190867

This car appears to have conventional draft gear.

Was this a B&O car, or is it a 12" = 1' reproduction using another road's car?

Steve Lucas.







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Baltimore and Ohio hopper cars...

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I've been told on this list that B&O hopper cars had Duryea draft gear. What online photos I can find confirm this, except for this car painted up as B&O 829839 on the Conway Scenic at North Conway, NH--

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2176474

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2190867

This car appears to have conventional draft gear.

Was this a B&O car, or is it a 12" = 1' reproduction using another road's car?

Steve Lucas.


Re: Auto Haulers

Larry Wolohon
 

This is getting off topic but the early 1947 Fords were identical to the 1946's. This is per my copy of the 1941 - 48 Fords put out by the Early Ford V-8 Club. So these Ford are either 1946's or very early 1947's. The 1947's were a transitional year. The early 1947's were identical to the 1946's then they got the round parking lights under the headlights from trucks probably as a cost reduction, with no hood ornament. The last 1947's received hood ornaments like the 1948 Fords.

Larry Wolohon/owner of 1941 & 1948 Fords

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From: Rhbale@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2011 9:22:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Auto Haulers






You are looking at 1946 Fords. The rectangular parking lights inboard of
the headlights were the same in 1942 and 1946. As Richard Hendrickson has
pointed out, the 1947 Fords were virtually identical, except that the parking
lights became round and smaller, and were positioned just below the
headlights. The two short chrome strips on the trunk were also new for 1946 but I
don't know with certainty if they were continued in '47.

Richard Bale
( http://www.mrhmag.comIn a message dated 4/2/2011 11:31:55 A.M. Pacific
Daylight Time, rhendrickson@... writes: On Apr 2, 2011, at 7:00 AM,
Mark M wrote:> Found an interesting photo of a car hauler in the background
is a > host of freight cars.>> )

In a message dated 4/2/2011 11:31:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rhendrickson@... writes:

On Apr 2, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Mark M wrote:

Found an interesting photo of a car hauler in the background is a
host of freight cars.

_ http://www.flickr.com/photos/brimen/5054484296/in/_
( http://www.flickr.com/photos/brimen/5054484296/in/ ) _
set-72157625100884778/lightbox/
Mark, just for the record, those are postwar Fords, probably '46
models or maybe the nearly identical '47s.

Richard Hendrickson

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_ ( http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/ )


Re: Steam era freight yards, take II

Jim Pickett
 

I hurriedly stitched them together for you. Forgive me for the liberty.

 
Jim Pickett







Tom Madden wrote: On Veterans Day 1960 I took a series of three shots of
the PRR Phillipsburg facilities from across the river just south of
Easton. A couple of years ago I assembled them into a panoramic view of
questionable quality - at least, as best as I could. When taking the
photos I neglected to overlap the left and center ones:

http://www.pullmanproject.com/Phillipsburg.jpg



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Re: Murphy

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

About a month ago, there was a posting from Tony Thompson about "Murphy" with the comment -

As far as Richard Hendrickson and I have ever been able to determine, the term (Murphy) refers back to an invention of interlocking metal parts which made the combination water-tight, or approximately so. Thus the term could be applied to any component which employed that arrangement. One supposes that "Murphy" refers to the inventor, rather than to the well- known "Murphy's Law."

I've found a piece in the Railway Mechanical Engineer of 1916 referring to Charles Murphy, CB&Q's tin shop foreman at Aurora, who had devised a new roof using steel sheets taken from the roofs of destroyed cars. The article gave a description of how the roof was constructed consisting of five parts: the roof sheets, transverse and center cover caps, eave flashings and the roof clips, with crimped edges to interlock the pieces.

The article comments that the roof was simple in construction, easy to make, flexible and waterproof. It permitted a large amount of wearing of the car without straining the sheets nor opening up holes for water to leak through. There were no sharp corners nor crevices to collect dirt and hold moisture. Air could circulate freely to all parts of the sheets, keeping them in a dry state, and the sizes of the roof sheets and center cover caps were selected so that old roof sheets could be cut down, recrimped and re-used.

Whether this is THE Murphy, I've no idea but if anyone wants a copy of the full article, contact me off list.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


Re: The B&O Modeler - March/April 2011

bdg1210 <Bruce_Griffin@...>
 

Group,

For full disclosure, the back issues are in the works and we were working to get caught up before now, but ran out of time. Bob's article, while not strictly prototypical, was so good, I could not hold it any longer. I had it last April, but could not get it published in time. I love the creativity and the great modeling.

Bill,

If you want more info and photos for the M-15-l or m, contact me directly and I can send some prototype and model photos (I have built about 10 of the F&C kits but have not had time to write it up). We would really appreciate you writing it up for us. The lack of prototype modeling articles is because we don't get enough of them. If anyone is willing to model and write, we are willing to assist with the research. The B&O HS Archives is always willing to help authors (non-memberrs included) with their work, just ask and give credit in your writing.

Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Summerfield, NC

--- In STMFC@..., bill davis <billcheri72@...> wrote:

Hi All,
After looking at the Mar Apr issue. The hopper looks like something to add to my project list.I like the early boxcar M-15 class wagon top cars too but most articles are about the M-53 class. I have the RPC on the wagon top cars.
BILL

--- On Sat, 4/2/11, moonmuln <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

From: moonmuln <jack.f.mullen@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: The B&O Modeler - March/April 2011
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 10:47 AM







 









Ben, Bob Chapman, and all involved with B&O Modeler,



Thanks for your efforts producing this truly First class publication.



The timeliness of the material is evident.



Jack



--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@> wrote:

Bill Davis asked:
"Just out of curiosity what happened to vol 7 #1??
did I miss it or was it skipped?"
Bill, the September/October 2010, November/December 2010, and January/February
2011 issues are still forthcoming and are in development.  We decided to publish
the latest issue under the March/April 2011 cover date based on the material
presented in the lead article.  Enjoy!
Ben Hom
Associate Editor, The B&O Modeler
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Re: Auto Haulers

Rhbale@...
 

You are looking at 1946 Fords. The rectangular parking lights inboard of
the headlights were the same in 1942 and 1946. As Richard Hendrickson has
pointed out, the 1947 Fords were virtually identical, except that the parking
lights became round and smaller, and were positioned just below the
headlights. The two short chrome strips on the trunk were also new for 1946 but I
don't know with certainty if they were continued in '47.

Richard Bale
(http://www.mrhmag.comIn a message dated 4/2/2011 11:31:55 A.M. Pacific
Daylight Time, rhendrickson@... writes: On Apr 2, 2011, at 7:00 AM,
Mark M wrote:> Found an interesting photo of a car hauler in the background
is a > host of freight cars.>> )

In a message dated 4/2/2011 11:31:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rhendrickson@... writes:




On Apr 2, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Mark M wrote:

Found an interesting photo of a car hauler in the background is a
host of freight cars.





_http://www.flickr.com/photos/brimen/5054484296/in/_
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/brimen/5054484296/in/) _
set-72157625100884778/lightbox/
Mark, just for the record, those are postwar Fords, probably '46
models or maybe the nearly identical '47s.

Richard Hendrickson

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_ (http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/)


Re: Intermountain SP T&NO B-50-26 roof

WaltGCox@...
 

Thanks Jim & Ed, I found the doors I was looking for using your link. Walt

In a message dated 3/31/2011 10:23:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hawk0621@... writes:





On Mar 31, 2011, at 8:48 PM, _WaltGCox@... (mailto:WaltGCox@...)
wrote:

I am looking for some wide seam doors and tried to Google" Southwest
models" but the closest hit was for a 737 wrapped in a decal of a
(female)
model. Would anyone have their website or more of the company name?
Walt,
Southwest Scale Productions at _http://www.southwestscale.com/_
(http://www.southwestscale.com/)
Ed Hawkins

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Re: Auto Haulers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 2, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Mark M wrote:

Found an interesting photo of a car hauler in the background is a
host of freight cars.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/brimen/5054484296/in/
set-72157625100884778/lightbox/
Mark, just for the record, those are postwar Fords, probably '46
models or maybe the nearly identical '47s.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Photos of latest Tahoe Model Works truck

brianleppert@att.net
 

I agree. I really wish Brian would have tooled dummy leaf springs that would fit over the coil springs (it looks like a peg sized to fit between the coils would give them a substantial mounting). That would make them useful on cabooses well after WWII.

How 'bout it Brian? Or, alternately, the same trucks with leaf instead of coil springs?

Dennis
Dennis, I don't have a MUD frame, so can't mold small parts. Doing the same truck but with leaf springs would be freelanced, and I don't want to do foobies--that gets too much criticism nowdays.

But Dennis, since you can do tooling and have a truck mold, why don't you do it? <vbg>

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: The B&O Modeler - March/April 2011

bill davis <billcheri72@...>
 

Hi All,
After looking at the Mar Apr issue. The hopper looks like something to add to my project list.I like the early boxcar M-15 class wagon top cars too but most articles are about the M-53 class. I have the RPC on the wagon top cars.
BILL

--- On Sat, 4/2/11, moonmuln <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

From: moonmuln <jack.f.mullen@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: The B&O Modeler - March/April 2011
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 10:47 AM







 









Ben, Bob Chapman, and all involved with B&O Modeler,



Thanks for your efforts producing this truly First class publication.



The timeliness of the material is evident.



Jack



--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bill Davis asked:
"Just out of curiosity what happened to vol 7 #1??
did I miss it or was it skipped?"
Bill, the September/October 2010, November/December 2010, and January/February
2011 issues are still forthcoming and are in development.  We decided to publish
the latest issue under the March/April 2011 cover date based on the material
presented in the lead article.  Enjoy!
Ben Hom
Associate Editor, The B&O Modeler
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Re: The B&O Modeler - March/April 2011

Jack Mullen
 

Ben, Bob Chapman, and all involved with B&O Modeler,

Thanks for your efforts producing this truly First class publication.

The timeliness of the material is evident.

Jack

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bill Davis asked:
"Just out of curiosity what happened to vol 7 #1??
did I miss it or was it skipped?"

Bill, the September/October 2010, November/December 2010, and January/February
2011 issues are still forthcoming and are in development.  We decided to publish
the latest issue under the March/April 2011 cover date based on the material
presented in the lead article.  Enjoy!


Ben Hom
Associate Editor, The B&O Modeler

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Re: Foreign Road Stock Cars

rwitt_2000
 

Douglas Harding wrote:

Randy I took a look at your website listing for
http://www.prrfreight.com/FW-8.htm



It opens in Firefox 3.6, but it was not until I opened it in Internet
Explorer that I realized all the blank boxes I saw in Firefox were
supposed
to contain information about times, locations, etc. And when clicking
on
underlined text while open in IE it took me to additional information
about
the stockpens, ie how many, etc. Not another table with blank boxes.
But I
was only able to see text using IE.



I tried it in Chrome as well, same results as in Firefox, the page
opens,
but the information is not there to be seen. Basically anything that
is in
black font in IE is not visible in Firefox or Chrome. Only the dark
red
underlined text is visible in the other browsers.



However if I click and scroll over the boxes, text will appear, but
disappears the minute I click anywhere on the page.



I tried this on two different computers, same results. Apparently your
choice of font or font color is not visible in other browsers.

===============================

A work-around is to copy and paste the web page into a word processing
document. All the text then can be viewed.
I did this on a Mac via Firefox (3.6.15) and Office 2004.

Bob Witt


Re: The B&O Modeler - March/April 2011

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Davis asked:
"Just out of curiosity what happened to vol 7 #1??
did I miss it or was it skipped?"

Bill, the September/October 2010, November/December 2010, and January/February
2011 issues are still forthcoming and are in development.  We decided to publish
the latest issue under the March/April 2011 cover date based on the material
presented in the lead article.  Enjoy!


Ben Hom
Associate Editor, The B&O Modeler

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Re: The B&O Modeler - March/April 2011

bill davis <billcheri72@...>
 

Just out of curiosity what happened to vol 7 #1??
did I miss it or was it skipped?
BILL

--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Subject: [STMFC] The B&O Modeler - March/April 2011
To: Baltimore_and_Ohio@..., stmfc@...
Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 9:49 AM







 









The March/April 2011 issue of The B&O Modeler is posted at

http://borhs.org/ModelerMag/index.html

 

Articles include:

Modeling B&O’s Class N-0 Wagon Top Hopper (Bob Chapman)

Class N-0 Wagon Top Hopper Postscript: Class N-31 Covered Hopper and Class I-5a

Caboose (Ben Hom)

The Don Adams Collection - Some Models of Historic B&O Equipment (John

Teichmoeller)



Enjoy!



Ben Hom

Associate Editor, The B&O Modeler




















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The B&O Modeler - March/April 2011

Benjamin Hom
 

The March/April 2011 issue of The B&O Modeler is posted at
http://borhs.org/ModelerMag/index.html
 
Articles include:
Modeling B&O’s Class N-0 Wagon Top Hopper (Bob Chapman)
Class N-0 Wagon Top Hopper Postscript: Class N-31 Covered Hopper and Class I-5a
Caboose (Ben Hom)
The Don Adams Collection - Some Models of Historic B&O Equipment (John
Teichmoeller)

Enjoy!


Ben Hom
Associate Editor, The B&O Modeler


Auto Haulers

Mark
 

Found an interesting photo of a car hauler in the background is a host of freight cars.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/brimen/5054484296/in/set-72157625100884778/lightbox/

Mark Morgan


Re: Foreign Road Stock Cars

lstt100
 

I don't understand these statements. The minimum resting time
was 5 hours, and animals could not be reloaded into dirty cars or with
old bedding. If I understand the rules correctly, there was no
alternative to cleaned and rebedded cars. I am not aware that the
livestock rules were waived during World War II. But if someone has
contrary info, I'd like to hear it.

Tony Thompson
Tony,

Steve Haas is correct. The Car Service and ODT struggled everywhere to maximize use of the US freight car fleet. This is why the lowest car service compliance in history was during WWII. At many livestock unloading/reloading terminals a "pool" of sorts was established allowing the use of any stock car to be loaded anywhere regardless of ownership. The main reason for this was to minimize switching of cars to get them returned to their owners.

Yes, the livestock rules were complied with, cleaning of cars and new bedding was added, but without regard to who owned the cars.

During my first three years in the railroad industry I had the "honor" of filling in for the local agent whos territory covered two companies stock yards. I didn't mind the job, just didn't like getting dead livestock chained up and pulled to the chute with the Massey Ferguson to pull them out of the car.

Dan Holbrook


Re: Photos of latest Tahoe Model Works truck

gary laakso
 

Cascade Models was to heve been the importer of the models but rejected them for the 2 reasons you mentioned. They out weigh my Westerfield and Funaro versions of these truss rod boxcars by about 3 times, so they need good trucks like those from Tahoe.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 4/1/2011 10:54:30 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Photos of latest Tahoe Model Works truck



Brian Leppert wrote

Tahoe Model Works now has available for sale an HO scale
5' wheelbase arch bar freight car truck.
Brian

Very interesting -- It just so happens that TODAY I received two
models from a friend to sell for him, Nickel Plate Products models
of Great Northern truss rod box cars, BEAUTIFUL models, with this
note from the importer inside:

"This brass model was not a Nickel Plate Products model... one of
the manufacturers had fabricated this model... due to certain errors
was not obtained from the original importer... The only two flaws
are as follows

1 - The trucks are too long for the arch bar types used on this era
box cars...
2 - The draft gear is a model of the real draft gear of this car..."

Actually, "flaw" #2 seems like a virtue to me!

The models are gorgeous, really. I wonder if this was an W&R import that
was rejected? They are numbered GN 25076 and GN 24913.

Whoever originally owned the model put bogus Central Valley trucks on
it, so I think your new arch bars may be just what the doctor ordered.
Andy, or Staffan, or anybody who knows the background on these NPP imports
of GN truss rod box cars, I'd really like to hear it. I'd especially like
to know the proper trucks to use on these 1920's-1930's era models.

Thanks

Tim O'Connor




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