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SOO single sheathed box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Have these cars been discussed here before? I have seen only one other
image of these cars, a late 1950's view of 75518. I really like them with
their wide doors and fishbelly underframes. Where did they come from, and
when were they rebuilt into this form?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Orig-Slide-SOO-LINE-40-Wood-Sheathed-Boxcar-75761-/360358184867

Tim O'Connor


Re: A few PFE questions.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dick Harley wrote:
I'd like to correct some info about the UP medallions and add some further comments.
According to the drawings I have, from 1922 (when medallions were first introduced on PFE cars) until 1946, the UP medallion used on refrigerator cars was drawn within a 45-inch diameter circle, which made it 41.781 inches tall (often referred to as 42") from tip to tip.
As Tony stated, the SP medallion was a 45-inch circle.
Dick is right about the UP medallion being drawn inside a circle. I'd forgotten that detail of the medallion layout.

Beginning in 1928, the medallions used on PFE reefers were vitreous enamel on metal, and in 1929 the car side color changed from a yellowish color to the familiar Daylight Orange color. So, the "System/Overland" UP medallion (and SP medallion too) on any orange car was almost surely a metal medallion. I have never seen a photo showing otherwise.
I am not as certain as Dick about this, because many, many older cars with yellow paint were repainted orange in the early 1930s, but my information does not indicate that metal medallions were applied to other than new or freshly rebuilt cars. There are not a great many photos that I've seen from 1929-1936, but I agree I've never seen a painted "System" medallion photo.

Since the replacement for the metal UP medallion up until 1942 was the painted-on "Union Pacific/Overland" medallion, I am wondering whether the "System/Overland" medallion would be appropriate for a 1941-era model - except as a rare piece.
Dick makes a good point here, that the "System" metal medallions were being removed in an apparently systematic fashion, and i hadn't thought of that aspect. I agree with him that such a medallion is not a good choice for the original questioner's fleet of three PFE cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


2 Rail O Scale train show and swap meet

Rich Yoder
 

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Greeting to all our friends and train show family.

We are having our First Swap meet and train show of this year.

If your friends don't get this please pass it along.

Saturday April 9th is only one day away!

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Located at 203 West Franklin street in Strasburg PA 17579

Doors open to the general public at 9:00 AM



Sincerely,

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7 Edgedale Court

Wyomissing PA 19610-1913

Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST

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RYM-Plateest 1999

IN GOD WE TRUST


Re: A few PFE questions.

Dick Harley
 

On Wed Apr 6, 2011 Isaac Herrera asked about PFE cars and paint schemes, and Tony Thompson posted a reply.

I'd like to correct some info about the UP medallions and add some further comments.

According to the drawings I have, from 1922 (when medallions were first introduced on PFE cars) until 1946, the UP medallion used on refrigerator cars was drawn within a 45-inch diameter circle, which made it 41.781 inches tall (often referred to as 42") from tip to tip. The drawings call for it to be 38-1/2 inches wide, both at the upper points and at the lower curves. That same shape was used for the "System/Overland", "Union Pacific/Overland" and plain "Union Pacific" medallions used on refrigerator cars up until 1946. I have computer drawn that shape full size, though not yet the "System/ Overland" lettering version.

As Tony stated, the SP medallion was a 45-inch circle.

Beginning in 1928, the medallions used on PFE reefers were vitreous enamel on metal, and in 1929 the car side color changed from a yellowish color to the familiar Daylight Orange color. So, the "System/Overland" UP medallion (and SP medallion too) on any orange car was almost surely a metal medallion. I have never seen a photo showing otherwise.

As Tony also stated, the UP medallion was changed on PFE cars in January 1936, by dropping the word "System". Apparently at about this same time, PFE decided to stop using metal medallions, since no "non-System" metal medallions were ever applied (though a drawing does exist). Additionally, according to the PFE book (page 113) and other photo evidence, PFE began removing the metal medallions in the latter 1930s, and the book states that most cars had the metal medallions replaced by the end of the 1930s.

Since the replacement for the metal UP medallion up until 1942 was the painted-on "Union Pacific/Overland" medallion, I am wondering whether the "System/Overland" medallion would be appropriate for a 1941-era model - except as a rare piece.

The SP (painted medallion) side of a July 1937 reconditioned R-30-13 is shown on page 97 of the PFE book.
The R-40-2 class received metal medallions (and had yellowish sides) when new in 1928.


Hope this helps,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: Georgia RR decals

Tim O'Connor
 

The photo scan came from Richard Hendrickson. Interestingly, Ted Culotta
chose this car number (19668) for one of his box car red models but lettered
it for 1948.

Tim O'Connor

I have diagrams for A&WP and WofA, but not for Georgia. So I only have
photos to go by. Another photo of a Georgia USRA rebuild just came from
Arnold Menke. This photo taken ca. 1940 shows GA 19623 with reweigh
date of 2-38 and painted aluminum/black. The reweigh date is probably
when the car was rebuilt. Too bad we didn't have this photo when RP CYC
Vol. 17 was published!

Thus it appears that both freight car brown and aluminum/black paint
schemes were applied to Georgia USRA steel rebuilds rebuilt cars in
1938.

Who is the photo source for your GA 19668?
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Fruit Growers Express FHIX 41241-41640 series reefers

Bill Welch
 

Jerry:

These were built by Pacific Car & Foundry beginning in January 1957. They had the so-called "Banana Tapper" major ribs with the top rib asymetrical in shape as it was striahg along the bottom.

These cars signal the end of the "ice age" within the FGE/WFE/BRE/NX system as they were the last ice bunkers cars ordered by FGE.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., asychis@... wrote:

Hi,

Can someone give me some information on the builder and construction dates
for Fruit Growers Express FHIX 41241-41640? Seems ART may have bought a
block of them.

Thanks!

Jerry Michels



Fruit Growers Express FHIX 41241-41640 series reefers

asychis@...
 

Hi,

Can someone give me some information on the builder and construction dates
for Fruit Growers Express FHIX 41241-41640? Seems ART may have bought a
block of them.

Thanks!

Jerry Michels


Re: Georgia RR decals

Ed Hawkins
 

On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Ed, I have a 1938 shot of GA 19668 (reweigh stencil 4-1938) and it
is most definitely a box car red car. When were the cars rebuilt?
Tim,
I have diagrams for A&WP and WofA, but not for Georgia. So I only have
photos to go by. Another photo of a Georgia USRA rebuild just came from
Arnold Menke. This photo taken ca. 1940 shows GA 19623 with reweigh
date of 2-38 and painted aluminum/black. The reweigh date is probably
when the car was rebuilt. Too bad we didn't have this photo when RP CYC
Vol. 17 was published!

Thus it appears that both freight car brown and aluminum/black paint
schemes were applied to Georgia USRA steel rebuilds rebuilt cars in
1938.

Who is the photo source for your GA 19668?
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Georgia Steel Rebuilds

Clark Propst
 

I built one of the kits Ted put out. His info is vague on dates, saying the cars were rebuilt in the 1930s in BCR paint followed by the silver/black scheme.

Photos provided have BCR cars with reweigh dates of: 12-49, 7-51 both taken in 52 by Col. Chet McCoid, one dated 9-66 by CL Goolsby.

One Will Whittaker 7-63 photo of a car with all silver sides and a silver sided car with black doors and black behind the ladder that just says "Circa 1953" Charles Winters photo.

Clark Propst


Re: Tk-G >Tk-J's was: speaking of SANTA FE

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 7 Apr 2011 at 15:52, tyesac@... wrote:


Jon,

More likely someday they'll be a resin kit that any other type of kit.
Even at that, the underframe would be a "challenege" to say the
least. Pecos River did these in brass a long time ago ('88?), but I
I remember Richard's review of these, there were a few minor issues
with them. Good luck find one for sale however, you'll have better
luck taking flying lessons from those Cincinatti fly'n pigs.

Tom Casey

Tom,
Have the review and off the top of my head I think
this was the only brass made in NZ (or was it AU). As
a plastic kit (or RTR) I should think it would sell more
that the IM caboose but then that's a guess.


Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Tk-G >Tk-J's was: speaking of SANTA FE

tyesac@...
 

Jon,

More likely someday they'll be a resin kit that any other type of kit. Even at that, the underframe would be a "challenege" to say the least. Pecos River did these in brass a long time ago ('88?), but I I remember Richard's review of these, there were a few minor issues with them. Good luck find one for sale however, you'll have better luck taking flying lessons from those Cincinatti fly'n pigs.

Tom Casey


Richard,
There are flying pigs in Cincinnati (concrete ones all over the river walk
areas). Crazy looking things! :)
Cincinnati was known for its pork production.
Jim

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From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 7:21:26 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] speaking of SANTA FE


On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

Is there any current comments on the possible
ATSF tank car?
Jon, if you're talking about the rumored plastic model of the Tk-G
through Tk-J class tank cars, I think the answer is - when pigs fly.

Richard Hendrickson



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From: James Babcock <babcockjames@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] speaking of SANTA FE




Richard,
There are flying pigs in Cincinnati (concrete ones all over the river walk
areas). Crazy looking things! :)
Cincinnati was known for its pork production.
Jim

________________________________
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 7:21:26 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] speaking of SANTA FE


On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

Is there any current comments on the possible
ATSF tank car?
Jon, if you're talking about the rumored plastic model of the Tk-G
through Tk-J class tank cars, I think the answer is - when pigs fly.

Richard Hendrickson

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Georgia Steel Rebuilds

Bill Welch
 

I have a photo of Georgia 19663 from Bob's with black ladders &
background, doors and ends w/a reweigh of 6-45

Also GA 29345, another rebuilt type with Murphy paneled roof, 5
panels to each side of the door, joined by four hat sections members,
2926 cubic ft. capacity, rebuilt 9-24 with this same paint scheme.
The paint job appears pretty fresh, reweigh 1-56. This is a McCoid
photo in Fayetteville, NC 2-22-59. I have not sorted out the origins
of this car, but I think it may be one of the Georgia Pratt trussed
cars built in an untypical way. Another example of this type rebuild
is GA 29448 which is all BCR. This is a Paul Dunn photo, circa 1965
from Rich Burg.

The following are all BCR
19583 reweighed 7-56 High Point NC 8-12-56 Lloyd Moore photo
18765 reweighed 10-67 Bill Raia collection "For Kyanit Loading Only"
19546 reweighed unclear Bob's/Col. McCoid 3-1-1959 Fayetteville, NC

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Maine Central/North Conway hopper. Was Baltimore and Ohio hopper cars...

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Ben...

The only car numbers visible were the Maine Central numbers. The B&O numbers were painted over in black paint and the MEC car number was applied over this black patch, so finding the B&O numbers were impossible.

I think I may have misled the group when I said I checked my files. Those "files" are really my slides. Sorry for the mix up.

Bowing my head in shame...

Steve Vallee


Re: Maine Central/North Conway hopper. Was Baltimore and Ohio hopper cars...

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Vallee wrote:
"I've gone through my files and here is what I found on the ex-B&O hoppers that
the Maine Central picked up. <<snip>>"

Steve, did you record any of the car numbers?  It would be of immense help to
trace these cars' lineage.


Ben Hom


GATX 25994 and Standard Tankcar Domes

SHAY STARK
 

I was looking at an article in the July 1988 Mainline Modeler written by Mark Feddersen about his kitbash of GATX 25994. I am interested in tackling the same project. After some comparison with a picture of an ACF built Cities Service single compartment tank car in Ted's Steam Era Reference Manual Volume 2, I noticed that the frames look similar. I am wondering if anyone has found any additional information about the GATX car that may verify that the frame was indeed an ACF built frame and if there are pictures of other cars with a similar frame that may aid in constructing an accurate model?

I am also looking at building a Conoco 8000 gal tank car built by Standard Tank Car in 1920. I have been able to find some great reference photos of other similar STC cars including the photos of the rebuild of a car at the Illinois Railroad Museum which has given me enough information to feel comfortable constructing the frame. What I am trying to verify is the dome size. At first I thought it was a 60" dome but when I scale out a side shot of an STC car it looks like it may be bigger than that.

Also I am wondering if the Charles Winters photo collection is available as I would like to get a clear copy of the CONX STC photo in Ted's to develop decals from?

Thanks

Shay Stark


Re: Georgia RR decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed, I have a 1938 shot of GA 19668 (reweigh stencil 4-1938) and it
is most definitely a box car red car. When were the cars rebuilt?

Tim O'Connor

Does anyone have a photo of a newly rebuilt GA USRA steel car, and if
so how was it painted?
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: speaking of SANTA FE

James Babcock
 

Richard,
There are flying pigs in Cincinnati (concrete ones all over the river walk
areas). Crazy looking things! :)
Cincinnati was known for its pork production.
Jim





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From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 7:21:26 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] speaking of SANTA FE

 
On Apr 6, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

Is there any current comments on the possible
ATSF tank car?
Jon, if you're talking about the rumored plastic model of the Tk-G
through Tk-J class tank cars, I think the answer is - when pigs fly.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: M-53 ends

rwitt_2000
 

Tim O'Connor wrote: Thanks Bob. Offline, I got this:

375160 is an M-15P, rebuilt from M-15k in 1955
375602 is an M-15PD converted from M-15NA, rebuilt from M-15k earlier
(?)

Sheesh! Classes, subclasses, and now sub-subclasses.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Tim,

I was trying to spare you all that, but it is why some of us love the
B&O.

The Class M-15NA which became the M-15PD are interesting cars because on
these the B&O expanded the original 6-ft door opening to 8-ft. If you
look closely at the photo you can see how they cut the original "rib"
widen the door opening and added a "rib" on the side next to the
enlarged door opening. A very funky look. These conversions began in the
mid-1950s about the time the cars received new underframes. Some of the
class designations are related to the cars being rated at 40-tons or
50-tons. The original fishbelly undeframes were rated at 40-tons and
after the new underframes were added some still had trucks with 40-ton
journals. Later they replaced the trucks with 50-ton journals and then
assigned a new class.

Later these cars became new B&O/C&O class B-1 and lasted well into the
1970s with 102 still operating according to the 1973 ORER. I must now
stop and take this to the other list ...

Bob Witt





Numbers 375160, 375602, 376035, all are some class of M-15 wagon-top
boxcars. Number 385839 is a M-53A.

Bob's Photos has at least one, 370577, an M-15K with a three-piece
end
and there is one in the Armitage Collection, 370038, M-15K with a
three-piece end. There are two G.W. Sisk photos in the Winters
Collection now owned by Louis Marre that are on loan to Jay Williams.
Ted Cullotta included one in his "Essential Freight Car" series, RMC
July 2005, #371015, a M-15K, from the Sirham Collectio and it has a
one-piece end.

Recall that the underframe replacement project happened very quickly
in
1955 with most cars being converted in that year. If you model before
that time one needs the fishbelly underframe version and if you model
after 1955 one needs cars with the new AAR underframe. Both the
Sunshine
and the F&C models are of the M-15K with fishbelly underframes.

Bob Witt


Maine Central/North Conway hopper. Was Baltimore and Ohio hopper cars...

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...

I've gone through my files and here is what I found on the ex-B&O hoppers that the Maine Central picked up. Almost all had heavily rusted sides:

CAR # Location Date

MEC #3728................Deerfield, Mass...................11-23-85

MEC #3754................Deerfield, Mass...................11-23-85

MEC #3782................Deerfield, Mass...................11-23-85

MEC #3783...............S. Portland, Maine..................4-9-89

MEC #3785...............S. Portland, Maine..................4-9-89

MEC #3789................Deerfield, Mass..................October 84

MEC #3798 (*)...........S. Portland, Maine..................4-9-89

MEC #3826 (*)...........S. Portland, Maine..................4-9-89

MEC #3833................Deerfield, Mass....................5-12-84

MEC #3840...............S. Portland, Maine..................4-9-89

MEC #3841................Deerfield, Mass....................3-5-88

MEC #3860 (*)............Deerfield, Mass....................4-10-87

MEC #3882..............Hoosic Tunnel, Mass.................10-27-84

MEC #3892 (*)........North Conway, New Hampshire.........October 1984

Numbers with (*) denote cars with trace B&O lettering showing through the V-E-R-Y rusty sides.

These cars had a very short life span (five years) on the MEC before they were off the roster.

MEC #3892 first showed up on the Conway Scenic Railroad in 1984, still in the MEC patch paint scheme with B&O showing through.

By 9-19-87, this car was repainted all black, with only B&O #829839 and reporting marks under the car number. And by 9-15-90, the car was giver the Baltimore and Ohio lettering on its sides, along with the oval herald.

If anyone out there knows what happened to those MEC/B&O hoppers, I'd love to know.

Hope this report helps.

Steve Vallee


Re: LV decals

ronald parisi
 

Dear John:

I am interested in purchasing the two sets of dry transfers.

Ron Parisi
4313 Valley View Road
Harrisburg PA 17112

Please let me know payment (check or paypal....) and your info

Thanks

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:46 PM, George R. Stilwell, Jr. <GRSJr@...>wrote:



Gents:

I have 2 sets of CDS Dry Transfers for LV 2-bay hoppers. They're O-scale.
I'd be willing to part with them for $4 ea. + mailing expense.

George Stilwell


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